[themadcaplaughs]

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The SD album cover is only iconic because the album is iconic. If SD was a shit album, no one would remember the album cover.

Same goes for this. The music may strengthen the album cover and art or not.

Plus, I don't think this is the 'Indie album cover by numbers,' that would be more like the band doing nothing but standing in some generic landscape. There is apparent thought and purpose behind this. We'll just have to wait and see what that is.

Very true...if Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness got released today and Smashing Pumpkins were an unknown band, it would probably be laughed at.

[Arachnea]

themadcaplaughs, on 01 May 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

Very true...if Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness got released today and Smashing Pumpkins were an unknown band, it would probably be laughed at.

Would it? More so than it was then? The image is based on a famous painting by Raphael. Love it or hate, it shows the bands good humor and sets the tone of the albums silliness and epic grandiosity.

[MachinesOfLight]

has everyone seen the cover already?
i think it looks pretty cool.

my bad

[frosty]

fanboy.

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Arachnea, on 01 May 2012 - 10:40 AM, said:

Would it? More so than it was then? The image is based on a famous painting by Raphael. Love it or hate, it shows the bands good humor and sets the tone of the albums silliness and epic grandiosity.

Yes. I hate this idea that everything the band does now is up against impossible nostalgia, and "if Widow came out in 95 it'd be a stone cold classic!".

[Stumbling]

ArticulateEric, on 01 May 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Yes. I hate this idea that everything the band does now is up against impossible nostalgia, and "if Widow came out in 95 it'd be a stone cold classic!".

I think you're off here. Widow would not have been a classic had it come out in 95. Good song though. I like all the ohs.

[Arachnea]

ArticulateEric, on 01 May 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Yes. I hate this idea that everything the band does now is up against impossible nostalgia, and "if Widow came out in 95 it'd be a stone cold classic!".

Yes. I do not think that Mellon Colie would be laughed at any more than it was by those who disliked it to begin with. By and large, I think most really did like the Mellon Collie artwork and I am doubtful that many people would ridicule it now regardless of its status in the bands musical canon. The nostalgia argument is a trite one. Great art is great art. Releasing a turd like "widow" in 1995 would still make it a turd. Yet even that point is negated since it would be completely unlikely that Billy would have written such a song then. The Mellon Collie artwork is beautiful, captivating, and classic. Wonderful hand drawn images inspired by great classics (which fit nicely into the theme for tonight, tonight), and I love the Victorian theme they used in the inner booklet and singles. I also love the Victorian "wingdings" that were used in the lyrics booklet. It was unique and fantastical, which helped set the band apart from the rest of the heap and the typical grunge bands of the time.

[afroguy10]

serotoninsage, on 30 April 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

Billy should have hired Machinist to take a good landscape cover photo.

:thumbsup:/>

[andrewface]

doesn't matter what the cover was some people would still criticize and dislike. I like the cover I think it suits the name of the album and the overall theme.

[ItsSoPringles]

ArticulateEric, on 01 May 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Yes. I hate this idea that everything the band does now is up against impossible nostalgia, and "if Widow came out in 95 it'd be a stone cold classic!".

ive never heard that argument, ive heard that if thats the way was out in the 90's that it would be a stone cold classic. And that I can believe

[nasalscarecrow]

I can see that argument for some material, but not all of it. Certainly a few tracks from Zeitgeist.

[Woody]

I believe that if these songs were released on either Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie they would have been regularly played on the radio and considered classics today:

That's the Way (My Love Is)
Stellar
Freak
The Rose March
Tom Tom
The Fellowship
G.L.O.W.
Sunkissed
Owata

Hopefully Oceania gets SP some more positive attention worldwide and people (not just longtime fans) will want to listen to them again.

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Woody, on 02 May 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

I believe that if these songs were released on either Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie they would have been regularly played on the radio and considered classics today:

That's the Way (My Love Is)
Stellar
Freak
The Rose March
Tom Tom
The Fellowship
G.L.O.W.
Sunkissed
Owata

Hopefully Oceania gets SP some more positive attention worldwide and people (not just longtime fans) will want to listen to them again.

Being as its all ridiculously hypothetical either of us can say whatever we'd like. But no to Rose March, Stellar, Fellowship, GLOW, Sunkissed and Owata.

[Woody]

Okay

[manuglass]

Woody, on 02 May 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

Okay

Haha, to continue with the hypothetical, I agree with most of your choices, but as much as I love The Rose Mach, I could never see it getting a lot of radio play.

[nasalscarecrow]

I'd undoubtedly say no to the very forgettable The Rose March. That wins award for worst vocal from me, rather than anything off Zeitgeist. Honestly, it's the one song I can't understand the love for.

