[Raoul]

Saw that the Lollapalooza line up was announced today - with no Pumpkins involved.

I know they haven't played the festivel for near 20 years - but i was really surprised that the band didn't try ( or manage ) to get on that line up. I know they most likely wouldn't have the pulling power anymore to be a headliner - but surely they could have found decent - strong slot in the next tier of bands?

Just seemed like the perfect time / place to play it again. Their home city where the fanbase is at its strongest, a new album being released a month before it & an album which is his best in over 15 years & is apparently polarizing everyone that hears, a near 20 year absence from the festival - the festival is ran by one of his good friends & a audience that will have a great age range to win over the old fans while possibly winning over 1000's of new ones. I can;t believe he is playing that shitty festival behind Linkin Park - but could not manage to find themselves on this???

Is it just me that this seems nuts - nuts that they wouldn['t have been asked - or even more nuts that they wouldn't have seeked it out themselves or worse - not accepted a possible slot at it. To me it had all the hallmarks of "the perfect moment" to give the band and Oceania a huge wind behind it to get things heading in the right moment. Music's like sport - you gotta make your home ground a fortress and play there as much as possible!

[FLSPNUT]

That last paragraph really got me wound up....nice job coach.

[gyang333]

Raoul, on 11 April 2012 - 12:46 AM, said:

Saw that the Lollapalooza line up was announced today - with no Pumpkins involved.

I know they haven't played the festivel for near 20 years - but i was really surprised that the band didn't try ( or manage ) to get on that line up. I know they most likely wouldn't have the pulling power anymore to be a headliner - but surely they could have found decent - strong slot in the next tier of bands?

Just seemed like the perfect time / place to play it again. Their home city where the fanbase is at its strongest, a new album being released a month before it & an album which is his best in over 15 years & is apparently polarizing everyone that hears, a near 20 year absence from the festival - the festival is ran by one of his good friends & a audience that will have a great age range to win over the old fans while possibly winning over 1000's of new ones. I can;t believe he is playing that shitty festival behind Linkin Park - but could not manage to find themselves on this???

Is it just me that this seems nuts - nuts that they wouldn['t have been asked - or even more nuts that they wouldn't have seeked it out themselves or worse - not accepted a possible slot at it. To me it had all the hallmarks of "the perfect moment" to give the band and Oceania a huge wind behind it to get things heading in the right moment. Music's like sport - you gotta make your home ground a fortress and play there as much as possible!

Billy has said that SP won't do festivals unless they are headlining, and technically that "shitty festival where they are behind Linkin Park," they are still technically headliners I think, or at least billed as headliners.

[pastup]

RHCP are headlining.

these are the main bands I'd be interested in seeing. Although some of the unknown bands are probably good. I've just never heard of them so I have no real interest in seeing em.

RHCP
Black Sabbath
Jack White
The Black Keys
At The Drive-In
sigur ros
Bloc Party
The Afghan Whigs
Santagold
Die Antwoord

Jeff The Brotherhood
Tame Impala
The War on Drugs

Band of Skulls
Dry the River

[MoreTunesMan]

pastup, on 11 April 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

RHCP are headlining.

these are the main bands I'd be interested in seeing. Although some of the unknown bands are probably good. I've just never heard of them so I have no real interest in seeing em.

RHCP
Black Sabbath
Jack White
The Black Keys
At The Drive-In
sigur ros
Bloc Party
The Afghan Whigs
Santagold
Die Antwoord

Jeff The Brotherhood
Tame Impala
The War on Drugs

Band of Skulls
Dry the River

this is me right here:

The Red Hot Chili Peppers
Jack White
Black Sabbath
The Black Keys
At The Drive-In
The Afghan Whigs
Bloc Party
Aloe Blacc
The Black Angels
Jeff the Brotherhood

as of now i have no plans to go but if SP was headlining i'd get tickets asap!

