James Iha songs under SP name How much influence was from James?
Posted 05 May 2012 - 01:55 PM
I am a huge SP fan, but will not claim to understand the recording process or who does what or all the facts that a lot of you know on this board. All I know is that I love the music.
The question I have is how much influence do you think Billy had on the songs that would be known as the James songs (Blew Away, Take Me Down, Said Sadly, The Boy, Go.....etc)? Did Billy write the music to these songs, the lyrics, or does James take most of the credit for these?
Posted 05 May 2012 - 02:24 PM
Posted 06 May 2012 - 11:26 AM
i couldn't disagree more. i don't think billy had any input whatsoever on any of james' songs. that he might have had an INFLUENCE is something altogether different, and something i don't doubt. i am sure james wrote certain songs couched in a way where the atmosphere and arrangement made them feel more widescreen and more suitable for a band setting, especially a SP setting, whereas others he kept simple and approached them in his more singer-songwriter convention. occasionally one of these more typical solo-y sounding james things would make it to a SP release (like "said sadly" and "summer"), but mostly the ambient, vaguely shoegazey/dreamy iha songs were the ones to become pumpkins songs ("blew away", "take me down", "go", "the boy", "believe"). but i do not believe billy had any actual hands-on input on the result of james iha songs...plus, isn't it documented that james recorded most of his stuff by himself, in a separate place?
Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:16 PM
James did record a lot of material in his own studio or sometimes someone elses but not all of them. Go was recorded in the same studio as part of the Machina sessions. The same goes with The Boy, Take Me Down and Summer with their respective eras. Up until late '92 Billy said himself that Blew Away was the first song he didn't "stick his nose" in whatsoever, it doesn't mean it was the only song that he didn't. You can hear The Boy being toyed around with in the 666 video. Unless a direct statement is given then we will never know. We can only assume!
Posted 06 May 2012 - 06:47 PM
"blew away has kerry playing drums cause jimmy was on vacation."
Also, during those message board interviews Flood did a while ago, he claimed that while James did a lot of the work on the songs, the band was still very much involved with James's songs. Also, wasn't it confirmed at some point or another that "Summer" was a Let It Come Down song reworked for SP?
Never understood the love for "The Boy," one of the most cringe-worthy SP songs in my opinion.
Posted 07 May 2012 - 04:37 PM
I happen to agree, though this is all opinion. I'm sure that Billy did "stick his nose" in James' songs at least to a small extent, but they are definitely James, exactly as Billy puts it. They just don't sound like Billy songs.