[frednirv632]

A clip was added to the PumpkinsMediaMilitia youtube page. Since it's titled, "Smashing Pumpkins Webisode #1 - Daydream" I assume there will be more in the future. I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place for this thread, but since I don't know what the content of any future (if there are any more) videos will be.



I really like that he acknowledges D'arcy's great work on the Gish version of this song. Also, the MBV story was neat. I think that is what most people expected to hear in the reissue liner notes.

[DrownPumpkin]

Yeah, "Daydream" in my eyes has ways been "Lose My Breath"'s twin. They're my two favourite bands and it's lovely to hear MBV's influence on the big man.

[LostSoul]

Wow, I'm impressed. He sounds just like the studio demo. I like that he is starting to sing like himself again. :)/>

[ItsSoPringles]

LostSoul, on 16 February 2012 - 04:41 AM, said:

Wow, I'm impressed. He sounds just like the studio demo. I like that he is starting to sing like himself again. :)/>

lets just hope it stays with him

[nasalscarecrow]

Cool story. Love My Bloody Valentine too.

[odracir]

So maybe this was what the @smashingpumpkin twitter was talking about when they said we should expect something from their youtube channel. It's great, only that I thought it was going to be some sort of official announcement about Oceania, oh well.

[Deleted User Account]

Where was this Billy while writing the liner notes? Great story. Funny to hear him acknowledge that he ripped off MBV on Daydreamer- their influence from there on out was much more filtered through Corgan's unique sensibilities.

[LostSoul]

^^I do like the fact that Billy is honest about these things. Some artists would prefer to hide or deny it, but Billy wears his influences on his sleeve. That said, the rip-offs he makes are never substantial. If anything, more of a nod to the artists he is channeling.

Even more recently, he has stated that the studio cut of A Song For A Son is an homage to Led Zeppelin. Like the song or not, you can most certainly distinguish that. Especially the solo and the guitar parts surrounding it. And then there is the synth that brings forth some folksy Zeppelin vibes.

I know he has admitted to at least partially ripping off other artists in this song (Daydream), Crush, and Cherub Rock. Any others he's mentioned? I actually never noticed the Cherub Rock thing until recently. I'm not a huge fan of Rush, in fact I sort of avoid them. So when he mentioned the riff being a twist on a Rush song, I had to research. :lol:/>

[RottingApples]

I'm glad to see more surfacing from that Gish/ SD promo video. Been hoping we'd get to hear the full songs from it as most really sounded quite good.

[R_Dorothy Wayneright]

Corgan has mentioned that he ripped off 'Frail and Bedazzled' from a band called Skunk:

"frail and bedazzled owes a great debt to the band skunk, with whom i ripped part of this song off. skunk was probably the greatest band that i ever knew/saw that is virtually unknown-even less than the frogs. frogs. skunk. i miss skunk." -BC (PI liner notes)

And from the Matt Pinfield interview about the song 'Quiet', Corgan does say he "ripped the riff off some other band".

[LostSoul]

:lol:/>

Billy the klepto...

[AlienCloak]

SP songs that weren't ripped off:

[Arachnea]

How does that Picasso quote go again? Good artists copy, great artists steal?

[Bulletproofmask]

frednirv632, on 16 February 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

Since it's titled, "Smashing Pumpkins Webisode #1 - Daydream" I assume there will be more in the future.

A bold assumption, considering Billy's track record.

[Dusty]

Skunk was Matt Sweeney's first band. That's how he and Billy Corgan became friends. I don't know how much Cherub Rock counts, because at various times Billy's said it was a stolen Rush riff and a stolen Cheap Trick riff.

Anyways, this was really neat. I hope we do see more of those, though admitedly I had also thought it would be the Oceania accouncement. Should be soon...also, has anyone noticed that the band seems to be putting a little more marketing behind the reissues? I don't know if they're really reaching a new audience, but they've been comming up on the twitter again, and now in the webisode...

[astralweeks]

It's interesting hearing Corgan talking so candidly about the "influence" early MBV had on Gish-era Pumpkins. As an MBV fan it was also neat hearing how Isn't Anything was preceived as revolutionary in the late 80's by another great musician. I was too young to be aware of MBV during that era, but when I got into their music in the late 90's (through the Pumpkins connection) I always thought of Loveless as their seminal album. Isn't Anything is great, but I thought it had obvious influences (VU, Dinosaur Jr. JAMC, etc). It suprises me to hear that even at that point MBV were thought to have such a unique sound. It's the context of when you're first exposed to the music I guess. In 1989 on a college radio station that would have been exciting to hear.

Listening to this also makes me wish Corgan wasn't so dismissive of younger bands and the current rock scene. I don't want to hear a dubstep/chillwave hybrid on Oceania, but if he were to hear new music that excited him in the same way MBV did in the late 80's it'd probably benefit his current work. he could maybe take some of their elements and put them into his new music in a similar way. that's just an opinion though.