[CZR]

Maybe SP wanted to headline and they told them hell no and so that is why SP isn't playing there lol

[pastup]

Perry and Billy are probably friends. You would think that if Billy really wanted to hook it up he could have but he probably has scheduling conflicts or something. Plus Lollapalooza has always been about the newer, fresh, up and coming bands with a few bigger name headliners. I don't think SP and RHCP on the same bill would work. It would feel too retro like going back to 1994 or something.


http://www.mtv.com/v...-revealed.jhtml

[Sophie]

So far no SP on the lineup of the major french festivals either...
I've noticed The Cure, Garbage and Scorpions though as far as 'somehow-SP-related' bands are concerned.

[odracir]

Yeah, many people thought of the Pumpkins as a real possibility on boards and twitter for this Lolla, there was many gossip about it. Who knows if something was arranged but at the end just failed.

[MonteLDS]

not surprised. i don't think festivals ever make much sense for SP in the USA

In EU yes, but in the USA they can do fine on their own.

[cleric]

:what:/> :crazy:/>

[odracir]

MonteLDS, on 11 April 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:

not surprised. i don't think festivals ever make much sense for SP in the USA

In EU yes, but in the USA they can do fine on their own.

Maybe becauseI 'm from another country, but I don't get why festivals won't make sense for SP?. I see even Black Sabbath are playing, and I believe this kind of festivals in the USA are important due to two factors. Exposition to big audiences with various tastes, and the opportunity for Billy to show what he and the Pumpkins are made of against the new bands he sometimes talks about. I get that he doesn't need to expose himself like beign the new thing in this festivals, but I believe RHCP are playing too and they have a long history, a big name still today and I repeat, they will be playing. After all, Billy wants to bring his Pumpkins to the level of beign recognized as a band that is here to stay and beyond, right?. To me seems festivals like Lolla exactly the place or platform for that.

[ShamanO]

http://www.avclub.co...y-corgan,13939/

Quote

O: The Pumpkins headlined Lollapalooza in 1994, which was one of the last times that alt-rock still felt important, powerful, and promising. Was that summer a daunting time for you?

BC: Yes, totally overwhelming. Particularly, Lollapalooza was very difficult for me, because I was sort of still on the idealism that the world was going to change, however naïve that was. And playing in front of 42 crowds on that tour and realizing that the mainstream was just going to pervert this thing for what they wanted it for. It was a temporary flirtation. I think it was similar for the people of the '60s—I don't think '90s music was as significant as '60s music in terms of changing the world, but it was significant, and I think it was similarly disillusioning when you realize the mainstream just views it as like a curiosity. They're not really getting it. They're there with their khakis and their beer, and they want to hear the hit—that's really not about changing things. That was very hard for me to see, and I think I dealt with that period of my life pretty poorly, because it pissed me off. I thought, "Wow, here's a great chance, and it's just the same shit." And it's proven pretty much to be true. Alternative music has been co-opted by the mainstream; it's now used in commercials, and everybody's got their cuddly, cute, funny looks. It's what the mainstream does—they absorb things and they blunt the power of it. And so the next generation and the next generation has to become more shocking and more provocative in order to get any rise out of anybody.

[odracir]

But that doesn't explain anything. If that is so, why is he playing in such a big commercial festival like Rock in Rio where everyone is going to just expect the hits?.
I mean those are the commentaries of how a young Corgan discovered how "the real thing is not that real" as many once discovered in the 60's with Woodstock and whatnot, but I don't see Billy saying there something like - "... and that's why I won't be part of any Lollapalooza for the rest of my whole life".

[pastup]

The Black Keys and Jack White and the Chili Peppers are huge so it's not like they have to play festivals because they need the money. I mean I'm sure they do as well or better in the US as the pumpkins do.

What's wrong with khakis and beer? Billy appreciates baseball and it's way more "Khakis and beer" than Lollapalooza ever was. I don't know what he was expecting to see in the audiences? More goth kids?

[ShamanO]

all I did was post this quote by him from an old interview since it mentioned Lollapalooza. I did not say anything about the post.

