[NicoDe70]

Sophie, on 27 March 2012 - 03:27 AM, said:

Well the language here is English but this forum does have a mutllingual section and I've just created a new topic for you in the French section. It's called "Tout ce que vous avez toujours voulu savoir sur MCIS en vinyle" -et plus encore-.

If relevant information are debated on over there I will report them in this very section ;)/>.

Here are the pictures of the sleeve and lp:

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/2667/img1235jb.th.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4930/img1234zu.th.jpg
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/624/img1233ul.th.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6250/img1232n.th.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3654/img1231q.th.jpg
http://imageshack.us/thumbnmail.png
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7663/img1229dw.th.jpg
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/7499/img1228g.th.jpg

It seems legit to me. What do you think Sophie?

This post has been edited by NicoDe70: 27 March 2012 - 08:08 AM

[Sophie]

NicoDe70, on 27 March 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

It seems legit to me. What do you think Sophie?

Legit misprinted copy.

More details in the french section of the forum. ;)/>

[NicoDe70]

Sophie, on 27 March 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

Legit misprinted copy.

More details in the french section of the forum. ;)/>

Thank you Sophie for your help. I've contacted the seller to ask for a refound and return. Here is the full discution:

Me:
Hi,

Has I told you, side 5 has a white label. If i knew it, i wouldn't have bid on this LP.
After much tought, I would like to return it and get a refound.

Can we work this out?

Please let me know.

Seller:
This is the way it was intended to be pressed. Everything about the record is original. I did extensive research and those cuts from the white label side were non cd tracks only available on the vinyl lps. That is why only one side is white and the other side is a color, but only on one disc. That side is also titled starlight. The blue side is midnight and so forth. It has the serial number on the jacket which only the original press' have. The insert booklet is also there. The vinyl is also in the condition described. Thats how it's pressed.

Me:
I've done some reseach too.
The side with the white label is side E. It's called midnight. (see the back of the cover)
Side F is called starlight. The 3 track not on the CD version are on side F.

I don't question the fact that it is a legit numbered copy of the album. But this is a misprint.
That's why i'm asking for a return and refound.
I hope you will understand and accept my request.


I'm waiting for his answer, but i'm pretty shure i'm going to have to open a case on ebay. I'm glad i've payed through Paypal.

Any advice?

[NicoDe70]

the discution keeps on:

Seller:
I have never had any knowledge of it being a misprint. I only claimed that it was an original in the condition described.

Me:
Do you agree for a return and refound?
The Lp is in the condition described, except that the label is white andthat was not described.
If you don't my only choice will be to open a case with Paypal.

Seller:
1 side is supposed to be white. Every thing is there. I dont see a problem with my description.

Me:
I have to disagree with you. Both sides of disc 3 are supposed to be blue.
See the image http://i42.tinypic.com/24b5h8j.jpg
this is how side E is supposed to be.

Doesn't sound to friendly... Thank you sophie for the picture

This post has been edited by NicoDe70: 27 March 2012 - 10:07 PM

[Sophie]

You're welcome. ;)/>

The seller is obviously in denial and wrong when he says this record should have a blank label, so keep tracks of this conversation. You were polite and non aggressive in your messages so I think you're on the right way.

If the seller keeps on refusing "return&full refund", while he said he accepted this type of procedure in the message related to the sale, you might want to open a case via paypal. I think you could, at least for a partial refund.

Good luck and keep us informed.

[NicoDe70]

Sophie, on 28 March 2012 - 12:36 AM, said:

You're welcome. ;)/>

The seller is obviously in denial and wrong when he says this record should have a blank label, so keep tracks of this conversation. You were polite and non aggressive in your messages so I think you're on the right way.

If the seller keeps on refusing "return&full refund", while he said he accepted this type of procedure in the message related to the sale, you might want to open a case via paypal. I think you could, at least for a partial refund.

Good luck and keep us informed.

I've opened the Paypal case, asking once again for a return & full refound. In the original auction, it's clearlly stated the he doesn't accept returns.
But since the item is "faulty"...

I'll let you know how it turns out.

