[MonteLDS]

one of the best interviews on the subject for those who say Teargarden is dead.

http://www.crestfall...garden-project/

[JSapp]

Nice!

[Simon]

MonteLDS, on 24 May 2012 - 06:50 AM, said:

one of the best interviews on the subject for those who say Teargarden is dead.

http://www.crestfall...garden-project/

Thanks for posting that. Gotta love Google Translate!

[Sophie]

"hay canciones de ‘Oceania’ que te llevan de vuelta al principio de ‘Teargarden’. No se lanzaron pero las escribí, ¿entiendes? Hay una especie de ruta circular en este trabajo que conecta todo ‘Teargarden’. "

"There are songs from 'Oceania' that bring you back to the begining of 'Teargarden'. They won't be released but I wrote them, do you see what I mean? There's some kind of circular road in this work that links the different parts of Teargarden."

Let's try to figure out why?
- Lyrics do not fit in the Oceania "isolation" theme?
- Too many disceprancies in the guitar parts?
- Although those are bonds between songs from different eras, they are of lower quality?
etc.

[BitterRootOfSelf]

Can someone please post the entire translated interview? Thanks

[ShamanO]

I like this...it's an in your face to those who kept on saying Teargarden is dead :thumbsup:/>

Sophie, on 24 May 2012 - 07:06 AM, said:

"hay canciones de ‘Oceania’ que te llevan de vuelta al principio de ‘Teargarden’. No se lanzaron pero las escribí, ¿entiendes? Hay una especie de ruta circular en este trabajo que conecta todo ‘Teargarden’. "

"There are songs from 'Oceania' that bring you back to the begining of 'Teargarden'. They won't be released but I wrote them, do you see what I mean? There's some kind of circular road in this work that links the different parts of Teargarden."

Let's try to figure out why?
- Lyrics do not fit in the Oceania "isolation" theme?
- Too many disceprancies in the guitar parts?
- Although those are bonds between songs from different eras, they are of lower quality?
etc.

so we can assume those are some of the Spirits in the Sky songs? :(/> not releasing those is a depressing thought.

This post has been edited by ShamanO: 24 May 2012 - 08:41 AM

[themadcaplaughs]

I've never argued that Teargarden by Kaleidyscope was dead in whatever thematic sense Billy had in mind, but this is from the official press release for Oceania back in 2009...

Quote

My desire is to release a song at a time beginning around Halloween of this year, with each new release coming shortly after until all 44 are out. Each song will be made available absolutely for free, to anyone anywhere. There will be no strings attached. Free will mean free, which means you won't have to sign up for anything, give an email address, or jump through a hoop. You will be able to go and take the song or songs as you wish, as many times as you wish.

This aspect of the project is dead...no way to argue it. I'm not saying this is a bad thing; I for one am very happy to see Billy returning to the format with which he thrives, but it's just facts.

I am, however, very happy an interviewer asked him about it and that he gave a clear answer.

[ShamanO]

he changed his mind...it's pretty simple, but TbK lives on!

and by him suggesting the method of release back then does not mean that is what TbK is/was...it's a journey, not a specific method of release.

This post has been edited by ShamanO: 24 May 2012 - 09:05 AM

[Human Sauce]

Good to hear he plans on finishing it. It would be cool if they released 8-10 songs individually online and then finish it up with a 11-13 song album.

[ShamanO]

I don't think I would want to see 8-10 songs online individually again. I'd rather have some structure to it. he can close it with a double album

[Deleted User Account]

lol

[soVerysadAboutyou]

ShamanO, on 24 May 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

so we can assume those are some of the Spirits in the Sky songs? :(/> not releasing those is a depressing thought.

i think we all figured it wasn't likely they'd be released.

[Fernando]

What he is saying is that TbK project lives on Oceania. Like, Oceania only exists because of the time he was spending on TBK and it was born that way... However, he seems uncertain about future releases.

[MoonPI]

<3/>

[ShamanO]

soVerysadAboutyou, on 24 May 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

i think we all figured it wasn't likely they'd be released.

well I sure hope he releases them separately away from TbK/Oceania

I love those songs and him restricting their release is cruel

[pastup]

I don't think Billy ever knew how this would all unfold until he got into it. He was always careful to say "this is what I have in mind" or what I desire but he didn't know exactly how it would all end up working out. It's a work in progress. Good to know that he plans on seeing the whole Teargarden project through even if the details of his initial idea have changed.

[Sophie]

BitterRootOfSelf, on 24 May 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

Can someone please post the entire translated interview? Thanks

I guess I could try to translate it from my broken Spanish to my broken English but I'm not sure what the result will be... :unsure:/>
I'll see what I can do but I guess SP fans whose mothertongue is Spanish and who are not in Madrid tonight would be better at achieving this job than I am.

[ShamanO]

just post it in google translate kids

[Sophie]

ShamanO, on 24 May 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

just post it in google translate kids

Google translate is ok to have a quick idea of what's going on but it often gives you unintelligible texts.