[werideatdusk]

Everyone always thinks the Pumpkins will play Lollapalooza. I hope it never happens. The worse way to see music in Chicago. There are plenty of great venues here in which they could get across the 'oceania experience' and a big sweaty field crowded with loud nincompoops and three other bands playing in earshot is not one of them!

[Raoul]

gyang333, on 11 April 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

Billy has said that SP won't do festivals unless they are headlining, and technically that "shitty festival where they are behind Linkin Park," they are still technically headliners I think, or at least billed as headliners.

If that is true - thats just stupid. Why would you prefer to "technically" headline a shitty festival than play a secondary role in a genuine grand slam one? Thats like a tennis player preferring to win the Leg Mason Washington Classic than get to the semi finals of Wimbledon?

Surely whats best for your career and development is more important than a meaningless trophy or your ego. If Billy wants to win over new fans - it ain't going to be on radio - its going to the be getting in the ears of the millions ( & possibly billion ) of kids that go to music festivals around the world every year?? If Billy could get some decent slots at the big ones - and worry about singing at his best, playing the best songs for the crowd, & not his mood - surely this is the most logical way for the band to win back respect and old/mnew fans alike?

And if they were unable to stir up a frenzied crowd in their home city - then surely they are fucked either way???

[astralweeks]

pastup, on 11 April 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

RHCP are headlining.

these are the main bands I'd be interested in seeing. Although some of the unknown bands are probably good. I've just never heard of them so I have no real interest in seeing em.

RHCP
Black Sabbath
Jack White
The Black Keys
At The Drive-In
sigur ros
Bloc Party
The Afghan Whigs
Santagold
Die Antwoord

Jeff The Brotherhood
Tame Impala
The War on Drugs

Band of Skulls
Dry the River

The War on Drugs..

good call. that's the best band on the entire bill.

[aztec_litany_service]

i hate paying shittons of money just to stand around at a festival all day waiting to see one band. and you will stand around longer than you really want to, to try to get your money's worth. 2-3 hrs is really enough music for me, i don't have that level of endurance anymore for live music.

[Dusty]

To be honest, I don't think Billy likes playing festivals. I bet he could have headlined Lolla if he wanted to, but he wants his lights and his interludes. They played a ton of fest dates on the '10 tour, and they were in poor economic circumstances. It seems like a last-ditch, we need publicity/recognition move, and with the positive reaction to the last tour, I just don't think the band is in that place.

[breathesgelatin]

My opinion is that the Pumpkins were in talks to play Lolla, but it didn't work out this year. Who knows why - could have been the money wasn't right, could have been the mix of bands that Lolla needed/wanted to get, or other misgivings that Corgan/the band had. But I'm almost convinced that the possibility was on the table.

I think they will eventually play Lolla again, assuming the band doesn't break up or Corgan doesn't fall out with Perry Farrell. The festival is based in CHICAGO now and Corgan is friends with Farrell - it's bound to happen.

[hotoriousDICK]

he may be friends with farrel but that won't say much. cuz i don't think he hasn't done Lolla since 94 and due to bad experiences - granted that was a TOURING festival at the time - he won't do it any time soon. I don't think SP's played an american festival yet/since, have they?

[Lunatic]

hotoriousDICK, on 11 April 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

he may be friends with farrel but that won't say much. cuz i don't think he hasn't done Lolla since 94 and due to bad experiences - granted that was a TOURING festival at the time - he won't do it any time soon. I don't think SP's played an american festival yet/since, have they?

Major festival? No. Smaller festival? Yes.

[ShamanO]

hotoriousDICK, on 11 April 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

he may be friends with farrel but that won't say much. cuz i don't think he hasn't done Lolla since 94 and due to bad experiences - granted that was a TOURING festival at the time - he won't do it any time soon. I don't think SP's played an american festival yet/since, have they?

didn't he get glow sticks thrown at him at some outdoor concert a few years back in the south? not sure if that was a festival

[Raoul]

hotoriousDICK, on 11 April 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

he may be friends with farrel but that won't say much. cuz i don't think he hasn't done Lolla since 94 and due to bad experiences - granted that was a TOURING festival at the time - he won't do it any time soon. I don't think SP's played an american festival yet/since, have they?

