[bmaromars95]

There's a 7 count in this song! Fucking cool as shit. Anyone have any idea what I'm talking shout?

[Ruby Ring]

No idea, but it instantly was my favorite song. That groove is just incredible.

[Inertia]

Some music theory I'm guessing. I'm learning it myself, but haven't gotten to there yet.

[bmaromars95]

Every song has a time signature. Its how you break up a song. Typically divided in a 4 count..Every fucking song on the radio is a 4 count. 7 is very uncommon.

[Deleted User Account]

Where? He halves the second and fourth measure of the chorus. The song is mostly in 4/4. It's not a super uncommon thing to do- Lennon would drop beats all the time.

[awsmsc]

Is it the whole song? I ask because of the song's bridge being so out of left field and trippy.

[samuelmills]

interesting points, but i hate to say it is my least favorite song on the album. maybe that will change one day.

[bmaromars95]

ArticulateEric, on 12 June 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Where? He halves the second and fourth measure of the chorus. The song is mostly in 4/4. It's not a super uncommon thing to do- Lennon would drop beats all the time.

La la la la la part

[indisposed]

I see. I would count it faster. 1,2,3,4 - 1,2 - 1,2,3,4

[Matteo]

samuelmills, on 15 June 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

interesting points, but i hate to say it is my least favorite song on the album. maybe that will change one day.

:thumbsup:/>

it's baffling that this song made nicole cry.

almost cry, rather.

[indisposed]

Crosspost from the Oceania thread:

Lonely Is The Name should have been on Oceania in place of Glissandra. Both songs occupy a similar space musically, but Glissandra is out of its element on the record.

Most of the songs on Oceania show musical progression and development. Panopticon, The Celestials, Violet, My Love Is Winter, Pinwheels, Oceania, Inkless and Wildflower; more than half the record, and not coincidentally, the best songs on an otherwise still great album. Even the mantric Pale Horse builds towards a cathartic and heartbreaking coda of "please come back, pale horse"; affecting both melodically and lyrically. Glissandra's lack of development is strange in context of the album. Once you've heard the opening minute, with the exception of a small instrumental bridge, you've heard the entire song. Is that minute super cool? Abso-f'ing-lutely. But as a four minute song, is it worthy of the album's other high points?

Even with Lonely's limited melody (though no more limited than Gliss), it builds and progresses, with Billy's vocals jumping an octave around the midpoint and Jeff's new lead guitar line during the last chorus increasing the song’s sense of urgency. The way the band then dive's back into the verse, and further end on a drum-less chorus, is beautiful. In other words, there is a classic Corgan structural ebb and flow in Lonely Is The Name.

Make no mistake, I quite like Glissandra, but I feel its inclusion on Oceania came down to the band's love of the idea rather than the song. More than anything, I can’t help but feel Glissandra belongs as the live "bside" while Lonely deserves its rightful place on Billy's "comeback" album.

I know that Gliss is considered 'the shoegaze' song, and perhaps its repetition is felt to be intrinsically a part of that, but Billy himself has been instrumental in progressing shoegaze; a shoegaze song like Mayonaise takes MBV's often static, droning anthems and interjects stronger loud/quiet dynamics, guitar solos, and again, harmonic progression (think of him changing the chords in the last "chorus" towards the end). Billy's shoegaze is really Billy's shoegaze. Lonely Is The Name is a perfect example; droning, swirling and yet structurally progressive and developed. Glissandra's lack of progression, then, is mostly anomalous on a record rife with it. This tells me the song probably needed an extra month cooking in Billy's brain and on the band's fingertips, but because the song's initial idea is so compelling, it was allowed to skate by.

tl;dr Glissandra is great but underdeveloped.

[bmaromars95]

indisposed, on 26 June 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

I see. I would count it faster. 1,2,3,4 - 1,2 - 1,2,3,4

Doesn't work in 4. But the rest of the song does.

From the first 5 la la la la la. To the next 5 la la la la la there are 14 clicks on Miley 's symbol. Slow that down to the tempo of the song and you have a 7 count.

