[Dusty]

If you srsly think Billy has lost the "spark" in his guitar playing, go listen to the Boston performance of Oceania right now. He plays an extended outro that just slays. According to one of the mods, he played until his fingers bled. Yeah.

[vescret]

billy has not lost his spark

[RottingApples]

pastup, on 13 March 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

Another guess of mine about the "experience" of Oceania is something maybe similar to what the webisodes have been like for the Gish and SD reissues.

I hope. That'd be really nice. A little explanation and background on the song, and a live performance. Hell, a full band live performance of the full album would be great.

I don't understand why people (here, on facebook, or anywhere) are so preoccupied with his weight. I don't see what it has to do with anything, or how it's anyone's concern.

[LostSoul]

Dusty, on 13 March 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

If you srsly think Billy has lost the "spark" in his guitar playing, go listen to the Boston performance of Oceania right now. He plays an extended outro that just slays. According to one of the mods, he played until his fingers bled. Yeah.

:rolleyes:/>

READ my post before you respond. I just fucking praised that song.

[vescret]

oh yeah you're right soul. I should have read it too haha i was too lazy

[Dusty]

Sorry, maybe I was reading into your tone. Wasn't meant as a jab; rather, I was geniunely trying to share what is in my opinion a magical redording :)/> But in my books, that song is definitely on par with anything he has ever written. And fortunately for us, he plays the solo more or less the same every time (I've checked out many shows from both legs, because I too was worried about the trasnition), so I expect it to sound the same in-studio.

(my "srsly" was supposed to signal my playfullness. I'll need a new code word now...)

[Lunatic]

Dusty, on 13 March 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

According to one of the mods, he played until his fingers bled. Yeah.

True story. I saw the drips. Also I listened to that for the first time in a couple months. It was magical.

[chemicalbehavior]

RottingApples, on 13 March 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

I don't understand why people (here, on facebook, or anywhere) are so preoccupied with his weight. I don't see what it has to do with anything, or how it's anyone's concern.

I figure that Billy being tubby is probably a good thing. It means he's eating well which means he's got cash to spend. :p/>

[andrewface]

billy rips guitar

[nasalscarecrow]

I'm glad his guitar playing is being spoken about. That last tour was full of riffs and solos.

[Raoul]

nasalscarecrow, on 13 March 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

I agree with most of that in spite of that fact that I have indeed loved several songs he's written since For Martha.

I personally enjoy many of the songs also, flaws and all. "Song for a Son" has been one of my favorite songs of any kind over the last 5 years and there are select songs from both TBK and Zeitgeist I enjoyed - but none of these fall into "music people fall in love to" . and it is this attitude he takes that totally pisses me off. Him standing there and pretty much saying " my work is here ( hand held high )", and these desperate kids work is somewhere down here ( hand held down 3 feet below previous, slightly about Jess Veronica's head ).

Like, seriously - where the fuck does this guy get off? He is talking about himself like its still 1995, that was over 15 years ago now! How long can one rest on past results and still take the high road?? Most of those bands he is talking about writing "fucking music" have still written better songs, albums and shows that he has played since 1995. The songs have more meaning than his have since 1995, they are more relevant & have more to say than his work. It's just sad and slightly pathetic to hear him telling everyone who will listen how music has became soulless and blah blah - while he himself is quite clearly part of the problem, not the solution.

shut your pie hole until your music & album is part of the solution Corgan. Oceania aint out and hasn't proven jack shit yet and your 3 albums in the 15 years since your band broke up have not impacted the world or industry one iota.

[Raoul]

Note re the above: I know i sound very vicious towards the guy, but he is just really pushing me up the wrong way with this. There are bands out there with half the talent of Billy Corgan who are writing better songs, albums and shows. The reason being they work harder at writing the best music they can, and nothing else. Billy chooses to put his finger in all these other pies - wrestling, tea houses, writing poetry books, doing stupid conferences like this - and manages to get all this stuff achieved - but totally is neglecting the thing that gave him the freedom to DO al this stuff - his music! Not only that though, he talks with an arrogance of being above these kids who are working there absolute behinds off make a career from themselves. It's very frustrating to watch anyone with such a tremendous talent wasting it on such worthless shit.

