[JOHNO]

just want to know if a physical copy of Oceania is going to be released in june i.e cd, vinyl etc...

any info would be much appreciated.


cheers x

[Raoul]

JOHNO, on 17 March 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

just want to know if a physical copy of Oceania is going to be released in june i.e cd, vinyl etc...

any info would be much appreciated.


cheers x

nothing confirmed, but you would imagine so

[Sophie]

I don't have many details on the physical releases (CD, Vinyl?, box set?...) but Monte said this in a previous post.
I definitely hope there's going to be a 12" LP of Oceania (fingers crossed).

MonteLDS, on 28 February 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

UPDATE: For any fans worried about this being a pure digital release, Crestfallen.com has learned it will have a traditional physically released and that the marketing side will be different than normal.

[Raoul]

Sophie, on 18 March 2012 - 01:34 AM, said:

I don't have many details on the physical releases (CD, Vinyl?, box set?...) but Monte said this in a previous post.
I definitely hope there's going to be a 12" LP of Oceania (fingers crossed).

Yeah im only going to buy it if its on vinyl - cd is a waste of space these days. It's either the convenience of the mp3 and ipod, or the quality and heartbeat of the vinyl. Not wasting another penny on cd ever again.

[GracefulSwan]

Raoul, on 18 March 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

Yeah im only going to buy it if its on vinyl - cd is a waste of space these days. It's either the convenience of the mp3 and ipod, or the quality and heartbeat of the vinyl. Not wasting another penny on cd ever again.

Why is a CD a waste of space but a vinyl LP isn't? I know hipsters like to pretend they have superior sound quality, but what are the other advantages?

[Songwriter]

IMO, I say, if a person wants a cd, why can't there be an avenue to buy it through SPRC and that way it could be a special thing that way? Then Billy and Company can sell the album through digital and LP means through a wider scope, ie; stores, itunes and the like. That's just an idea i thought of a while back.

[AndyToe]

If there werent physical versions, why would they even bother to release it?

[MonteLDS]

if anyone doesn't know Billy is really into a physical items, namely vinyls. I highly suspect Oceania will be available in all sorts of traditional media formats.

But as stated I do know it is going come on in a physical form, just not sure which one(s).

[awsmsc]

I'm guessing we'll get online download (for ~$10) and vinyl (for ~$30) when it comes out, and then the CD form at regular price a couple months later after all the reviews get out and build interest in the album. I don't see a CD release happening at first.

[snail33]

GracefulSwan, on 18 March 2012 - 03:39 AM, said:

Why is a CD a waste of space but a vinyl LP isn't? I know hipsters like to pretend they have superior sound quality, but what are the other advantages?

1. they do have superior sound quality. i'm not a hipster.

2. they're MUCH cooler (bigger, more intuitive to interact with, "warmer" in an emotional sense).

3. colored vinyl/picture discs/collectability/etc

it's hard to really "explain"--either you get and feel why records are cooler, or you don't. when cd's came around, they were supposed to sound better than anything and they were portable in a way records weren't. but now with mp3s and ipods, those perks are redundant, so records have regained their cachet.

[Take92]

snail33, on 18 March 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

1. they do have superior sound quality. i'm not a hipster.

2. they're MUCH cooler (bigger, more intuitive to interact with, "warmer" in an emotional sense).

3. colored vinyl/picture discs/collectability/etc

it's hard to really "explain"--either you get and feel why records are cooler, or you don't. when cd's came around, they were supposed to sound better than anything and they were portable in a way records weren't. but now with mp3s and ipods, those perks are redundant, so records have regained their cachet.

I do have an iPod, but it absolutely does not replace my CDs. It's for rare occasions like road trips or plane rides. MP3s sound like asshole. I can bring CDs with me all the time. They sound better. I cannot do that with a stack of vinyl, and that's the main reason why I only have a couple records in my collection.

"MUCH cooler" is completely subjective. The experience is somewhat more interactive, but the format severely limits my listening choices (and I wouldn't consider that a benefit). I'm all in favor of Oceania, and any major release, being issued in vinyl, CD and digital formats. They are three specific demographics and it's the only way to reach all of them.

