[AlienCloak]

I don't know where to go from here. Just discuss.

[Liquid_Peppermint]

Interesting.

[AsRomeBurns]

then it wouldn't be one of the best selling double albums of all time

[AlienCloak]

Here's how I would release the 4-song 11 EPs:


-Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
-Tonight, Tonight
-Thirty-Three
-In the Arms of Sleep

-Meladori Magpie
-Rotten Apples
-Jupiter's Lament
-Medellia of the Gray Skies

-Set the Ray to Jerry
-To Forgive
-The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)
-Transformer

-Bullet with Butterfly Wings
-Here Is No Why
-Pennies
-Muzzle

-Thru the Eyes of Ruby
-Galapogos
-Porcelina of the Vast Oceans
-Take Me Down

-God
-Mouths of Babes
-Tribute to Johnny
-Marquis in Spades

-1979
-Beautiful
-Cupid de Locke
-Ugly

-Where Boys Fear to Tread
-Zero
-An Ode to No One
-Love

-Jellybelly
-Bodies
-Tales of a Scorched Earth
-X.Y.U.

-We Only Come Out at Night
-Stumbleine
-Lily (My One and Only)
-By Starlight

-Cherry
-Blank
-The Last Song
-Farewell and Goodnight

[mattsevrens]

why would you group them by sound? wouldnt you want really different sounding tracks on one ep?

[AlienCloak]

Every EP has a theme. That's kind of how it is on vinyl.

[Mayfair]

vinyl is themed. songs are grouped by sound.

[Trizesta]

Yeah...I always hated that about vinyl...

[Mayfair]

i didn't mean vinyl in general. i mean BC personally resequenced the tracks on the MCIS records together to make it a theme.


and how could you hate the MCIS triple LP tracklist? its WAY better than the CD version.

[ae37jr]

Here's how I would release the 4-song 11 EPs:
-Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
-Tonight, Tonight
-Thirty-Three
-In the Arms of Sleep

-Meladori Magpie
-Rotten Apples
-Jupiter's Lament
-Medellia of the Gray Skies

I don't think the album would have been as successful if it had this track order and released one at a time. The first song has to set the tone or else nobody(main stream music fans) would care. Imagine us waiting here since Halloween and the first song to TBK was a piano instrumental that wasn't even 3 minutes long. Then we had to wait 3 weeks for another. People would go nuts and critics would be like WTF. I do agree with Tonight x2 and 33, but I'd have them 1 and 2 instead of 2 and 3.

From there I totally disagree. Nothing against the Tonight x2 B-sides, but they are B-sides in every sense of the word. Coming off of Siamese Dream I think you'd need a heavier song near the front also. The way it's listed above, there are 8 acoustic-y songs in a row. That's a good 5-6 months into the project without playing the style of music that made SD a success. Maybe headline the second EP with BWBW, Zero, or Muzzle. Also you'd have to think about individual EP sales. Not many people would buy an overpriced EP to hear the Tonight x2 B-sides.

[AlienCloak]

I realize the b-sides on EP2 are weak, but I just wanted enough songs to total to 44. I wasn't going to use the cover songs from the BWBW single. And I guess you could rearrange the 4th EP I have listen as the second, and the 8th as the 3rd.

[Mayfair]

Nothing against the Tonight x2 B-sides, but they are B-sides in every sense of the word.

they were good enough to be on the record. especially Meladori.

[gyang333]

well Virgin would have been on his ass for falling so behind on his release date.

[ae37jr]

they were good enough to be on the record. especially Meladori.

I agree that any one of them would have been good enough to be on MCIS, sprinkled in here or there. But to put those songs on one EP, especially early on, in a project like TBK would take a lot of steam out the business end of making a record(ie Adore). It may not be you or I, but there are a ton of fans out there who only wanted to hear the Pumpkins play alternative "rock" songs back then. Strictly from a money stand point, there should be a mix of heavy and soft songs on each EP. This goes for TBK also. This way the people who want all the heavy songs need to buy every EP, Same for those who like the softer stuff.

As for me, you could put the shuffle on random and I'd love it no matter what the order, I'm just talking about selling the record to non/casual fans. Even though it's free for all, Billy is still trying to make a buck.

[dgreenwolf]

I don't think ALL the b-sides (in Aeroplane) were Mellon Collie worthy material. I still love all of the b-sides, don't get me wrong. The way all the material was released and grouped together (double-CD format with the Aeroplane box set) just worked for me. I still need to give the vinyl track order a try... but I'm hesitant to because I'm so used to the double CD order, and I enjoy it very much.

I don't think Mellon Collie would've made it released one song at a time. It's been mentioned by others that some of the songs on the album wouldn't be able to stand up on their own, and I agree. I think there are a few songs that're too fragile (for lack of a better word), and they need the songs around them to pull everything together. You can think of an album as one of those crazy slides at a water park. It has different twists and turns but no one twist or turn makes the water slide... or something like that.

It makes me think that the new songs will be more single-worthy. Like Billy's keeping it in the back of his mind that each song is going to be scrutinized like crazy and people won't be able to skip on to the next track if they don't like it right away. So each song will have to be pretty readily likable.

[gordonfreeman]

I think a good amount of songs on Aeroplane should have been put on MC making it 3 discs.

For me personally I really really liked the following:

1.Cherry
2. Set the Ray to Jerry
3. Mouth of Babes
4. Marquis in Spades
5. Jupiters Lament

And many others but those are some of my favorites.