It sometimes feel like that Billy is the only person who hasn't gotten over the things that happened in 1994. It's been nearly 20 years since he played - if this is the case, he needs to get the fuck over it.

He keeps complaining about how bands have to pose or let themselves be raped to get exposure these days. He craps on about fans not even bothering to repost things on facebook & twitter he writes - as if that is the thing that is going to save rock n roll.

...meanwhile - music festivals are taking over the world. Kids in the millions pay a fortune 3-4 times a year to attend -to hear the bands they love, but to also hear the music of now. Who knows if Billy was offered a spot, but my opinion is - if he can't see the value of putting the band in a major BIGTIME festival ( Lollapalooza, Coachella, The Big Day Out, Splendour in the Grass, Reading etc ), but wants to be critical of fans today for not re-posting his crappy post on their facebooks and twitters - he is possibly the worst band manager in the history of wannabe band managers.

The best thing in terms of publicity any band can do these days is major festivals - any idiot can see that. He should be on his knee's trying to tea that up for the 4 months before and after Oceania's release if he wants to get it out there

[Sophie]

MonteLDS, on 11 April 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:

not surprised. i don't think festivals ever make much sense for SP in the USAIn EU yes, but in the USA they can do fine on their own.

I hope you're not suggesting that the band can't do fine in Europe and that we won't be granted with a proper Oceania tour because from what has leaked so far it seems that it's going to be huge!

pastup, on 11 April 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

I don't know what he was expecting to see in the audiences? More goth kids?

Do you think he now expects more 30 to 40 year old goth kids? ;)/>

Raoul, on 11 April 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

If Billy wants to win over new fans - it ain't going to be on radio - its going to the be getting in the ears of the millions ( & possibly billion ) of kids that go to music festivals around the world every year?? If Billy could get some decent slots at the big ones - and worry about singing at his best, playing the best songs for the crowd, & not his mood - surely this is the most logical way for the band to win back respect and old/mnew fans alike?

I kind of agree with that, especially since Billy seemed reluctant to release a single (which is of course the main ingredient required for heavy rotation on the radio), and since the band wants the album to be a huge experience, and wants to take the audience to a journey, distance itself from the others, etc. It's good call if you succeed in drawing the attention of the audience once on stage.

[.absof.]

Dusty, on 11 April 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

I bet he could have headlined Lolla if he wanted to...

No way could SP headline Lolla at this moment in time. :eyebrow:/>

Raoul, on 11 April 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

It sometimes feel like that Billy is the only person who hasn't gotten over the things that happened in 1994. It's been nearly 20 years since he played - if this is the case, he needs to get the fuck over it...

...meanwhile - music festivals are taking over the world. Kids in the millions pay a fortune 3-4 times a year to attend -to hear the bands they love, but to also hear the music of now. Who knows if Billy was offered a spot, but my opinion is - if he can't see the value of putting the band in a major BIGTIME festival ( Lollapalooza, Coachella, The Big Day Out, Splendour in the Grass, Reading etc ), but wants to be critical of fans today for not re-posting his crappy post on their facebooks and twitters - he is possibly the worst band manager in the history of wannabe band managers.

The best thing in terms of publicity any band can do these days is major festivals - any idiot can see that. He should be on his knee's trying to tea that up for the 4 months before and after Oceania's release if he wants to get it out there

It doesn't make sense for them to not be involved in festivals. Heaps of exposure to casual listeners.

Being in the middle of the bill would also be a lower pressure situation imo.

[HypnoRaygun]

astralweeks, on 11 April 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

The War on Drugs..

good call. that's the best band on the entire bill.