[GracefulSwan]

LostSoul, on 13 March 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

Who really gives a flying fuck about his weight? Really? He's fine as he is. He isn't deathly skinny anymore, and he isn't obese. AT ALL. So shut up.

What concerns me more than how many doughnuts he's been packing in is him releasing good music in June and regaining his integrity as a musician. As someone who despises 95% of the 2007-2011 studio output, I truly hope he does. I'd hate to see a talent like his go to waste. Because if you really think about it, he is at his peak as a guitarist. Bar the creativity factor and what he comes up with these days, he is tight as shit as far as his playing. He always has been, but think about the tours since the reformation. What is the one good thing people come up with usually? "The band was tight as hell technically speaking." "Billy & Jeff have a chemistry." "Billy played the guitar parts perfectly." Regardless of the other complaints, I've seen that more often than not.

What I am getting at is, he is at a plateau with his guitar playing. Now, if only he could get that special creative spark back, imagine what he could come up with.

Though far from the greatest things he's written, I will say this...

The opening guitar to Oceania (as well as most of the last third of the song) and the entirety of guitar in My Love Is Winter are the most interesting sounding parts he's come up with in a while. They have that special feeling that I hope is not lost in-studio. So, if he's captured the spark again...then we'll be in for a treat.

I like the idea of doing something for Oceania like he's done with the Reissue webisodes.

I agree with what you're saying. I felt that the Zwan songs were great, I don't really understand what happened between those and the Zeitgeist era, it just seemed like the songwriting dropped off a cliff. I've had Pinwheels, Oceania and My Love Is Winter on constant play, like you said there is hope for the album yet.

P.S. Who cares if he's put weight on? He was getting fat on the VH1 Storytellers vid and got skinny again and he looked chubby in the Zero and 1979 music videos.

[marquisinspades]

Raoul, on 14 March 2012 - 02:42 AM, said:

Note re the above: I know i sound very vicious towards the guy, but he is just really pushing me up the wrong way with this. There are bands out there with half the talent of Billy Corgan who are writing better songs, albums and shows. The reason being they work harder at writing the best music they can, and nothing else. Billy chooses to put his finger in all these other pies - wrestling, tea houses, writing poetry books, doing stupid conferences like this - and manages to get all this stuff achieved - but totally is neglecting the thing that gave him the freedom to DO al this stuff - his music! Not only that though, he talks with an arrogance of being above these kids who are working there absolute behinds off make a career from themselves. It's very frustrating to watch anyone with such a tremendous talent wasting it on such worthless shit.

Wow Raoul!
Before the Corgan defence league jump on your back I'll say that, on a selfish level at least, I agree with you.
That said, the nineties have gone man. We might want more drugs, relationship breakdowns, and all the other trials in life that make for great rock and roll. As they say there is no true beauty without decay. The talent never dies, but the ideas dry up or the motivation goes.
As you said, it's all teahouses and wrestling and many pies being fingered and eaten :p/>
It happens to most artists. They mellow\sell-out\change artistic direction out to some extent. I'm just happy he is still making music. If I only enjoy one track on the new lp, it'll be one more that I'll be getting from most of my favourite bands in 2012.

[R_Dorothy Wayneright]

A qualitative experience that marries the music with the visual...I'm eager to see what he has up his sleeve for Oceania, but I see nothing wrong with the standard music video, especially one that reflects a level of quality that 1979, Tonight, Thirty-three, and even Ava Adore had.

I'm all for new ideas though. I recall Billy saying in an interview once that every Pumpkins album is a leap off the edge.

[Raoul]

marquisinspades, on 14 March 2012 - 03:29 AM, said:

Wow Raoul!
Before the Corgan defence league jump on your back I'll say that, on a selfish level at least, I agree with you.
That said, the nineties have gone man. We might want more drugs, relationship breakdowns, and all the other trials in life that make for great rock and roll. As they say there is no true beauty without decay. The talent never dies, but the ideas dry up or the motivation goes.
As you said, it's all teahouses and wrestling and many pies being fingered and eaten :p/>
It happens to most artists. They mellow\sell-out\change artistic direction out to some extent. I'm just happy he is still making music. If I only enjoy one track on the new lp, it'll be one more that I'll be getting from most of my favourite bands in 2012.