[thebeatle]

nasalscarecrow, on 02 May 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

I'd undoubtedly say no to the very forgettable The Rose March. That wins award for worst vocal from me, rather than anything off Zeitgeist. Honestly, it's the one song I can't understand the love for.

/disagree

Anything from American Gothic > Zeitgeist. I tried to put it in(Zeitgeist) the other day and couldn't even make it past bleeding the orchid. What a waste that album was.

[ShamanO]

the melody of The Rose March is awesome. I happen to like the song and vocals

[thebeatle]

ShamanO, on 02 May 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

the melody of The Rose March is awesome. I happen to like the song and vocals

Yeah, the melody is quite moving. It was really cool getting to see Billy originally flesh it out on the If All Goes Wrong dvd.

[Woody]

I have the grey Best Buy Exclusive Zeitgeist CD and it's interesting how the addition of Death From Above, Stellar and Ma Belle into the tracklisting make it a much better album, in my opinion. It baffles me that Come On Let's Go and Bring the Light made the "official album cut" but those 3 songs were only bonus tracks.

[WayneArnold]

Woody, on 02 May 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

I believe that if these songs were released on either Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie they would have been regularly played on the radio and considered classics today:

That's the Way (My Love Is)
Stellar
Freak
The Rose March
Tom Tom
The Fellowship
G.L.O.W.
Sunkissed
Owata

Hopefully Oceania gets SP some more positive attention worldwide and people (not just longtime fans) will want to listen to them again.

:what:/>

[Drevpile]

http://www.gagbay.com/images/2012/02/only_90s_kids_will_understand_the_frustration-37913.jpg

[Woody]

Wow

[ShamanO]

Drevpile, on 02 May 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

http://www.gagbay.com/images/2012/02/only_90s_kids_will_understand_the_frustration-37913.jpg

damn you got access to the inside artwork of the album. I'm impressed.

[whywontyoulisten]

Must...resist...urge...to...untangle. :whattodo:/>

[WayneArnold]

Woody, on 02 May 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

Wow

If those songs were as good as the material back then, "classics", as you say, you don't think a single one of them would have gotten a sniff from radio stations, the internet, fuck- anybody? Come on. Honestly one of the most ridiculous things I've read in a while.

[Drevpile]

whywontyoulisten, on 02 May 2012 - 12:31 PM, said:

Must...resist...urge...to...untangle. :whattodo:/>

Exunctly.

[Woody]

So I'm new here. And i really want to applaud you guys on the extremely warm reception. Thank you.
But before I go I just want to ask the "regulars" what it is that I did wrong...is it...because I said something positive about post 2000 Smashing Pumpkins music?

Yes. I like some of it. Not all of it. But I enjoy some of it as much as the older stuff.
It's my opinion that if G.L.O.W came out in 1996 with a music video instead of Zero, it would have shared similar success. Same with "That's the Way". People would have given it a chance because in 1996 SP was "in". Now they have fallen out of fashion.
The quality of the songs that I listed earlier (in my opinion. In my opinion) still stand next to some of their best music. It's just that not many peopl,e except fans like me, give a shit enough to seek it out.

I say "I believe" and "in my opinion" in my posts to try and avoid people ganging up on me and shoving shit down my throat if they feel differently. But if this board thrives on negativity, snarky comments, etc. then it's a complete waste of both our time. I thought maybe a....discussion would break out. I had no intention of being "ridiculous".

Just try not to ruin the SPRC, okay? Some fans are looking forward to it.

[JSapp]

Don't take it personally Woody. People love to hate on the post 2000 stuff. (There is plenty of it I personally like). Welcome to the board

[ShamanO]

Oh don't mind them nostalgia fans...they mean well. Besides they know I love the new stuff and old and they know they can't change that about me but we can get them brainwashed into some new tunes... :p/>

[WayneArnold]

I like some of the new stuff too, doesn't make his comments any less ridiculous. "Steller", for example, is as good as the 90's material. It still wouldn't have gotten radio play back then, it's not a pop song. It couldn't have been a single. As for the rest, well... come on.

[Drevpile]

<<< think this http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lwj_DHhAC5c/TX9Hs4BfulI/AAAAAAAACNo/9W0QmdTOlLg/s400/Father%2BJack.jpg it should help...

[V_____]

Woody, on 02 May 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

I believe that if these songs were released on either Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie they would have been regularly played on the radio and considered classics today:

That's the Way (My Love Is)
Stellar
Freak
The Rose March
Tom Tom
The Fellowship
G.L.O.W.
Sunkissed
Owata

Hopefully Oceania gets SP some more positive attention worldwide and people (not just longtime fans) will want to listen to them again.