[crepe]

LostSoul, on 16 February 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

^^I do like the fact that Billy is honest about these things. Some artists would prefer to hide or deny it, but Billy wears his influences on his sleeve. That said, the rip-offs he makes are never substantial. If anything, more of a nod to the artists he is channeling.

Even more recently, he has stated that the studio cut of A Song For A Son is an homage to Led Zeppelin. Like the song or not, you can most certainly distinguish that. Especially the solo and the guitar parts surrounding it. And then there is the synth that brings forth some folksy Zeppelin vibes.

I know he has admitted to at least partially ripping off other artists in this song (Daydream), Crush, and Cherub Rock. Any others he's mentioned? I actually never noticed the Cherub Rock thing until recently. I'm not a huge fan of Rush, in fact I sort of avoid them. So when he mentioned the riff being a twist on a Rush song, I had to research. :lol:/>

which rush song?

[frosty]

AlienCloak, on 17 February 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

SP songs that weren't ripped off:

:shocked:/>

you're the most evil person on this website. :p/>

[nasalscarecrow]

astralweeks, on 18 February 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

It's interesting hearing Corgan talking so candidly about the "influence" early MBV had on Gish-era Pumpkins. As an MBV fan it was also neat hearing how Isn't Anything was preceived as revolutionary in the late 80's by another great musician. I was too young to be aware of MBV during that era, but when I got into their music in the late 90's (through the Pumpkins connection) I always thought of Loveless as their seminal album. Isn't Anything is great, but I thought it had obvious influences (VU, Dinosaur Jr. JAMC, etc). It suprises me to hear that even at that point MBV were thought to have such a unique sound. It's the context of when you're first exposed to the music I guess. In 1989 on a college radio station that would have been exciting to hear.

Listening to this also makes me wish Corgan wasn't so dismissive of younger bands and the current rock scene. I don't want to hear a dubstep/chillwave hybrid on Oceania, but if he were to hear new music that excited him in the same way MBV did in the late 80's it'd probably benefit his current work. he could maybe take some of their elements and put them into his new music in a similar way. that's just an opinion though.

I always found it hard to imagine how Isn't Anything must've sounded at the time, but it's cool that they were already heralded as influential before Loveless came out. Fucking love both albums, the remastered Isn't Anything really makes it sounds fresh.

[davidp2007]

It was a nice video, to get some of the inside story and all that. This video must have been set to private for a couple of months though, since it says it was uploaded on December 1st.

[astralweeks]

nasalscarecrow, on 19 February 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

I always found it hard to imagine how Isn't Anything must've sounded at the time, but it's cool that they were already heralded as influential before Loveless came out. Fucking love both albums, the remastered Isn't Anything really makes it sounds fresh.

Yeah, I love both albums too. everything they released from 88-91 is untouchable, the EPs and singles included. But I more or less thought of IA as a great indie rock album of its era, while Loveless is the alltime classic with a completely unique sound... but that was hearing them as a teenager for the first time 10 yrs after they were released... IA was probably a huge deal, especially for other shoegaze bands

it's funny that Corgan admitted not only to ripping them off, but how they were so obscure at that time he thought he'd get away with it without anyone noticing. it's he can be honest about that sort of thing now

[nasalscarecrow]

astralweeks, on 19 February 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

Yeah, I love both albums too. everything they released from 88-91 is untouchable, the EPs and singles included. But I more or less thought of IA as a great indie rock album of its era, while Loveless is the alltime classic with a completely unique sound... but that was hearing them as a teenager for the first time 10 yrs after they were released... IA was probably a huge deal, especially for other shoegaze bands

Totally agree. For several years, they were also the top of my "bands I want to see live" list so I was so happy when they started touring in 2008. I went to three dates that June, and it was great to see them perform those songs, and to hear them sound so fresh. I couldn't quite believe how heavy certain songs sounded, not to mention that You Made Me Realise "holocaust" section. Didn't surprise me that they didn't touch the jangly Ecstasy or Strawberry Wine stuff, though I do like it. I was more than happy with some EP tracks as well as the album cuts. There's a pro-shot video of them doing To Here Knows When in Japan on YouTube, with only Kevin on guitar (I know he was the main guitarist anyway, but Bilinda only sang on this) and it sounds so good.