This is true, and i agree. If the idea's have dried up, then its time to become humble and grow old gracefully until you have something worth crowing about. I have faith in Oceania being a great album, but seeing him talk down on an entire generation of music when he has still be at an age to be influencing that generation - give me a break.

Billy was 32 when the Smashing Pumpkins broke up in 1999-2000. This is barely an age where he should be "past it", and even thinking of leaving it "to the kids" to take over. If he was so interested in guiding rock into the new millennium -he shouldn't have sat on his ass watching wrestling video's and writing an album which no one but he wanted to here with TFE. While he sat there playing an album taht has him ticking "sounding like new order" off his bucket list ( and desperate NOT to sound like The Smashing Pumpkins, who he now claims is just him anyway ), the world was rocking to a new beat - the Strokes, The Hives, The Vines etc etc.

He has had nearly 15 years to write an album to beat the "posers" and he hasn't. Why is that? I don;t believe its the talent - so it must either be his spirit, or his work ethic.

This article sums up beautifully how the modern age thinks of Billy Corgan. If you write "Billy Corgan" into google, THIS is the first article you get on the guy

http://www.gigwise.c...over-by-poseurs

Billy Corgan: 'Music taken over by poseurs'
Smashing Pumpkins moans at fame wannabes and discusses Lana Del Rey


The Smashing Pumpkins' frontman Billy Corgan has declared that the music industry has been "taken over by poseurs".

The singer spoke out at a public address for this year's SXSW festival.

"I was part of a generation that changed the world - and it was taken over by poseurs," he said. "Artists that break through now have grown up thinking that being famous if the goal. Not to be respected - not to be dangerous."

He also commented on the rapid rise and spectacular backlash against American starlet Lana Del Rey, using her much-criticised performance at Saturday Night Live to bolster his argument. Corgan told the audience: "It doesn't surprise me that she crashed and burned, because she wasn't ready for it."

Corgan also claimed in his talk that if he were starting his career today, he would need to "set fire to myself on YouTube" to get noticed, and also compared being a breakthrough artist to being a "fresh stripper."

The Smashing Pumpkins' frontman is set to have a busy 2012, releasing the band's new album 'Oceania' later this year. This will be their first studio album since "Teargarden by Kaleidyscope" in 2009.

Meanwhile, Corgan stays busy opening Teahouses across Chicago and manages his own professional wrestling company.

...

No one gives a shit what you think about music anymore Billy, they are only interested in you because they know you will say something stupid that gives them a great headline like the above, you need a couple of great albums before that happens again buddy. For Fucks sake - this article didn't even bother to tell us WHEN Oceania comes out! Just "later this year" - they don't even consider "June" as news worthy - the only angel they went with was "Billy disses an entire generation of musicians and compares them to stripers while he sips tea and lives out a childhood fantasy with female wrestling"

You're coming across as a pompous twat who is the only person in the world who still rates you - shut it up, and be the best musician you can be THIS IS YOUR GIFT! This is what makes you a 1 in every 10 MILLION talent.

....Or just give it up and grow old gracefully, for the Pumpkins sake. I would love to see you tear the balls of the rock world again with 2 or 3 brilliant albums to prove your worth & warrant your obvious talent, but unless you have the spine to do just that, and ONLY that - you are in no position to be calling anyone a poseur.