And when I say la la la la la I'm also referring to "magic" plumes my soul(7 count) " pyramids for sale(7count) " "Full moons on the rail(7count) " "pipers play for dawn (7 count then they let the notes ring out for a 4 count).

Next time it kicks in is la la la la la. After the really pretty trippy bridge part with the synth. He does 5 la la la la la's over a 7 count and also a few more lines with lyrics that I don't feel like typing out.

The song is so much more tricky than people realize. And it's catchy as fuck. But I understand all the hate. It's very poppy.


Anyone understand what the fuck I'm talking about?

indisposed, on 26 June 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Crosspost from the Oceania thread:

Lonely Is The Name should have been on Oceania in place of Glissandra. Both songs occupy a similar space musically, but Glissandra is out of its element on the record.

Most of the songs on Oceania show musical progression and development. Panopticon, The Celestials, Violet, My Love Is Winter, Pinwheels, Oceania, Inkless and Wildflower; more than half the record, and not coincidentally, the best songs on an otherwise still great album. Even the mantric Pale Horse builds towards a cathartic and heartbreaking coda of "please come back, pale horse"; affecting both melodically and lyrically. Glissandra's lack of development is strange in context of the album. Once you've heard the opening minute, with the exception of a small instrumental bridge, you've heard the entire song. Is that minute super cool? Abso-f'ing-lutely. But as a four minute song, is it worthy of the album's other high points?

Even with Lonely's limited melody (though no more limited than Gliss), it builds and progresses, with Billy's vocals jumping an octave around the midpoint and Jeff's new lead guitar line during the last chorus increasing the song’s sense of urgency. The way the band then dive's back into the verse, and further end on a drum-less chorus, is beautiful. In other words, there is a classic Corgan structural ebb and flow in Lonely Is The Name.

Make no mistake, I quite like Glissandra, but I feel its inclusion on Oceania came down to the band's love of the idea rather than the song. More than anything, I can’t help but feel Glissandra belongs as the live "bside" while Lonely deserves its rightful place on Billy's "comeback" album.

I know that Gliss is considered 'the shoegaze' song, and perhaps its repetition is felt to be intrinsically a part of that, but Billy himself has been instrumental in progressing shoegaze; a shoegaze song like Mayonaise takes MBV's often static, droning anthems and interjects stronger loud/quiet dynamics, guitar solos, and again, harmonic progression (think of him changing the chords in the last "chorus" towards the end). Billy's shoegaze is really Billy's shoegaze. Lonely Is The Name is a perfect example; droning, swirling and yet structurally progressive and developed. Glissandra's lack of progression, then, is mostly anomalous on a record rife with it. This tells me the song probably needed an extra month cooking in Billy's brain and on the band's fingertips, but because the song's initial idea is so compelling, it was allowed to skate by.

tl;dr Glissandra is great but underdeveloped.

Underdeveloped my ass! (please see my previous opost from 5 mins ago) There are no other official pumpkns songs in a 7 count.

I completely respect that persons opinion, but..

I fucking love lonely is the name (and you have no idea how many times I have played the live version form one of the Australia shows) but it shouldn't replace any song.

Shoulda been a 14 song album if this person is gonna go down the coulda woulda shoulda road

[indisposed]

bmaromars95, on 26 June 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Doesn't work in 4. But the rest of the song does.

From the first 5 la la la la la. To the next 5 la la la la la there are 14 clicks on Miley 's symbol. Slow that down to the tempo of the song and you have a 7 count.

And when I say la la la la la I'm also referring to "magic" plumes my soul(7 count) " pyramids for sale(7count) " "Full moons on the rail(7count) " "pipers play for dawn (7 count then they let the notes ring out for a 4 count).

Next time it kicks in is la la la la la. After the really pretty trippy bridge part with the synth. He does 5 la la la la la's over a 7 count and also a few more lines with lyrics that I don't feel like typing out.

The song is so much more tricky than people realize. And it's catchy as fuck. But I understand all the hate. It's very poppy.


Anyone understand what the fuck I'm talking about?



Underdeveloped my ass! (please see my previous opost from 5 mins ago) There are no other official pumpkns songs in a 7 count.