Also, I know practically speaking a 3 CD set is unheard of but this would have been my ideal scenario.

[RottingApples]

Speed and Towers of Rabble are absent? For shame...

But yeah, while it remains to be seen whether Mellon Collie could've worked one song at a time, it would've had a much better chance if each EP was varied in styles. Set the Ray to Jerry and Fuck You on the same EP. Stuff like that.

[Trizesta]

how could you hate the MCIS triple LP tracklist? its WAY better than the CD version.

I'm just one of those people who connect with the CD tracklisting, that's all. I really couldn't get into to the album's "journey" when listening to the vinyl arrangement. I'll even go as far as to say MCIS's CD arrangement is part of what makes me feel it's the world's greatest album!

[pumpkinpenchant]

i think you're trying to make a point. is that right, Alien Cloak?

but, it's alluding me at the moment.

[killer_in_me]

Some of you guys can be real jerks sometimes. I mean that in the nicest possible way...

But seriously, you gotta give AlienCloak some credit for thinking outta the box here. We're all getting so f-ing bored waiting for the new stuff it's nice to see someone fill the void with some interesting and related conversation.

As for the topic at hand, it's still got me thinking. Thats how intriguing a question it was! Thanks for making my mind work for a change.

[KidCorgan]

Vinyl track listing > cd track listing

This is definitely an interesting topic. Honestly, overall I think MCIS would have worked well in the Teargarden format. It took me a very long time to listen to every MCIS song as much as it deserved to be listened to. It's such a dense masterpiece.

[AlienCloak]

i think you're trying to make a point. is that right, Alien Cloak?

but, it's alluding me at the moment.

In what order would YOU release Mellon Collie if it were to be released one song at a time?

[paulandgemm]

In what order would YOU release Mellon Collie if it were to be released one song at a time?

here goes;

bullet...
tonight, tonight
thirty three
porcellina

sorry, thats as far as i got!!!

kinda thinking along of the lines of this upcoming e.p. (astral planes, widow, stitch and song for a son.)

[ae37jr]

I'll give it a shot since I'm one of the jerks
I just used the MCIS and TAFH songs, minus the covers and 4 of James' songs. So if anyone is upset that I'm missing one of the demo's, go yell at Billy for not including it in an official release. EP #3 and #5 might have a hard time selling, but I guess you'll have one or two like that no matter how you track it.

EP #1
"Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" /"Tonight, Tonight"
"Jellybelly"
"Zero"
"Galapogos" /"Tonite Reprise" 

I feel the first EP in a project like this is huge. It has to set the tone for the whole album. So I tried to squeeze in as much as I could, while still leaving some singles for later on. I cheated a little and used MCIS and Tonite Reprise as sort of hidden tracks. This gives the opening EP more minutes and the listener a larger introduction of what's to come.

EP #2
"Bullet with Butterfly Wings"
"Tribute to Johnny"
"Ugly"
"God"

EP#3
"Cupid de Locke"
"Love"
"Rotten Apples"
"In the Arms of Sleep"

EP#4
"Here Is No Why"
"Transformer"
"1979"
"Take Me Down"

EP#5
"Tales of a Scorched Earth"
"Mouths of Babes"
"Pennies"
"The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)"

EP#6
"Stumbleine"
"Meladori Magpie"
"Set the Ray to Jerry"
"Muzzle"

EP#7
"Porcelina of the Vast Oceans"
"Marquis in Spades"
"Blank"
"Bodies"

EP#8
"Beautiful"
"Where Boys Fear to Tread"
"Cherry"
"To Forgive"

EP#9
"Medellia of the Gray Skies"
"Thirty-Three"
"Lily (My One and Only)"
"Fuck You (An Ode to No One)"

EP#10
"We Only Come Out at Night"
"Jupiter's Lament"
"X.Y.U."
"By Starlight"

EP#11
"Thru the Eyes of Ruby"
"The Last Song"
"Farewell and Goodnight"
"Infinite Sadness" 

[AlienCloak]

^ That's a good one.

[MisterSquishyHalo]

I don't know where to go from here. Just discuss.

God damn man, People are not even trying anymore with the threads they post lol.

[RottingApples]

Agreed...I listen to them constantly. Every single track on the Tonight Tonight single would fall in my top 25 SP songs...it is a perfect companion to Adore.

Even Blank?

[RottingApples]

Particularly Jupiter's Lament and Medellia, I could put those in my top 10 probably.

Agreed. Absolutely beautiful songs. I only have three small qualms with the Tonight Tonight single. 1.) I wish he left Meladori full band as it was in 93. Love that song, but definitely prefer the SD version of it. 2.) Wish the vox were a bit better on Tonite Reprise. A little too rough around the edges, even for Billy... and 3.) I've always wished he stuck with his original plan of releasing Towers of Rabble on the single in place of Blank. Such a shame...

[gordonfreeman]

Agreed. Absolutely beautiful songs. I only have three small qualms with the Tonight Tonight single. 1.) I wish he left Meladori full band as it was in 93. Love that song, but definitely prefer the SD version of it. 2.) Wish the vox were a bit better on Tonite Reprise. A little too rough around the edges, even for Billy... and 3.) I've always wished he stuck with his original plan of releasing Towers of Rabble on the single in place of Blank. Such a shame...

Yeah tonight reprise has such potential but the vocals sound like somebody using a branding iron on a cow with tuberculosis.