[pastup]

If no one cares what Billy says anymore then why is everyone bent out of shape talking about it? I think what he's doing is stirring the pot trying to create some controversy and get people talking about the power music has. He's a fan of music himself and he's seen the better days of artists and music and he wants it to rise to that level again.
I liked TFE and I really like the Zwan album and Zeitgeist was not bad. I bought all 3 of those CD's. Plus Machina II. There's been a lot of good music post break up. I realize there are a lot of hard working bands around and many many really good bands as far as musicianship but... there's not much good writing in my opinion. Lyrical content that feels like it's speaking to you along with good music. Billy is still a great writer and he could cash in and write songs for other artists if he wanted to go that route. And we're all here talking about him and the upcoming album so he is relevant to today's music unless none of us are relevant I mean I assume we're all fans of new and good music and we are anxious to hear what SP has done with this new album so it's definitely relevant to music today.

[MoonPI]

^^^ @ Raoul

at least Billy can say (or I will say it) The Smashing Pumpkins will go down a legend with a legacy..they are right up there with the WELL KNOWN bands..YOU can't deny them that..EVER..

[chemicalbehavior]

So moving beyond Billy bitching about the music industry, has he made any announcements regarding the "experience" of Oceania yet?

[ShamanO]

well said pastup!

and no nothing public about the experience, if there was something out there HU or Crestfallen definitely would have reported on it and it would be all over twitter and facebook. I thought I heard Billy say in one of the interviews he can't talk about it. :scatch:/> so then how the hell are we supposed to know anything and get even more excited for this experience? OMG what if there is no experience :shocked:/> :whattodo:/>

[Fernando]

I think you guys are missing the point here (or maybe I missed)

You are talking as if only Billy / Smashing Pumpkins are suffering with the music marketing/models, and as if this was due to a supposed lack of creativity. FALSE. There's no rock band breaking the barriers of its own public today - and when that is done, it's only one or two songs, which are usually the most pop song or so called "singles". And I'm sure there are a lot of great rock albums out there! And if SD or MCIS were being released now? Would they cause the same impact? I don't think so.

1) Rock is dead. Look around, people is listening to rap and shitty pop music. There is no rock star amongst the top artists today... you can turn on your TV or your radio and all that you'll get is Divas em Rappers playing the same kind of song, singing about sex, fame, glamor, violence and how bad they are. All that is left are the indie artists, most of them are just a hype from a dumb youtube video (like, doing dances choreographed or a "smart" trick inspired by another youtube video), and even with two million views, those bands are restricted to a small group of fans who will listen to them only while they are "the next big thing" - ie, only in they first album - and then find another cool new band.

2) Vinyl and CD are dead. Without those tangible products and with the rise of the Internet and the download and ".mp3" changed everything: industry, listeners / the way to listen to music, consumers and how they acquire their music and even how they know new artists and bands. I am part of a generation that lived with vinyl and cassette and grew up buying CDs. Even for me, CDs are just a collectible article, I only buy the albums released by my favorite band and don't even listen to then that often.

Unfortunately, it's not about talent (or Billy missing his "mojo") anymore. Billy could be a successful artist if he would be happy to create just for his fans. He does not seem to be that kind of artist and he is always trying to take his art beyond, to other people, to a much bigger place. Here is the contradiction: that place is no longer opened to the rock and that kind of artist. I don't know if the fight that Billy hangs now will be entirely in vain, but I believe it is the only thing that makes him continue creating and trying to renew.

So, stop the crying! You are a part of this if you are just following the hype.

[ShamanO]

and it being about not having talent says a lot about our society.

I would like someone to show me something that is better than this in the music industry today. In my opinion there is nothing absolutely nothing new being played on the radio that can top this song or hold my interest enough to keep listening.

[awsmsc]

An observation: I think it's starting to get tough to make "new" (as in unique/innovative) music that is also good because of all the other good music that has already been made. There are only so many songs that can be made and the more music that is created, the harder it becomes to make good music that goes into uncharted territory.

[Drevpile]

ShamanO, on 14 March 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

In my opinion there is nothing absolutely nothing new being played on the radio that can top this song or hold my interest enough to keep listening.

Dear God. Please, I implore you. Seek out new music by any means - if you really can't find a single thing on the radio to warrant a full listen. For your own sanity.

[ShamanO]

Drevpile, on 14 March 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

Dear God. Please, I implore you. Seek out new music by any means - if you really can't find a single thing on the radio to warrant a full listen. For your own sanity.

whatever...I do listen to other things, I just don't report it to you.