[Lionel]

Ok, I've been looking to add the MCIS vinyl to my collection and then up pops MCIS #5000 on eBay. Would have opted for a more mint sample, but since its number 5K, I had to have it. Here's the link,
http://www.ebay.com/...984.m1497.l2648

It does have the line on the jacket so I'd be interested to see if 5001 has it as well.
Best, lionel

[RottingApples]

NicoDe70, on 27 March 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

the discution keeps on:

Seller:
I have never had any knowledge of it being a misprint. I only claimed that it was an original in the condition described.

Me:
Do you agree for a return and refound?
The Lp is in the condition described, except that the label is white andthat was not described.
If you don't my only choice will be to open a case with Paypal.

Seller:
1 side is supposed to be white. Every thing is there. I dont see a problem with my description.

Me:
I have to disagree with you. Both sides of disc 3 are supposed to be blue.
See the image http://i42.tinypic.com/24b5h8j.jpg
this is how side E is supposed to be.

Doesn't sound to friendly... Thank you sophie for the picture

If it's just a misprint and not a bootleg, why does it matter? If anything, a misprint would just make it potentially more valuable. It seems like you're giving this person unnecessary grief for something that really isn't a problem.

[Sophie]

RottingApples, on 28 March 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

If it's just a misprint and not a bootleg, why does it matter? If anything, a misprint would just make it potentially more valuable. It seems like you're giving this person unnecessary grief for something that really isn't a problem.

As I said in the french section I'm not sure this misprinted copy will ever have a higher value than a regular one. OK it's unique but valuable misprinted copies are funny ones (like the MCIS CDs with the blue and pink labels inverted). This copy just looks like something is missing. As it seems to be a legit copy my guess is that it is worth the price of a legit copy but probably not a lot more, and would only interest someone who already owns a regular copy. Moreover if it was more valuable than a regular one I bet the seller who have mentioned it to make a better deal.
But who knows, you see such things on ebay ;)/>.

I told Nico that if I were him I'd keep the copy but probably ask for a partial refund because I'm pretty sure the seller did not mention that particularity on purpose, and given the price of those little things on ebay currently, the least sellers can do is being honest about what they are selling.

[ZEN]

I disagree, I would not hassle the seller, Shelia you state that it may be potentially worth more, which it most likely is. You agree with this, why cause a hassle the seller for a few extra $ ?

To me it seems petty. Misprints are notoriously worth more.

Has anyone heard of another one like this? Nico? how much did you pay for this? I might want to buy it for the amount you paid for it. Instead of hassling the seller any further/

[NicoDe70]

Hi Zen,

Ive paid 299 USD plus shipping to france. If you want it for that price plus shipping, i wouldn't be happier. Where do you live?

We can continue this conversation via PM if you want.

[Sophie]

Sophie, on 28 March 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

As I said in the french section I'm not sure this misprinted copy will ever have a higher value than a regular one. [..] As it seems to be a legit copy my guess is that it is worth the price of a legit copy but probably not a lot more, and would only interest someone who already owns a regular copy.

ZEN, on 28 March 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

Shelia you state that it may be potentially worth more, which it most likely is. You agree with this, why cause a hassle the seller for a few extra $ ? To me it seems petty.
Misprints are notoriously worth more. Has anyone heard of another one like this? Nico? how much did you pay for this? I might want to buy it for the amount you paid for it. Instead of hassling the seller any further/

NicoDe70, on 28 March 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

Ive paid 299 USD plus shipping to france.

I still think that even a misprinted scarce copy should not be selled that price and I still believe that the seller did not strictly played by the rules.
Now I gave my opinion, Nico is an adult, he does whatever he wants and I didn't force him to do anything. So far I think he has acted very politely and just started a negociation about a deal on something he bought for nearly 300$ and which obviously does not fully match his expectations, to me it is simply trade.

If anyone wants to buy Nico's record that would be a great opportunity for him so let this happen, but no matter how interested I am in SP releases this copy does not appeal to me and certainly not at that price. I may be wrong, perhaps this copy will be more valuable than any other in the next future but so far the interest in that copy and all the hype around only comes from this thread so... :shrug:/>
It is a bet, I accept it as it is and I accept the fact that I may be wrong, but once again I wouldn't put my money on it.