I really disagree. None of these songs except Tom Tom and possibly The Fellowship would have been a fit for radio play at that time. Most of these sounds would never even have made the cut to be on those albums in the first place.

I might also be in the minority but I'm pretty sure That's the Way (the album version) is the worst smashing pumpkins song. I do like it better on acoustic, though.

WayneArnold, on 02 May 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

I like some of the new stuff too, doesn't make his comments any less ridiculous. "Steller", for example, is as good as the 90's material. It still wouldn't have gotten radio play back then, it's not a pop song. It couldn't have been a single. As for the rest, well... come on.

Right. Stellar is a great song but it's not a single type song.

[Inertia]

Woody, on 02 May 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

So I'm new here. And i really want to applaud you guys on the extremely warm reception. Thank you.
But before I go I just want to ask the "regulars" what it is that I did wrong...is it...because I said something positive about post 2000 Smashing Pumpkins music?

Yes. I like some of it. Not all of it. But I enjoy some of it as much as the older stuff.
It's my opinion that if G.L.O.W came out in 1996 with a music video instead of Zero, it would have shared similar success. Same with "That's the Way". People would have given it a chance because in 1996 SP was "in". Now they have fallen out of fashion.
The quality of the songs that I listed earlier (in my opinion. In my opinion) still stand next to some of their best music. It's just that not many peopl,e except fans like me, give a shit enough to seek it out.

I say "I believe" and "in my opinion" in my posts to try and avoid people ganging up on me and shoving shit down my throat if they feel differently. But if this board thrives on negativity, snarky comments, etc. then it's a complete waste of both our time. I thought maybe a....discussion would break out. I had no intention of being "ridiculous".

Just try not to ruin the SPRC, okay? Some fans are looking forward to it.

Those are the magic words in any forum.

[themadcaplaughs]

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I have the grey Best Buy Exclusive Zeitgeist CD and it's interesting how the addition of Death From Above, Stellar and Ma Belle into the tracklisting make it a much better album, in my opinion. It baffles me that Come On Let's Go and Bring the Light made the "official album cut" but those 3 songs were only bonus tracks.

"Death From Above" is probably my least favorite Smashing Pumpkins track in any incarnation of the band.

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V_____, on 02 May 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

I really disagree. None of these songs except Tom Tom and possibly The Fellowship would have been a fit for radio play at that time. Most of these sounds would never even have made the cut to be on those albums in the first place.

I might also be in the minority but I'm pretty sure That's the Way (the album version) is the worst smashing pumpkins song. I do like it better on acoustic, though.



Right. Stellar is a great song but it's not a single type song.

I really don't get the hype over Stellar being a good song. Instrumentally it's beautiful, but the melody is barely passable. I can't even think of it right now.

[BitterRootOfSelf]

I really liked Death From Above in its live form. Not so much on the record.

[V_____]

ArticulateEric, on 02 May 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

I really don't get the hype over Stellar being a good song. Instrumentally it's beautiful, but the melody is barely passable. I can't even think of it right now.

I suppose it depends what you're into. I'm more of a textural listener which is where most of Zeitgeist doesn't really work to my tastes.

[JSapp]

I'm in the extreme minority but I actually like Death From Above.

[CoolAsIceCream]

[Arachnea]

http://www.fasterlou...ndour-sideshows

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Elaborating on the performance concept Billy Corgan has said: “Australia is the perfect place to usher in a new era of The Smashing Pumpkins, where we look to combine an epic rock show with the latest in visual mapping technology to create a one-of-a-kind experience for our fans.”

While little more detail has been given about what exactly this experience will entail, we do know it was created to visually enhance the presentation of the band’s forthcoming album Oceania. Chatting with FasterLouder about the record’s themes earlier this week Corgan revealed, “[It’s about] being an astronaut and being an island unto yourself. Isolation is definitely a key theme…[and] trying to struggle with how to remain yourself and love at the same time, truly love somebody, or love your life. And at the same time, how to stay who you are and commit to the technological overkill.”

[Raoul]

ShamanO, on 02 May 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

the melody of The Rose March is awesome. I happen to like the song and vocals

The recording is pretty horrible i think, but the song is great. I really enjoy the underplayed version on the doco dvd - i think the song is very touching - its just a shane that Amercian Gothic version is not a mess, vocals inlcuded.

[nasalscarecrow]

JSapp, on 03 May 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

I'm in the extreme minority but I actually like Death From Above.

I too am in that minority.

[ItsSoPringles]

V_____, on 02 May 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

Right. Stellar is a great song but it's not a single type song.

stellar is one of the best post 2000's song but even in the 90's it wouldnt have been to huge, just look at galapagos, only the die hards really love it while the casuals dont even realize it exists