[LostSoul]

While I agree that the music Billy has made 2007-2011 is mostly miles better than what is on the radio, I gotta agree with Drev.

I am in no way saying the output these past few years has been mind blowing, because it hasn't. Still, I'd much rather hear Tarantula or A Song For A Son gracing my ears than "Superbass", or any number of douche bag bands (3 Days Grace, Nickelback, Hinder), or scene bands.

NEVER go by what the radio plays. I haven't listened to radio for a couple years now. There is a whole slew of excellent, new music being made by fresh and renowned underground artists these days. You just have to search for it. Do what myself & others here have done. Post a thread asking for suggestions, give your musical taste/scope, and enjoy. Works wonders. Or find it yourself. Those artists deserve the recognition more so than those haunting the radio.

That is how I've been able to be so patient for this record. Because SP aren't my only thing. I have hundreds of other artists to choose from, and plenty of new releases by those artists coming forth.

[locusceruleus]

Nothing is more tedious than an artist with a sense of entitlement.

You're as good as your last album. Billy hasn't put out a great album in a decade. Putting down and deriding other artists to get headlines is the kind of insular 'cool' nonsense he used to rail against (Cherub Rock?).

Shut the fuck up and let the music do the talking. No one cares about an 'experience', no one cares what you think of modern pop. We are the vampires and we've come to feast on your songs. Feed us.

[Take92]

ShamanO, on 14 March 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

I would like someone to show me something that is better than this in the music industry today. In my opinion there is nothing absolutely nothing new being played on the radio that can top this song or hold my interest enough to keep listening.

Not to compare the two, but I think The Dear Hunter is a current band that can hold their own against just about anybody right now. This is a rare example, and not even a "major" band, but you should check 'em out if you're unfamiliar. Bands like this do exist, they're just harder to find.

[Drevpile]

locusceruleus, on 14 March 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

let the music do the talking

[chemicalbehavior]

locusceruleus, on 14 March 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

let the music do the talking.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/JoePerryProjectMusicTalking.jpg

[LostSoul]

locusceruleus, on 14 March 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Nothing is more tedious than an artist with a sense of entitlement.

You're as good as your last album. Billy hasn't put out a great album in a decade. Putting down and deriding other artists to get headlines is the kind of insular 'cool' nonsense he used to rail against (Cherub Rock?).

Shut the fuck up and let the music do the talking. No one cares about an 'experience', no one cares what you think of modern pop.

I think Zwan & TFE were quite good, though not masterpieces. I agree, however. As I stated before, if the music is good, word will travel. It will find a way. Especially with so many active & inactive fans who hope that the Pumpkins would put out another masterpiece. Not like the Pumpkins are an unknown band. Dwindling fanbase & credibility, but the legacy remains. Billy can't seem to accept that he made an "oopsie" with Zeitgeist & TbK. Just let the music flow. I'll take this 'experience' as it is, when it comes. However, I really wish he would just drop the goddam thing without the glitter & cotton candy. I could wait till whenever for Oceania, as I certainly have the patience. I just think he is going about this all wrong the more I think about it.

Oh, and this made me lol.

locusceruleus, on 14 March 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

We are the vampires and we've come to feast on your songs. Feed us.

[pastup]

awsmsc, on 14 March 2012 - 11:38 AM, said:

An observation: I think it's starting to get tough to make "new" (as in unique/innovative) music that is also good because of all the other good music that has already been made. There are only so many songs that can be made and the more music that is created, the harder it becomes to make good music that goes into uncharted territory.

good point. :cheers:/>

[astralweeks]

talking about the great music of your youth while insulting what's going on at the current time? it's what our parents did in the 80's-90's, what their parents did in the 60's-70's etc...

it's a rite of passage into middle age. and it happens, without exception, during every generation

[Raoul]

astralweeks, on 14 March 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

talking about the great music of your youth while insulting what's going on at the current time? it's what our parents did in the 80's-90's, what their parents did in the 60's-70's etc...

it's a rite of passage into middle age. and it happens, without exception, during every generation

Billy Corgan being compared with my parents now in his attitude towards music = embarrassing.