I completely respect that persons opinion, but..

I fucking love lonely is the name (and you have no idea how many times I have played the live version form one of the Australia shows) but it shouldn't replace any song.

Shoulda been a 14 song album if this person is gonna go down the coulda woulda shoulda road

Cutting beats and measures isn't tantamount to developed songwriting. To clarify my point about Glissandra being underdeveloped-- after you've heard the first minute or so, excluding a little bridge and one 'turn around', you've heard the entirety of the song. Everything after the initial verse/chorus could have been affectively copy and pasted from that very first minute.

Compare that with Inkless' progression.

re: measures. I get it. It's not that crazy, he's just dropping a beat from one of the measures. Don't get me wrong, it's cool, but go listen to All You Need Is Love.

To explain my earlier example: "I've been (1,2,3,4) hungry (1,2,3,4)" you can count to eight once. In that way, it goes 1,2,3,4 - 1,2 - 1,2,3,4 - 1,2,3,4 where every 2 counts is a beat. That's what I was explaining earlier. You're describing the same thing, but it hardly seems like some progressive choice, he's just chopping a beat. It sounds rather organic actually, Lennon style.

[bmaromars95]

indisposed, on 26 June 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

Cutting beats and measures isn't tantamount to developed songwriting. To clarify my point about Glissandra being underdeveloped-- after you've heard the first minute or so, excluding a little bridge and one 'turn around', you've heard the entirety of the song. Everything after the initial verse/chorus could have been affectively copy and pasted from that very first minute.

Compare that with Inkless' progression.

re: measures. I get it. It's not that crazy, he's just dropping a beat from one of the measures. Don't get me wrong, it's cool, but go listen to All You Need Is Love.

To explain my earlier example: "I've been (1,2,3,4) hungry (1,2,3,4)" you can count to eight once. In that way, it goes 1,2,3,4 - 1,2 - 1,2,3,4 - 1,2,3,4 where every 2 counts is a beat. That's what I was explaining earlier. You're describing the same thing, but it hardly seems like some progressive choice, he's just chopping a beat. It sounds rather organic actually, Lennon style.

All valid points

[Fernando]

There are something shared by Chimera, Glissandra and Inkles to me, but I think Inkless is my least favorite from those ones, and Glissandra is my favorite....

[whyisnohere?]

indisposed, on 26 June 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Crosspost from the Oceania thread:

Lonely Is The Name should have been on Oceania in place of Glissandra. Both songs occupy a similar space musically, but Glissandra is out of its element on the record.

Most of the songs on Oceania show musical progression and development. Panopticon, The Celestials, Violet, My Love Is Winter, Pinwheels, Oceania, Inkless and Wildflower; more than half the record, and not coincidentally, the best songs on an otherwise still great album. Even the mantric Pale Horse builds towards a cathartic and heartbreaking coda of "please come back, pale horse"; affecting both melodically and lyrically. Glissandra's lack of development is strange in context of the album. Once you've heard the opening minute, with the exception of a small instrumental bridge, you've heard the entire song. Is that minute super cool? Abso-f'ing-lutely. But as a four minute song, is it worthy of the album's other high points?

Even with Lonely's limited melody (though no more limited than Gliss), it builds and progresses, with Billy's vocals jumping an octave around the midpoint and Jeff's new lead guitar line during the last chorus increasing the song’s sense of urgency. The way the band then dive's back into the verse, and further end on a drum-less chorus, is beautiful. In other words, there is a classic Corgan structural ebb and flow in Lonely Is The Name.

Make no mistake, I quite like Glissandra, but I feel its inclusion on Oceania came down to the band's love of the idea rather than the song. More than anything, I can’t help but feel Glissandra belongs as the live "bside" while Lonely deserves its rightful place on Billy's "comeback" album.