I guess they aren't really "The War on Drugs" anymore.. There has been a lineup change, so I guess they are "The War on Drugs 2"..? (sarcasm)

"The lineup underwent several changes, and by the end of 2008, Kurt Vile, Charlie Hall, and Kyle Lloyd had all exited the group. At that time Granduciel and Hartley were joined by drummer Mike Zanghi. After Zanghi's exit in 2010, Steven Urgo took over drum duties and Robbie Bennett joined on keys." via WikiAlwaysthetruthPedia

Also, I saw SP at Forecastle Festival in Louisville, KY (about two years ago) and they killed it. They were a headliner, so maybe that had something to do with why they played it, but Billy seemed to really enjoy it. It was great. No idea about Lollapalooza. ?

[breathesgelatin]

I think Billy's previous objections to Lolla are more dealing with it being a touring festival (Said sort of implied this as well). I can't see Billy ever doing something like that again. Of course, how many touring festivals are left these days? The trend is toward weekend festivals.

He will play Lolla if the money/timing/PR is right.

[Raoul]

breathesgelatin, on 12 April 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

I think Billy's previous objections to Lolla are more dealing with it being a touring festival (Said sort of implied this as well). I can't see Billy ever doing something like that again. Of course, how many touring festivals are left these days? The trend is toward weekend festivals.

He will play Lolla if the money/timing/PR is right.

'
Its not a touring festival anymore though - the line up in chicago compared to the south america shows is completely different. they are pretty much different festivals using the lollapalooza brand

[breathesgelatin]

Raoul, on 12 April 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

'
Its not a touring festival anymore though - the line up in chicago compared to the south america shows is completely different. they are pretty much different festivals using the lollapalooza brand

Duh.

[lucciola]

Raoul, on 11 April 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

It sometimes feel like that Billy is the only person who hasn't gotten over the things that happened in 1994. It's been
...meanwhile - music festivals are taking over the world. Kids in the millions pay a fortune 3-4 times a year to attend -to hear the bands they love, but to also hear the music of now. Who knows if Billy was offered a spot, but my opinion is - if he can't see the value of putting the band in a major BIGTIME festival ( Lollapalooza, Coachella, The Big Day Out, Splendour in the Grass, Reading etc ), but wants to be critical of fans today for not re-posting his crappy post on their facebooks and twitters - he is possibly the worst band manager in the history of wannabe band managers.

The best thing in terms of publicity any band can do these days is major festivals - any idiot can see that. He should be on his knee's trying to tea that up for the 4 months before and after Oceania's release if he wants to get it out there

What is the problem here, I wonder? Ego? Money? Fear of failure? I can't decide.

[beep beep]

Fear of failure with money and ego weighing in also.


Whoever said, "if they can't stir up a crowd in their hometown, they're doomed" is right on. And Billy has to have thought the same thing. And while he also said, "(Oceania) is the make it or break it album," this just highlights the fact that BC is super aware of how irrelevant SP is bordering at this juncture.

After all the hype BC has put forth w/ Oceania, if they performed mid-bill on Lolla in Chicago and got harsh reviews... that would probably send him over the edge.

[Raoul]

beep beep, on 12 April 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

Fear of failure with money and ego weighing in also.


Whoever said, "if they can't stir up a crowd in their hometown, they're doomed" is right on. And Billy has to have thought the same thing. And while he also said, "(Oceania) is the make it or break it album," this just highlights the fact that BC is super aware of how irrelevant SP is bordering at this juncture.

After all the hype BC has put forth w/ Oceania, if they performed mid-bill on Lolla in Chicago and got harsh reviews... that would probably send him over the edge.

it's a hard one as none of us even know if they were approached at all.

If they were and he refused i would be very disappointed. When things get to "make or break" stage - its time to pull out the bollocks and whack them on the table and tell the world "HERE! This is all i got! Now you can either step on them or suck them off - your choice - Either way i;m going to go for the win!"

Then you just pray they don't laugh at your bollocks - or worse - step on them :drama:/>

[pastup]

:rofl:/>