If no one else finds it pathetic that this guy has not released a significant album in 14 years yet still sits around talking about the death of the album because of the poseurs of today - seriously, this guy needs a rocket up his arse.

TFE & Zwan were quite enjoyable albums, at best - but completely insignificant in the scheme of their era's - and offered very little in the "album" experience

And to who put up Oceania and challenged everyone to find something out this generation better - are you kidding me? you obviously not even trying to open your ears if you feel like that.

The probs with big ol corperate Billy is - he still believes these bands have to be the biggest bands in the world to have a significant album ( or is finally just realizing this fact that has been obvious to the rest of the world for 10 years ), where the world and rock has moved away from that belief. Rock just lets the Gaga's & Biebers take the charts, because the charts are the most unhip thing going round these days. No one overthe age of 14 cares about singles and charts - its for fucking kids.

The bloke lived in a cave for over 6 years, came out and acted like all this shit happened over night, its been heading this way for years and people have their heads around it.
Concerts, festivals and album sales are what Rock is measured in. Bands get over $100k a gig for playing festivels - who fucking cares about album sales when you have that going for you?

[LostSoul]

:thumbsup:/>

[Simon Belmont]

Take92, on 14 March 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

Not to compare the two, but I think The Dear Hunter is a current band that can hold their own against just about anybody right now. This is a rare example, and not even a "major" band, but you should check 'em out if you're unfamiliar. Bands like this do exist, they're just harder to find.

I thought I was the only one that had heard of this band. I discovered them about a year ago on last.fm, they were recommended to me because I like The Mars Volta, which makes sense. Last.fm is a great place to discover new music, their algorithm is much better than other superficial internet radio services like Pandora. They seem to put more work into understanding where the artists come from individually, their influences, artists influences by them, who they've toured with, etc. Whereas Pandora just sees "The Smashing Pumpkins and Nickelback are both 'alternative' " or "The Clash and Blink 182 are both 'punk' " So you must like both of these bands. I can't tell you how many times I have tried to use Pandora to get a nice Cure/Smiths/Depeche Mode/Joy Division type station going, and it starts giving me You Spin Me Right Round, I Melt With You, Come On Eileen, and all that shit. Last.fm gets it. You put in The Cure, they give you Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, The Smiths, The Glove, Deftones, I've even gotten some Thursday on the Cure station, because Thursday has toured with them and lists them as a major influence.

This post has been edited by Simon Belmont: 14 March 2012 - 04:51 PM

[mayday27]

I agree, people will listen if they it's something they like

Cold play as cliche as As they have become To some I suppose, make nice sound that a lot of people enjoy hence why "grandma" knows who they are

They are surviving as a name which is I guess one of his concerns for today's modern artists

[Fernando]

Take92, on 14 March 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

Not to compare the two, but I think The Dear Hunter is a current band that can hold their own against just about anybody right now. This is a rare example, and not even a "major" band, but you should check 'em out if you're unfamiliar. Bands like this do exist, they're just harder to find.

I like The Deer Hunter, but what's the point here? They are just a small band that, even if they creat a mastarpeice, who will know about it? who will listen to it? Almost nobody, only its fan and some guys here and there.

Raoul, on 14 March 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

Billy Corgan being compared with my parents now in his attitude towards music = embarrassing. If no one else finds it pathetic that this guy has not released a significant album in 14 years yet still sits around talking about the death of the album because of the poseurs of today - seriously, this guy needs a rocket up his arse.TFE & Zwan were quite enjoyable albums, at best - but completely insignificant in the scheme of their era's - and offered very little in the "album" experience

What do you mean about "significant album"? How do you measure it? Sales? Critic reviews? Or it's just about your taste... cause I really like every album he has made (And, I think Zeitgeist, MSoTS and TFE are better than Machina).