I hope they do complete this album they started and abandoned. Word is on their forum (are you on it?) that Bilinda has recently done vocals, according to a guy who knows a guy. Who knows if anything else will come out. I was intrigued by this reported jungle influence Kevin had at one point. I'm not a fan of jungle, but I'd be interested to hear what he did with it, given the more "sound manipulation" lead tracks, such as 2 from that Lalala Human Steps thing, and MBV Arkestra (If They Move Kill 'Em). Probably got scrapped though. Was lucky enough to meet the full band in Manchester, but instead of asking any questions that might have cleared up any of the rumours, my mind went blank and we ended up talking about clothes. Silly me. :p/>

[astralweeks]

nasalscarecrow, on 19 February 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Totally agree. For several years, they were also the top of my "bands I want to see live" list so I was so happy when they started touring in 2008. I went to three dates that June, and it was great to see them perform those songs, and to hear them sound so fresh. I couldn't quite believe how heavy certain songs sounded, not to mention that You Made Me Realise "holocaust" section. Didn't surprise me that they didn't touch the jangly Ecstasy or Strawberry Wine stuff, though I do like it. I was more than happy with some EP tracks as well as the album cuts. There's a pro-shot video of them doing To Here Knows When in Japan on YouTube, with only Kevin on guitar (I know he was the main guitarist anyway, but Bilinda only sang on this) and it sounds so good.

I hope they do complete this album they started and abandoned. Word is on their forum (are you on it?) that Bilinda has recently done vocals, according to a guy who knows a guy. Who knows if anything else will come out. I was intrigued by this reported jungle influence Kevin had at one point. I'm not a fan of jungle, but I'd be interested to hear what he did with it, given the more "sound manipulation" lead tracks, such as 2 from that Lalala Human Steps thing, and MBV Arkestra (If They Move Kill 'Em). Probably got scrapped though. Was lucky enough to meet the full band in Manchester, but instead of asking any questions that might have cleared up any of the rumours, my mind went blank and we ended up talking about clothes. Silly me. :p/>

I was lucky enough to see them twice on the reunion tour. The first time was at a realtively small club.. probably my favorite concert I've attended..

good to hear the update on a new album. I know Kevin Shields keep promising one, but I've slowly given up over the yrs.. but I never thought I'd get to see them in concert either, so anything is possible

[frednirv632]

Numero Dos:


"...not because i was in some drug-addled state..."
MUSTARD LIES

lol

I'm starting to think one of these per song would have made a nice addition to the reissue DVDs.

[ShamanO]

so what does SHE know? and who is SHE?

also yeah these would have been a nice addition to the reissues. I was just wondering if he is doing this for all the songs on each reissue or just a select few.

[FadedNite]

Someone needs to rip the audio from these webisodes so that we can have a quality acoustic set of Gish!

[vescret]

seriously we need a rip!

[BitterRootOfSelf]

Has it really been MUSTARD LIES all this time lol, my mind is BLOWN!!.. what does that even mean haha.. open your eyes through these must i lie

[ThereItGoes]

frednirv632, on 16 February 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

A clip was added to the PumpkinsMediaMilitia youtube page. Since it's titled, "Smashing Pumpkins Webisode #1 - Daydream" I assume there will be more in the future. I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place for this thread, but since I don't know what the content of any future (if there are any more) videos will be.



I really like that he acknowledges D'arcy's great work on the Gish version of this song. Also, the MBV story was neat. I think that is what most people expected to hear in the reissue liner notes.

nice..
The marriage between Sp and shoegaze can never go wrong.
("Isn't Anything" is my fav MBV album)

[themadcaplaughs]

Excellent performance of "Rhinoceros." Billy seems to really excel with these intimate acoustic songs. That performance of "In the Arms of Sleep" from a few years back was ace.

[frednirv632]

BitterRootOfSelf, on 21 February 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Has it really been MUSTARD LIES all this time lol, my mind is BLOWN!!.. what does that even mean haha.. open your eyes through these must i lie

Apparently it's something he scribbled down while tripping. He talks about it during segment 4 of this interview (but all of it is worth listening to):
http://soundcloud.co...s-billy-corgan/

also, just in case, the first line is 'panda show'...
:happy:/>

[MoonPI]

Very nice indeed..Love when Billy plays acoustic..

[BitterRootOfSelf]

frednirv632, on 21 February 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Apparently it's something he scribbled down while tripping. He talks about it during segment 4 of this interview (but all of it is worth listening to):
http://soundcloud.co...s-billy-corgan/

also, just in case, the first line is 'panda show'...
:happy:/>

Interesting, Thanks! i knew i should have listened to that entire interview a while back, its pretty damn good!

I knew it was panda show btw lol.

[ButterflyBullets]

I always thought it was mustard lies, but I figured it had to be wrong :shiftyeyes:/>

[hotoriousDICK]

ha so all these years i was right with MUSTARD LIES hahaha.

[frosty]

maybe he was watching a chicago cubs game while eating a mustard covered hot dog & couldn't believe the mustard lies coming from the field. you know, the other team winning.