PS: by the way my name is not Sheila, it's only linked to my number of posts... Details boys! They are not only important as far as MCIS records are concerned. ;)/>

[ZEN]

PS: by the way my name is not Sheila, it's only linked to my number of posts... Details boys! They are not only important as far as MCIS records are concerned. ;)/>

OK Sophie, sorry. I am a newbie. Forgiveness please

[ZEN]

Nico, I do not have the $300 to drop on this right now. If I were you all being said I would hold onto it.

Although I could understand if you want a refund. FYI if you file a claim with eBay, they will side with you. Even if the seller states a "No Refund Policy". You Probably will be responsible for return shipping, but eBay has a 45 day money back policy even if a seller states 7 days or no return. Believe me I know.

But the return price may be worth it if you dropped $300 on it and are not satisfied. You can get a pretty good low numbered set if you keep your eye open for a decent price. I bought 3721 buy it now for $199. So, although you may think it is costly to ship it back you could do a little better I believe, thus paying for shipping would be a small cost for getting what you want. Also, press eBay to have the seller pay for return shipping...? Who knows?

They may seem few and far between but they do come open quite often, good luck, >>>----Zen--->

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item19cf34ff2e

Number 3940 for sale on eBay UK. BTW Fuzzy line is present. For anyone keeping tabs.

[Sophie]

ZEN, on 28 March 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

PS: by the way my name is not Sheila, it's only linked to my number of posts... Details boys! They are not only important as far as MCIS records are concerned. ;)/>

OK Sophie, sorry. I am a newbie. Forgiveness please

Forgiveness granted don't worry :flowers:/> !

[RottingApples]

Whether it's "worth more" for being a misprint is really irrelevant. What's important is whether it's an authentic copy or a bootleg, and it seems to be confirmed by people "in the know" that it is a legitimate, official copy. Now whether Nico thinks spending $300 on it is worth it or not, well, that was his choice in bidding that high on it. I suppose the seller could have disclosed that there was something misprinted, but so what? Why is it such a big deal? Consider yourself lucky you actually found a real copy and didn't get suckered into buying a boot like so many people on ebay do. I'd love to find a real copy at a fair price, but it's just not going to happen (aside from if he re-releases it on vinyl as part of the reissues). But like I said, hassling the seller over something so insignificant just seems like an unnecessary, petty thing to do.

[NicoDe70]

The case is closed. The seller offered me a 40$ refound, i've accepted.

I don't want to be seen as anal retensive person but asking for a return and refound wasn't a far fetched request.

Anyway i just want to move on, and enjoy

[Lionel]

No comments about MCIS #5000? I would have thought this would have been more interesting to folks. Opinions?

http://www.ebay.com/...984.m1497.l2649

Best, Lionel

This post has been edited by Lionel: 30 March 2012 - 06:23 AM

[Mayfair]

Lionel, on 30 March 2012 - 06:11 AM, said:

No comments about MCIS #5000? I would have thought this would have been more interesting to folks. Opinions?

http://www.ebay.com/...984.m1497.l2649

Best, Lionel

with 18k to possibly 20k numbered, we are not losing our shit. sorry. plus, we already went gaga over two other copies. can you guess which numbers?

This post has been edited by Mayfair: 30 March 2012 - 07:08 AM

[Sophie]

Mayfair, on 30 March 2012 - 07:06 AM, said:

can you guess which numbers?

Just making an educated guess. :innocent:/>

[Mayfair]

nope. 33 and 1979.

[Lionel]

Ok, I'll bite. Im guessing one was 1979 and the other perhaps #0001

Ok, 33. Cool. I am curious to see though, if those immediately following 5k have the stripe through the jacket, indicating at least a pause in production @ 5k. Or the presence afterward indicative of a straight run through to god knows what. I just enjoy that level of minutia.

This post has been edited by Lionel: 30 March 2012 - 09:55 AM

[Sophie]

Mayfair, on 30 March 2012 - 09:46 AM, said:

nope. 33 and 1979.