[Lunatic]

Yes.

[CoolAsIceCream]

snail33, on 18 March 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

1. they do have superior sound quality. i'm not a hipster.

2. they're MUCH cooler (bigger, more intuitive to interact with, "warmer" in an emotional sense).

3. colored vinyl/picture discs/collectability/etc

it's hard to really "explain"--either you get and feel why records are cooler, or you don't. when cd's came around, they were supposed to sound better than anything and they were portable in a way records weren't. but now with mp3s and ipods, those perks are redundant, so records have regained their cachet.

^ lol!
hipster talk!

[AndyToe]

I buy CD's, Rip them and listen to the MP3s, AAC's or OGGs. I never ever listen to the physical product and I'll never pay for a digital album as long as they cost pretty much the same as the CD.
I used to buy vinyls, then realised they're a waste of money and am currently selling them off

This post has been edited by AndyToe: 19 March 2012 - 12:26 PM

[StarsAtHome]

I want Oceania on 8-track. Is it possible?

[MonteLDS]

StarsAtHome, on 19 March 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

I want Oceania on 8-track. Is it possible?

For the right amount of money it is!

[Ghostchild]

StarsAtHome, on 19 March 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

I want Oceania on 8-track. Is it possible?

I'd like to see it visually represented in cave drawings.

[amu1167]

StarsAtHome, on 19 March 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

I want Oceania on 8-track. Is it possible?

I want to see the IMAX 3D rock-opera version. :p/>

[Raoul]

Take92, on 18 March 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

I do have an iPod, but it absolutely does not replace my CDs. It's for rare occasions like road trips or plane rides. MP3s sound like asshole. I can bring CDs with me all the time. They sound better. I cannot do that with a stack of vinyl, and that's the main reason why I only have a couple records in my collection.

"MUCH cooler" is completely subjective. The experience is somewhat more interactive, but the format severely limits my listening choices (and I wouldn't consider that a benefit). I'm all in favor of Oceania, and any major release, being issued in vinyl, CD and digital formats. They are three specific demographics and it's the only way to reach all of them.

I have around 27000 MP3's, 1100 cds & 800 vinyls. I haven;t brought a stand alone cd in about two years, as it became obvious to me its pointless. This is of course my personal opinion as this suits my situation just fine.

My personal thoughts are that vinyls sound quality is much more real, warm and life like. Instruments sound pure. Electronic things sound more organic. Drums sound like they have more snap - and every instrument can be deciphered, followed and marveled at. The difference between cd and MP3 is noticeable - but not as noticeable as the difference between vinyl and cd.

I still buy music very often, perhaps 1 a week? But cd, never. I recently brought 5 massive cd folders and put the covers and the cd in them in alphabetical order - put the back covers in a box - and the cases in the bin ( this ended up filling around 4 garbage bins and i doubt my neighbours will ever decide to leave their bins out in the street again when its not "bin night". The reason i did this was - they were just not being used, took up way too much space - and no longer hold any value to me. I keep them only because to sell would only be slightly better than throwing them out. My entire music collections lives on my computer & Ipod. But all my musical moments live on vinyl and get played daily - and at a volume that once again would not endear me to my neighbours.

When loud, vinyl's beauty is obvious. The only thing that beats it is seeing the band live - and pending on the act and the venue - this is even debatable. I definitely didn't do it to out on any hipster attempt, althouh i am very hip. This very well could be a "chicken & the egg" debate to which came first, and the answer would always be " me" ;)/>

The ideal musical situation for me is a world where an amazingly massive library of music lives on a online website - completely covering near everything from the last 80 years of music in MP3 format, and able to be purchased for approximately $2 an album ( or even better, an annual fee which enables you to download 10, 20, 50 or a 100 albums a month - free besides the slanted annual fee ). Then pending how i feel about that album after i have listened to it a few times through my headphones and IPOD, I can decide if this album has genuine merit - or is just another album which will be forgotten after a few months. If its good, i will spend $30 on a vinyl for it, no question. I will happily do this on a weekly basis, as long as the good tunes keep turning up on my Ipod.

