purelunasea80, on 15 May 2011 - 06:37 PM, said:
am i the only one who thinks as rome burns sounds a whole lot closer to some more lunkheaded, lumberingly heavy zeitgeist shit than anything akin to "classic pumpkins"? see this is what drives me batty. so many people here--again, younger ones, i believe, mostly--want so badly to draw these parallels between the new and the old in defense of the new, things like "'as rome burns' kicks ass like 'bodies' did!" (no, it doesn't. IT ISN'T AS WELL-WRITTEN A SONG.) or 'owata' and 'that's the way' are great, sunny pop songs a la '1979' and 'today'!" (see above)...shit, when i first hears "mint car" by the cure, i wanted it to be "inbetween days" or "just like heaven" too...but it wasn't. no matter how much i like a band, i gotta be honest about everything they do.
and no matter how much some people simply want the pumpkins to "get back to their roots and rock the fuck out again" (which i have problems with anyway, because if you are a true SP fan, you don't consider their default setting to be "rawk", nor do you really even think they HAVE one default), a simple, dark guitar riff played with distortion and billy snarling a bit isn't a proper analogue to anything along the lines of "quiet", "fuck you", "TEG", "marquis", "lucky 13", "zero", or any of the other goth-metal barnburners they cranked out before 2000...because those songs weren't just about volume, attitude and aggression. they were great SONGS. which is the hallmark of SP, the fact that billy corgan is, IMO, the best songwriter of the past 20 years. that's what makes them better. SONGS. and "as rome burns" is not a good SONG. it's a riff that thrills for about 10 seconds.
unless, of course, you're a 16 year old kid from kansas with john cena posters on his wall. in that case, "as rome burns" is amazing...but then again, you probably also think godsmack, theory of a deadman and seether are awesome, too.
For the love of god don't go into the "well written" or "complexities" of pumpkins music. You're wrong, terrible wrong, and you should go back to your corner. Pumpkins songs are great songs to listen to, they are atmospheric, heavy, dark, bright, and everything in between, but they are not necessarily well written. Look at the structure of a song like Bodies, you think oh that's a heavy rocker from Mellon Collie, but I'm going to offer you a different perspective. It's called 16th notes...over...and over...and over...and over...and you get the message. Look at the bass lines of 90 percent of pumpkins music, guess what you're gonna see. Is it the root note of every chord? By golly I think it is. Is that something any band can do? Yes. Is it well written? About as well written as power chords over and over and over and over and over can be. I love pumpkins music, I really do, but when you take a step back and examine it you'll see that it is VERY repetitive. Then again the truth can be said of a lot of music out there, but don't say he's the greatest song writer of the past 20 years, that's just being silly.