Really thought the two were 666 and 1979.
I SHOULD have thought about 33, damn it! :banghead:/>

NO GIFT FOR ME! ;)/>

This post has been edited by Sophie: 30 March 2012 - 09:58 AM

[bosmanad]

ZEN, on 14 February 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

Like I said, I am 40 have a steady job wife and kids...checked a few times saw the few first posts then was distracted by the news of Newt Gingrich joining the GOP race. Again I apologize if I have offended you.

...because your a Gingrich fan or because he's the Anti-Christ? Just curious.

And so as not to derail...I'll check the number and line on my LP tonight

[ZEN]

D all of the above..... In fact I hate them all. What kinda change is going to come from this election cycle? None.....Gingrich is the worst possible throw back imaginable. But enough of that crap, 'eh?

[frednirv632]

I remember 33 on ebay not too long ago (or maybe I saw an archived image of the auction??). When did 1979 pop up? If it was being sold, it must have gone for a pretty penny...

[joneds]

Bit late to this topic, but I'm a long time fan new to this forum, so thought I'd pitch in with my number:

1183 (with line through front and back covers)

I got this as a present some time around the late 90s from someone who bought it new as far as I'm aware. Oh, and this was from a record shop in England if anyone cares!

[CoolAsIceCream]

Thank you.

[thom_g]

Hello,

Im new here and have to confess that Im actually mainly here because I am thinking about selling my copy of MCIS.

It is number 0921 and it has the line across it.


Can anybody help with my best bet for selling this? I would like to avoid ebay if I can, Ive had too much trouble with non paying people. Its in reasonable condition, I have had it from new but have played it a bit. I can email lots of photos if anybody is interested or knows anyone who might be.

nice to meet you all!

Thom.


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[ZEN]

Counterfeit?

http://www.ebay.com/...=item2c66d58546

[fredouille]

perhaps a real one
but not numbered => less than $20, not $99

[CoolAsIceCream]

^ lol, wtf?
that's not how it works, fredouille.
if it's real, it's worth $100, numbered or unnumbered. if it's fake, it basically worthless. ($20 sounds like a fair deal for people who don't mind buying fake crap.)

it looks like a fake one to me.
but i can only see thumbnails of the pictures right now, so it's hard to tell.
am i seeing it right that there is no white box on the front of the cover, in the lower right corner? if so, it's definitely a fake copy.

This post has been edited by CoolAsIceCream: 18 July 2012 - 03:01 AM

[ZEN]

First clue, the main listing shows the record sleeve not the jacket. The seller knows that this is junk. If he was confident about the LP he would post the front of the cover on the listing. No white box on the cover at all.

[CoolAsIceCream]

had a look. definitely a bootleg.

[Ppar1]

Hi all, new here. I wish I would have known more about this bootleg stuff prior to winning an auction on ebay. I did research it but for some reason never came across this until now. Hoping I bought a genuine one. The seller will accept return with full refund within 14 days. Below are the auction pics. Let me know what you think, much appreciated. (sorry the pics are so big, don't know how to resize them).

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s137/paulrogers316/mcis_1.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s137/paulrogers316/mcis_2.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s137/paulrogers316/mcis_3.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s137/paulrogers316/mcis_4.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s137/paulrogers316/mcis_5.jpg

[ZEN]

Ppar1, on 12 August 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

Hi all, new here. I wish I would have known more about this bootleg stuff prior to winning an auction on ebay. I did research it but for some reason never came across this until now. Hoping I bought a genuine one. The seller will accept return with full refund within 14 days. Below are the auction pics. Let me know what you think, much appreciated. (sorry the pics are so big, don't know how to resize them).

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s137/paulrogers316/mcis_1.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s137/paulrogers316/mcis_2.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s137/paulrogers316/mcis_3.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s137/paulrogers316/mcis_4.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s137/paulrogers316/mcis_5.jpg

Looks pretty legit to me.

Also, regardless of sellers return policy, eBay enforces a 45 day return policy. Keep that in mind.

[rosenkreuzer]

my copy is 14762. no lines.