[ShamanO]

understandable, but you can't be that ignorant to not understand what is being said

[Claude]

He should either record each EP (4 songs at the same time), THEN release the songs individually so we don't run into those 4 month delays again or just release the 11 EPs individually. Oh and I recommend a new producer.

[ShamanO]

huh? there isn't going to be any 11 EP's 2 have been done and now Oceania album...no way that adds up to 11 EP's UNLESS....dun dun dun dun...he makes more music and has 9 EP's to put out plus Oceania album inside the album :wacko:/>

[Claude]

ShamanO, on 24 May 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

huh? there isn't going to be any 11 EP's 2 have been done and now Oceania album...no way that adds up to 11 EP's UNLESS....dun dun dun dun...he makes more music and has 9 EP's to put out plus Oceania album inside the album :wacko:/>

Yes there is 9 more to go, that is what I meant.

[ShamanO]

yeah uh who knows what he will do...probably not that

[Claude]

ShamanO, on 24 May 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

yeah uh who knows what he will do...probably not that

I don't think so either. I still think the project's dead.

[ShamanO]

even after his confirmation?

:shrug:/> that's on him I suppose

[SpiritPeople]

MonteLDS, on 24 May 2012 - 06:50 AM, said:

one of the best interviews on the subject for those who say Teargarden is dead.

http://www.crestfall...garden-project/

After the next album we will come to the same question, again.

[ShamanO]

key words: next album

[Rocket_Baby_Dolls]

TBK or no TBK. Free or not. Individual songs or another album... I just want to hear more SP damnit!

[frednirv632]

Rocket_Baby_Dolls, on 24 May 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

TBK or no TBK. Free or not. Individual songs or another album... I just want to hear more SP damnit!

:cheers:/>

[kylekasino]

I'll believe the 44 song project is still happening when I see a massive list of Billy numbering the tracks, and not a minute sooner. This article didn't really change or confirm much for me. Does Cottonwood Symphony count? What's happening with Owata/Lightning Strikes? What track are we officially on now after the end of Oceania?

Until then, Teargarden as a concept is dead to me. I understand the "journey" is still continuing, but there is no end game, which just puts it up in the air as fluff, and nothing more. It doesn't mean anything, there is no current context, direction, method, or goal. Without any clarity, it simply comes off as empty hypocrisy, Billy trying to keep his word to the fans who care. Thankfully I don't. If he ends up totalling to 44 under the banner, great, it could potentially be interesting to look at the various releases with a grand overview, but if we just get another SP album after this, with no real connection or frame of reference to Teargarden, that's even better.

It will really end up being only one more album anyways so the difference will be minimal at best, so long as we keep getting new music he can frame it however he wants.

[Sophie]

OK so here is the beginning of the interview translated from Spanish to English.
It's half past 1 AM around here so go easy on my translation skills, and feel free to correct the sentences.
My eyes are closing now so I'll finish the translation tomorrow.
Goodnight Pumpkinheads. :sleeping:/>

Zeitgeist, your latest album, was heavier than other SP albums, how would you describe Oceania?
It’s a mix of all SP styles. It’s not heavy but not as smooth as Adore, it’s something in between. There are strong moments, lovely moments, but nothing as aggressive as Zeitgeist.

We have seen videos of songs from Oceania uploaded on youtube. Is the sound of the tracks on the record close to what we have heard live?
I don’t know, it’s probably me but it’s hard to explain, in the album there is more beauty than what you can hear during live shows because on stage everything has to be simpler. Things like delays, a third or fourth guitar… Even if you could bring all those things on stage, people would miss a major part of the details anyway. When you play live, you try to perform a simpler version of the songs, sometimes it’s a good thing, sometimes it is not...

In early stages the album was supposed to be released last september right ?
Yes. The thing is that we had finished it and we had planned to release it immediatly after that but people we have been talking to about it told us that it was good enough to be released the way we had released previous material. So we set up more reunions, talked with more people and all of a sudden the interest for this album started to grow in the music business. We had to slow down things a little to take the good decisions because for the past 5 to 6 years it had been very difficult for us to know what path we had to take in the music world. For the first time in a long time the success this music encountered helped us taking the right decisions.

Did all of those things changed the concept of Oceania as being an album within an album in the TbK project?
I still consider it as part of Teargarden. It is still important to me given that we are still running the project, but I think that Oceania would not have happened if I hadn’t done all that I have done for TbK. To me it’s like an evolution which helped me to come back to a state of mind where I want to make records and I am as exited as I was when I was in my 20s. It was time for me to find a truly natural and organic « mood ?» which allows me to write music again and not the stupid things you usually encounter in the recording industry

[ShamanO]

I'll just wait for the music...if artsy stuff comes with it...cool

[soonergiant65]

Well, all this proves is that Smashing Pumpkins fans have no idea what they're talking about. I would imagine that I've seen at least 20 people on this website that have been saying Teargarden is just a bad memory. Very few SP fans have any patience, but I would imagine a lot of them are from this current generation of "entitled" kids.