The idea of music albums being sold for $2 may seem absurd, but only once you actually compare this to the fact that, realistically - they are available free on the internet to anyone who knows how to use google & type the word "torrent". The question is then - why would anyone pay $2 for an album then if its available for free. Well, if i honestly believe that people have now became so pedantic about online filing & archiving that people would happily pay $2 and album if they knew all the albums, bands & tracks would be named correctly, with all the proper "Year Release" and "producer" fields also in the file - along with the album cover art included. Also knowing it is legal, supporting the artist & not going to contain and trojans or other nasty bugs would be a bonus. I also think that the level of importance to the client happens in that order.

$2 would not sound like a lot of money until you take into account that an estimate of 1.2 BILLION songs were downloaded illegally in 2010 - in the UNITED KINGDOM ALONE. I am unsure to what that number is currently - but the number had rapidly climbed every year before that - and once you take into account that this number only takes into account a small part of Europe - and zero of Asia, Australia, United States, South America & Africa - the total bumber of songs downloaded illeglally worldwide could be anything as ridiculous as 15 - 20 billion per year - the equivilant of over 1 billion albums.

These numbers prove that the interest in music is as hot today as ever - as does the number of sold out festivals on a weekly basis world wide. it SHOULD be making a shitload of money from this - but the price is too high. The industry needs to learn that music has became a very dispensable product ( due to them flooding the market - and "old stock" holding interest and value ). I am sure that if the industry started selling digital downloads at a fanstically cheap price - then started focusing releasing music on either vinyl or high quality "Blu Ray" sound - the "war on piracy" would be over. People still want to buy music - but they are only willing to pay for "the best quality possible" or they want it for "pratically free". This is why i think cd is dead.

[Take92]

Raoul, on 20 March 2012 - 05:11 AM, said:

I have around 27000 MP3's, 1100 cds & 800 vinyls. I haven;t brought a stand alone cd in about two years, as it became obvious to me its pointless. This is of course my personal opinion as this suits my situation just fine.

My personal thoughts are that vinyls sound quality is much more real, warm and life like. Instruments sound pure. Electronic things sound more organic. Drums sound like they have more snap - and every instrument can be deciphered, followed and marveled at. The difference between cd and MP3 is noticeable - but not as noticeable as the difference between vinyl and cd.

I still buy music very often, perhaps 1 a week? But cd, never. I recently brought 5 massive cd folders and put the covers and the cd in them in alphabetical order - put the back covers in a box - and the cases in the bin ( this ended up filling around 4 garbage bins and i doubt my neighbours will ever decide to leave their bins out in the street again when its not "bin night". The reason i did this was - they were just not being used, took up way too much space - and no longer hold any value to me. I keep them only because to sell would only be slightly better than throwing them out. My entire music collections lives on my computer & Ipod. But all my musical moments live on vinyl and get played daily - and at a volume that once again would not endear me to my neighbours.

When loud, vinyl's beauty is obvious. The only thing that beats it is seeing the band live - and pending on the act and the venue - this is even debatable. I definitely didn't do it to out on any hipster attempt, althouh i am very hip. This very well could be a "chicken & the egg" debate to which came first, and the answer would always be " me" ;)/>

The ideal musical situation for me is a world where an amazingly massive library of music lives on a online website - completely covering near everything from the last 80 years of music in MP3 format, and able to be purchased for approximately $2 an album ( or even better, an annual fee which enables you to download 10, 20, 50 or a 100 albums a month - free besides the slanted annual fee ). Then pending how i feel about that album after i have listened to it a few times through my headphones and IPOD, I can decide if this album has genuine merit - or is just another album which will be forgotten after a few months. If its good, i will spend $30 on a vinyl for it, no question. I will happily do this on a weekly basis, as long as the good tunes keep turning up on my Ipod.