[snail33]

astralweeks, on 18 February 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

It's interesting hearing Corgan talking so candidly about the "influence" early MBV had on Gish-era Pumpkins. As an MBV fan it was also neat hearing how Isn't Anything was preceived as revolutionary in the late 80's by another great musician. I was too young to be aware of MBV during that era, but when I got into their music in the late 90's (through the Pumpkins connection) I always thought of Loveless as their seminal album. Isn't Anything is great, but I thought it had obvious influences (VU, Dinosaur Jr. JAMC, etc). It suprises me to hear that even at that point MBV were thought to have such a unique sound. It's the context of when you're first exposed to the music I guess. In 1989 on a college radio station that would have been exciting to hear.

Listening to this also makes me wish Corgan wasn't so dismissive of younger bands and the current rock scene. I don't want to hear a dubstep/chillwave hybrid on Oceania, but if he were to hear new music that excited him in the same way MBV did in the late 80's it'd probably benefit his current work. he could maybe take some of their elements and put them into his new music in a similar way. that's just an opinion though.

i don't hear dinosaur jr. in mbv at all. and there is no good new rock music, that's probably why he's not into it.

[beep beep]

frosty, on 21 February 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

maybe he was watching a chicago cubs game while eating a mustard covered hot dog & couldn't believe the mustard lies coming from the field. you know, the other team winning.

um, no i don't. Please explain further.

[frosty]

beep beep, on 21 February 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

*jealous stalking bitch*

.

[snail33]

astralweeks, on 19 February 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

Yeah, I love both albums too. everything they released from 88-91 is untouchable, the EPs and singles included. But I more or less thought of IA as a great indie rock album of its era, while Loveless is the alltime classic with a completely unique sound... but that was hearing them as a teenager for the first time 10 yrs after they were released... IA was probably a huge deal, especially for other shoegaze bands

it's funny that Corgan admitted not only to ripping them off, but how they were so obscure at that time he thought he'd get away with it without anyone noticing. it's he can be honest about that sort of thing now

isn't anything is to gish as loveless is to siamese dream.

[snail33]

LostSoul, on 16 February 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

^^I do like the fact that Billy is honest about these things. Some artists would prefer to hide or deny it, but Billy wears his influences on his sleeve. That said, the rip-offs he makes are never substantial. If anything, more of a nod to the artists he is channeling.

Even more recently, he has stated that the studio cut of A Song For A Son is an homage to Led Zeppelin. Like the song or not, you can most certainly distinguish that. Especially the solo and the guitar parts surrounding it. And then there is the synth that brings forth some folksy Zeppelin vibes.

I know he has admitted to at least partially ripping off other artists in this song (Daydream), Crush, and Cherub Rock. Any others he's mentioned? I actually never noticed the Cherub Rock thing until recently. I'm not a huge fan of Rush, in fact I sort of avoid them. So when he mentioned the riff being a twist on a Rush song, I had to research. :lol:/>

"the ripoffs were never substantial"? the first time i heard "daydream", in 1991, i did a double take, hardly believing that it wasn't my bloody valentine. it's a BALDFACED ripoff, albeit a damn good one.

[killer_in_me]

astralweeks, on 18 February 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

It's interesting hearing Corgan talking so candidly about the "influence" early MBV had on Gish-era Pumpkins. As an MBV fan it was also neat hearing how Isn't Anything was preceived as revolutionary in the late 80's by another great musician. I was too young to be aware of MBV during that era, but when I got into their music in the late 90's (through the Pumpkins connection) I always thought of Loveless as their seminal album. Isn't Anything is great, but I thought it had obvious influences (VU, Dinosaur Jr. JAMC, etc). It suprises me to hear that even at that point MBV were thought to have such a unique sound. It's the context of when you're first exposed to the music I guess. In 1989 on a college radio station that would have been exciting to hear.

Listening to this also makes me wish Corgan wasn't so dismissive of younger bands and the current rock scene. I don't want to hear a dubstep/chillwave hybrid on Oceania, but if he were to hear new music that excited him in the same way MBV did in the late 80's it'd probably benefit his current work. he could maybe take some of their elements and put them into his new music in a similar way. that's just an opinion though.

I find as I get older less and less music inspires me. I hear stuff that I like, but nothing cuts as deeply as when I was younger. Maybe that's where Billy is at.

[astralweeks]

snail33, on 21 February 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

i don't hear dinosaur jr. in mbv at all.

songs like "Nothing Much to Lose", "Thorn" etc. definatley sound like they were influenced by early Dinosaur Jr. imo.

[Deleted User Account]

snail, check out You're Living All Over Me. I'm about 80% confident Shields has actually cited it as an influence.

Check out The Lung in particular.

Influence can be felt on: You Never Should for sure.

MBV is its own beast though. Nothing Much To Lose is so quintessentially MBV, but I suppose I can hear some Dinosaur? In the guitar tone. Not in the structure/melody. LOL I forgot how insane the drums are in that song.