I know that Gliss is considered 'the shoegaze' song, and perhaps its repetition is felt to be intrinsically a part of that, but Billy himself has been instrumental in progressing shoegaze; a shoegaze song like Mayonaise takes MBV's often static, droning anthems and interjects stronger loud/quiet dynamics, guitar solos, and again, harmonic progression (think of him changing the chords in the last "chorus" towards the end). Billy's shoegaze is really Billy's shoegaze. Lonely Is The Name is a perfect example; droning, swirling and yet structurally progressive and developed. Glissandra's lack of progression, then, is mostly anomalous on a record rife with it. This tells me the song probably needed an extra month cooking in Billy's brain and on the band's fingertips, but because the song's initial idea is so compelling, it was allowed to skate by.

tl;dr Glissandra is great but underdeveloped.

mayonaise isn't a shoegaze song...and i will reassert that the smashing pumpkins have never released a shoegaze song. do some of their songs have elements of the genre? sure. just like they have elements of a lot of othr rock subgenres, and yet i would also argue that the smashing pumpkins have never released a true heavy metal song, nor a true prog-rock song, nor a true power-pop song.

[indisposed]

I've been thinking. Widow Wake My Mind is as good of a song as Glissandra. Now, you may prefer one over the other, but in construction, they're very very similar-- Widow may even have the one up. However. I would say I prefer Glissandra because I like the parts more, but objectively, just in terms of structure and how the song is constructed, they're very much cut from the same cloth. In that way, Glissandra is probably the most TGBK song alongside Pale Horse to come from Oceania!

[Human Sauce]

Matteo, on 26 June 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

it's baffling that this song made nicole cry.

almost cry, rather.

Pretty sure Billy said she almost cried when he played her an early acoustic version.

[CelestialBeing]

I couldn't stop smiling when I first heard Glissandra (it sounds like a MBV song off Loveless/Glidder) still a great song on it's own. After iread the lyrics while listening to the song ( I must admit I was blown away) great lyrics!! On Glissandra Billy. I love it. Inkless reminded me of Medicine/Slowdive.

[louguzzo]

whyisnohere?, on 28 June 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

mayonaise isn't a shoegaze song...and i will reassert that the smashing pumpkins have never released a shoegaze song. do some of their songs have elements of the genre? sure. just like they have elements of a lot of othr rock subgenres, and yet i would also argue that the smashing pumpkins have never released a true heavy metal song, nor a true prog-rock song, nor a true power-pop song.

Why Am I So Tired?
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That's The Way (My Love Is)

[marigold]

one of my top 3 favourites from Oceania - and it's the song that gets stuck in my head the most.

[BigDaddyRabbit]

This is my favorite song on the album so far. Has anyone figured out the bass yet? It is stuck in my head bigtime, gotta figure it out!

[BigDaddyRabbit]

BigDaddyRabbit, on 19 July 2012 - 06:12 AM, said:

This is my favorite song on the album so far. Has anyone figured out the bass yet? It is stuck in my head bigtime, gotta figure it out!

Wow! Look at what I found! Automatically gives chords for any song!

http://chords.fm/onl...6461476c1590f08

Has an embed code too, let's see what that does...

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[werideatdusk]

lonely is the name is pretty good but the melody is not very memorable, and the vibe/emotions are well-represented in other parts of Oceania.

I agree that Glissandra is one of the weaker points on the album, but it does reach out and grab you in the first five seconds in a way that none of the others do, and that does matter a lot in the itunes era.

[xaiverriker]

I <3/> Glissandra. Might be my favorite off the album. Some of the best lyrics he's written IMO. This song needs a lot more love on this board!!

[soonergiant65]

Nope! Just so annoying when he gives up writing lyrics and instead writes "La La La La La".

[dreams of glass]

Does anyone else think the line

pipers play for dawn

is referencing Pink Floyd- The Piper at the Gates of Dawn?

seems obvious to me, maybe it's a coincidence

This post has been edited by dreams of glass: 31 August 2012 - 08:30 PM

[CandyCaneBonfire]

The lead guitar line sounds too typical for a Pumpkins lead. It doesn't really sound or do anything interesting and they repeat it over the entire song almost.

[Ruby Ring]

Glissandra is easily the best song on the record. My thoughts on that haven't changed since the first time I heard it.

[PopcornSmiley]

Great beat on Glissandra. Very cool lead line. One of my favorites from the record.