The idea of music albums being sold for $2 may seem absurd, but only once you actually compare this to the fact that, realistically - they are available free on the internet to anyone who knows how to use google & type the word "torrent". The question is then - why would anyone pay $2 for an album then if its available for free. Well, if i honestly believe that people have now became so pedantic about online filing & archiving that people would happily pay $2 and album if they knew all the albums, bands & tracks would be named correctly, with all the proper "Year Release" and "producer" fields also in the file - along with the album cover art included. Also knowing it is legal, supporting the artist & not going to contain and trojans or other nasty bugs would be a bonus. I also think that the level of importance to the client happens in that order.

$2 would not sound like a lot of money until you take into account that an estimate of 1.2 BILLION songs were downloaded illegally in 2010 - in the UNITED KINGDOM ALONE. I am unsure to what that number is currently - but the number had rapidly climbed every year before that - and once you take into account that this number only takes into account a small part of Europe - and zero of Asia, Australia, United States, South America & Africa - the total bumber of songs downloaded illeglally worldwide could be anything as ridiculous as 15 - 20 billion per year - the equivilant of over 1 billion albums.

These numbers prove that the interest in music is as hot today as ever - as does the number of sold out festivals on a weekly basis world wide. it SHOULD be making a shitload of money from this - but the price is too high. The industry needs to learn that music has became a very dispensable product ( due to them flooding the market - and "old stock" holding interest and value ). I am sure that if the industry started selling digital downloads at a fanstically cheap price - then started focusing releasing music on either vinyl or high quality "Blu Ray" sound - the "war on piracy" would be over. People still want to buy music - but they are only willing to pay for "the best quality possible" or they want it for "pratically free". This is why i think cd is dead.

I think that's an interesting strategy. I personally don't really download music, almost ever, but I am a musician and I know that I'm in the minority there. I'm not sure about $2 an album (or any magic number, really), but keeping prices low is very important. I've also noticed many artists (I could use TbK for example) who offer supplemental material, often for free, in between their full-length albums. I find this effective in two ways. If timed correctly, it both serves as a thank you to paying fans, and it keeps the artist "on the radar" instead of disappearing between albums. Many artists are also creating special packages for online orders (like autographed CDs/posters, limited edition accessories, etc.) that make a listener/consumer feel like they got something for their money.

So yeah, I think the prices should be dramatically lower and artists should continue to reward their fans with unique merchandise and occasional freebies. Maybe that's an over-simplification, but I'll leave it at that. And yes, I'm going to keep buying (and selling) CDs.

[KingBelteshazzar]

SP doesn't normally give me a physical release, but i suppose if i tried and were in the mood, i could get one.

[frosty]

what the hell? :lol:/> this is not the place for such talk.

also, i wish vinyls were much bigger like the size of tires, for humor's sake.

(nobody else is posting, so it doesn't matter how ridiculous my posts get.)

[StevieJ]

^^ such naughtiness! :innocent:/>

Personally, vinyls have a certain je ne sais quoi, akin to nostalgia, about them (it's impossible to be nostalgic about a recently-recorded/released 12" LP of course): their appearance, feel and smell not to mention the cardboard packaging, nicely sized artwork, lyrics and so forth.

If you get into the habit of storing CDs, and generally taking care of them, properly then they're ok. Jewel cases are a pain in the arse though, it's so annoying when a CD can no longer be stored safely 'cos several of the springy plastic things have broken off the hub of the bloody jewel case. I much prefer the (cheaper than jewel case, I assume) card packaging - e.g. Gish & SD deluxe reissues.

If vinyl was the same size as the average car tyre imagine the size of the record player :scatch:/>

[.absof.]

StevieJ, on 22 March 2012 - 05:54 AM, said:

Jewel cases are a pain in the arse though, it's so annoying when a CD can no longer be stored safely 'cos several of the springy plastic things have broken off the hub of the bloody jewel case. I much prefer the (cheaper than jewel case, I assume) card packaging - e.g. Gish & SD deluxe reissues.

This annoy me, too. Especially if there's some sort of sticker on the front.

Vinyls might be well and good but most people would be very limited as to where they could actually listen to them. I haven't seen many cars driving around with in-built record players.