[Deleted User Account]

soonergiant65, on 24 May 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Well, all this proves is that Smashing Pumpkins fans have no idea what they're talking about. I would imagine that I've seen at least 20 people on this website that have been saying Teargarden is just a bad memory. Very few SP fans have any patience, but I would imagine a lot of them are from this current generation of "entitled" kids.

...what

[soonergiant65]

Are you saying "what"? Or are you asking "what"?

Someone liked your "what", and they don't even know if it was a question or a comment.

[Deleted User Account]

soonergiant65, on 24 May 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

Are you saying "what"? Or are you asking "what"?

Someone liked your "what", and they don't even know if it was a question or a comment.

Yes.

[soonergiant65]

:shiftyeyes:/>

[nasalscarecrow]

I'm fine with Oceania being part of TbK. The only thing I don't like is the idea that the eventual 44 songs will include incomplete, demo sounding songs like Astral Planes and refined epics like Oceania. They don't fit together to me.

[Sophie]

I've done my homework tonight. Here is another part of the interview. The end of it is about Gish and SD reissues, I'll try to finish to translate it tomorrow.
I guess my Spanish and English levels have not improved during the night so once again feel free to correct me. I just hope this will help some of you.
(By the way I've realised that the first sentence I translated in this very thread was not correct -wrong tense future/preterit-).

[...]
What are the links between this LP and the other EPs that fit in ‘Teargarden by Kaleidyscope’?
Well instead of making songs one after the other and releasing them within different EPs we decided to do this with an album. Back in the days when the EPs story started I had several other ideas concerning the way we could reach the fanbase. Some of them worked and some of them were not even carried out! I don’t think SP fans were following the project in a realistic way so the idea to release a traditional record came back to my mind as an attempt to make people listen to our music in a fresh manner because the way we used to release our music made people quickly forget about it. A record gives the whole project a more official package whereas an EP is more like « oh it’s a single » or « four songs ». Records give you more credit and respect. And to compare my music with someone who has never had a single hit or who has just released his first record and benefits from some fame, which is not real, is just another attempt to get some attention. I know how to make music, I’ve made pop music but when you try to create good psychedelic music or rock what you need is more than five seconds and in the current musical culture the way to gain people’s attention is to confront them with a record. For instance if I release a song on its own instead of on a record people will look at it a different way, but it is the same song in the end ! I still have to find out new ways to make poeple listen to my music and it is not as simple as just making good or bad music because there is good music that no one ever listens to.

More than just containing more tracks, a record is a completely different concept than an EP right?
Yes I do think so. I think that it is something conveying deeper feelings.

So Teargarden project will be carried out the way it used to be?
Yes, I’ve got plenty of songs that haven’t been released, something like thirty or fourty songs, and I could release the unfinished ones as demos but I don’t know yet, we’ll see. Let’s make things progressively.

Such a large project reminds me of the project intiated by another artist from Chicago Sufjan Stevens who claimed that he would make a record for each state of the US but who in the end he went back on his word. Are you afraid of getting bored before ending Teargarden project?
No, not at all. Because the reason why I wanted to achieve this project is because… Well, imagine that TbK is done, if you talk about it with someone you could tell him « Look I’ve started here and ended up there, and if you follow this path you’ll be able you see that something happened between there and there. » This is what I want: to start here and finish there and I want the person who will listen to it to be able to hear this journey. It’s a little bit more complicated than just listening to three albums in a row. Because everything is linked together, there are songs from Oceania that bring you back at the begining of TbK. I did not release them but I had written them, you see what I mean ? There's some kind of circular road in this work that links the different parts of Teargarden. And as far as the mainstream business is concerned I don’t mind if people there believe in me or not. Them believing on TbK or not is not a big deal for me, I just want people to listen to my music.

Smashing Pumpkins have traveled from indie rock at the beginning to a pshychedelic music via a metal sound. In the end it is difffcult to label your music.
Labels are stupid things to me anyway.

What kind of music do you listen to these days ? Does it influence your own music?
Mostly classical music, Beethoven and Bach.

You don’t listen to new bands?
No I don’t listen to new bands, no way. The other day I listened to this new band called... Best Coast. Pretty good yes. But no, I don’t look for new bands anymore. I stopped doing this a long time ago.

Nowadays, plenty of bands look at the 90s, try to get back to this sound, and claim that they are part of the SP legacy.
(Laughs). To me all of this has absolutely nothing to do with what I am currently doing. If someone comes to me and tells me that he is absolutely fond of SP, ‘Ava Adore’, blah blah blah… I feel flattered but this is old material and it’s completely different from what I’m doing now.
[...]

[frosty]

ArticulateEric, on 24 May 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

Yes.

soonergiant65, on 24 May 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

:shiftyeyes:/>

:lol:/>

i like the exchange here. better than anything on TBK.

[Claude]

He sailed without a... maaaaaaaaaaaap!

[SpiritPeople]

Zombie Teargarden.