Raoul, on 14 March 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

The probs with big ol corperate Billy is - he still believes these bands have to be the biggest bands in the world to have a significant album ( or is finally just realizing this fact that has been obvious to the rest of the world for 10 years ), where the world and rock has moved away from that belief. Rock just lets the Gaga's & Biebers take the charts, because the charts are the most unhip thing going round these days. No one overthe age of 14 cares about singles and charts - its for fucking kids.

"Rock just lets"? WTF? NO WAY. It's more about listeners than artist here. The general people are not interested in listen to something as a "concept" album anymore. Those pop albums and pop artists are only creating albums like a collection of songs, most of them single-guided - they are easy to listen to, to mutilate and put in random, to play on the radio. I don't know if people over 14 cares about those things, but those things are important for the media and so it's because of them we are listening to crap pop and rap playing massively.

Raoul, on 14 March 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

The bloke lived in a cave for over 6 years, came out and acted like all this shit happened over night, its been heading this way for years and people have their heads around it. Concerts, festivals and album sales are what Rock is measured in. Bands get over $100k a gig for playing festivels - who fucking cares about album sales when you have that going for you?

I think you are the one living in a cave for over 6 years, cause Billy is talking about those things for a LONG time now.

Raoul, on 14 March 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

Concerts, festivals and album sales are what Rock is measured in. Bands get over $100k a gig for playing festivels - who fucking cares about album sales when you have that going for you?

Who fucking cares!? He's trying to make new music, if people don't know about it, they are going to gigs only to listen to the old hits and old songs!

That's why everybody should fucking cares, I don't know if about the sales specifically, but about a way to make people find and listen to your new songs/album/whatever. That's exactly what Billy is trying to do, creating an "Oceania "Experience""... if he can make people be interested in the experience, then he will make those other things work together.

[LostSoul]

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/memes-extreme-facepalm.jpg

[TwoHeadedBoy]

nvm

[Feriluce]

You're all lunatics. <3/>

[snail33]

there is a part of me that is always holding out for new music to be made that blows me away and also captures the moment of the hip, smart, "RIGHT" music world the way it did for pretty much every year of my life from the late 70s until somewhere around the turn of the century. but it's a small part of me, the part that wishes i was still young. the part of me that sometimes falls into these daydream reveries that if i go sit in my yard on a summer day and play the cassettes i used to play out there when i was growing up, that i will be able to recapture that feeling--until i open my eyes, look around, and see that the world has changed so much that it's impossible to indulge that fantasy for very long.

mostly, i am at peace with the realization that there isn't much being made anymore in the way of new rock, pop or hip-hop music that's truly great, and the reason i am ok with it is because there is SO much great music that has already been made, between music i already know, music i haven't quite immersed myself in fully, and music i have yet to really discover in earnest. when i look to the record stores and see that there are no new record coming out that i care for, i simply redirect myself toward some album by stevie wonder or neil young or echo and the bunnymen or squeeze or van morrison or xtc or joni mitchell or fishbone or the cocteau twins or the who that i never got around to, and all of a sudden, voila! new music! i have accepted that for the rest of my life, the only albums likely to impress me enough to crack my top-however-many-of-all-time list are ones that have already been made.

[RottingApples]

ShamanO, on 14 March 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

and it being about not having talent says a lot about our society.

I would like someone to show me something that is better than this in the music industry today. In my opinion there is nothing absolutely nothing new being played on the radio that can top this song or hold my interest enough to keep listening.

Fernando, on 14 March 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

I think you are the one living in a cave for over 6 years, cause Billy is talking about those things for a LONG time now.

Then why is he still harping on it? You'd think if he's been aware and talking about it all these years now he wouldn't still be complaining.

This post has been edited by RottingApples: 14 March 2012 - 10:53 PM

[meh]

Let's look at the facts shall we?

Speaking commericially/culturally......

Gish - success
Siamese Dream - success
MCIS - success
Adore - fail
Machina - fail
MSOTS - fail
TFE - fail
Blinking with fists - fail
Zeitgeist - fail
TGBK - fail
Oceania - ? But I know what my money's on..

The fact is, the world basically forgot about billy and the pumpkins the day after Adore was released.