Back to the OP. Why would Billy be piss-farting around since last July to only release it digitally?

[werideatdusk]

There will absolutely be a vinyl edition. If there isn't a CD, then they'll put out the 24-bit files and the digital audiophiles will be happy.

[Take92]

.absof., on 22 March 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

This annoy me, too. Especially if there's some sort of sticker on the front.

Vinyls might be well and good but most people would be very limited as to where they could actually listen to them. I haven't seen many cars driving around with in-built record players.






Back to the OP. Why would Billy be piss-farting around since last July to only release it digitally?

That's the shit. Now I can buy vinyl

[ShamanO]

uh dont drive over any potholes

[Raoul]

.absof., on 22 March 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

This annoy me, too. Especially if there's some sort of sticker on the front.

Vinyls might be well and good but most people would be very limited as to where they could actually listen to them. I haven't seen many cars driving around with in-built record players.

Yeah thats obvious, but thats why i think the combination of digit (ipod) & vinyl is the perfect mix. out your entire library on the ipod and it can travel in your pocket, in your car - plug into anything with a usb or jack port. But come Friday night when you get home from a hard week at work and you are sitting at your kitchen table drinking whisky on the rocks and chain smoking - thats the time to put on the vinly - play it loud - & get lost in the music and quality.

Cd is the middle man now - no doubt. no matter how you look at it

*Quality*

Vinyl >>>>>>>> CD >>>>>>>>>> MP3

*Access**

MP3 >>>>>>>>>> CD >>>>>>>>>> Vinyl

no matter what judgement you put on what you need out of music, cd comes 2nd - which to me is a bit beige

[Take92]

Raoul, on 23 March 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

Yeah thats obvious, but thats why i think the combination of digit (ipod) & vinyl is the perfect mix. out your entire library on the ipod and it can travel in your pocket, in your car - plug into anything with a usb or jack port. But come Friday night when you get home from a hard week at work and you are sitting at your kitchen table drinking whisky on the rocks and chain smoking - thats the time to put on the vinly - play it loud - & get lost in the music and quality.

Cd is the middle man now - no doubt. no matter how you look at it

*Quality*

Vinyl >>>>>>>> CD >>>>>>>>>> MP3

*Access**

MP3 >>>>>>>>>> CD >>>>>>>>>> Vinyl

no matter what judgement you put on what you need out of music, cd comes 2nd - which to me is a bit beige

Either that, or it's the only choice that has both of these features, without requiring a second version. Just a thought.

[SarcasticHead]

A physical release of Oceania is needed

[Fire Dragon]

Aaah Vinyl. Such a wonderful memory of my teenage years. I miss the crackle of the needle as it touches the record, the smell of the fresh print on the sleeve, it was just such a more personal relationship with the artist/band. :cry:/>

[locusceruleus]

Why would anyone give a damn about how someone else chooses to listen to music? We all know what the options are, this tedious pissing contest of who's the biggest audiophile is completely fucking tedious.

[Deleted User Account]

Go to 1:10

[astralweeks]

When an album's recorded digitally the medium isn't as important, but for analog recordings the difference on vinyl is night and day...

if you love music (i'm sure most peole here do) I highly recommend investing in a turntable.

[KingBelteshazzar]

so what songs on Oceania do you plan to have your physical release with? I'mma go with Quasar.

[ShamanO]

lol what Belte?

[Gr3g3]

ShamanO, on 10 April 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

lol what Belte?

He drunk.

[KingBelteshazzar]

every time on Machina whenever Billy would sing about "proving his release" or something about getting a release, I always chuckled to myself. :lol:/>

[ShamanO]

you would think like that too

[KingBelteshazzar]

i'm sure i wasn't the only one.

[ShamanO]

no i'm sure many of the guys on this forum have thought that too and then some

[KingBelteshazzar]

yeah, maybe some girls too.

[werideatdusk]

i'm gonna physical release all over my 24k files

[frednirv632]

what's a 24k file? Do you mean 24 bit?