[Arachnea]

soniclovenoize, on 04 December 2011 - 06:23 PM, said:

Why not?

Semantics, and because it does not matter in the scope of the thread and its discussion.

[ZivotSon]

Well Cherub Rock and Space Boy are definitely not about her, so I guess she expects us to believe that everything else on SD and everything on MCIS is about her. okie-dokie.

[Dontgetangryitsjustagame]

Arachnea, on 04 December 2011 - 04:47 AM, said:

There are obviously going to be songs written about her. That is not the contentious issue. The issue is her claim that ALL of Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie was written about her, and her claims that Billy stole her lyrics.

When you are in love with and obsessed with someone (as Billy pretty clearly was with Courtney for awhile, if you look at something like the Confessions) for a long time, and you write a lot of songs, the tendency is that a lot of songs will be about them. There is no doubt in my mind that at least a double-album or two worth of songs written by Billy about Courtney in some way or another exist. Whether or not they made up the majority of Mellon Collie is up to speculation. But it is a distinct possibility, given the timing.

Just imagine this. Billy is in the phase where he is deeply in love with Courtney. Pretty much every new song he writes is going to be about her. He comes to her with new songs, "Hey, this song is kind of about you. hehe"
She hears all these songs over years, and then suddenly they become an album. And Billy gets famous for it. And then Courtney turns her back on him and shit happens and yeah. I'm just saying, when you find out a song is about you, it kind of becomes yours, in a psychological way. To be denied that and ridiculed for it in the case that it may actually be true would suck for Courtney.

[soniclovenoize]

Arachnea, on 04 December 2011 - 06:50 PM, said:

Semantics, and because it does not matter in the scope of the thread and its discussion.

But my original comment that you poo-poo'd certainly pertained to this thread.

[Arachnea]

soniclovenoize, on 05 December 2011 - 07:58 AM, said:

But my original comment that you poo-poo'd certainly pertained to this thread.

I am sorry. It was not my intention to poo-poo your comment. The one about Luna, correct? I did not realize that you had even posted in this thread. My comment was to no one in particular.

Dontgetangryitsjustagame, on 04 December 2011 - 10:09 PM, said:

When you are in love with and obsessed with someone (as Billy pretty clearly was with Courtney for awhile, if you look at something like the Confessions) for a long time, and you write a lot of songs, the tendency is that a lot of songs will be about them. There is no doubt in my mind that at least a double-album or two worth of songs written by Billy about Courtney in some way or another exist. Whether or not they made up the majority of Mellon Collie is up to speculation. But it is a distinct possibility, given the timing.

Just imagine this. Billy is in the phase where he is deeply in love with Courtney. Pretty much every new song he writes is going to be about her. He comes to her with new songs, "Hey, this song is kind of about you. hehe"
She hears all these songs over years, and then suddenly they become an album. And Billy gets famous for it. And then Courtney turns her back on him and shit happens and yeah. I'm just saying, when you find out a song is about you, it kind of becomes yours, in a psychological way. To be denied that and ridiculed for it in the case that it may actually be true would suck for Courtney.

I am not sure I follow what you are trying to say. Billy has not been shy in saying that he wrote songs about Courtney, yet there were other women in his life that he was also deeply in love with, his wife being one of them. He also wrote songs for those women, too. Hence, that is the reason why it is a selfish claim that ALL the songs were about her. It is another means for her to enforce the notion that she was the great muse of the 90s. Love, on her part, is not a motivation. I do not believe Courtney ever loved Billy. Billy affirms as much in his commentary on Luna.

[ShamanO]

Bill sounds like a player of the love game.

[frosty]

please don't use big words like contentious. i won't be able to keep up.

[soniclovenoize]

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I am sorry. It was not my intention to poo-poo your comment. The one about Luna, correct? I did not realize that you had even posted in this thread. My comment was to no one in particular.[quote]
:whips:/>

[Rachel]

ItsSoPringles, on 15 November 2011 - 07:59 AM, said:

:nope:/> for badmouthing grohl and :nope:/> again for using "gay" as a insult. double :nope:/> :nope:/>

hmmm...I dont think she quite meant it like that. she is actually pretty full on about gay and lesbian rights so I dont think she was necsarily baging out gay people but baging out gay sounding music
if you get what I mean

Fuzzy, on 15 November 2011 - 10:10 PM, said:

Yeah Billy was always infatuated with her. I mean Courtneys nuts but I don't think she'd just make this shit up for the sake of it. Shes crazy but she isn't a liar. Songs like Porcelina and Bodies jump to mind when being songs about Courtney.

I personally think this holds a lot of truth


I dont think Courtney or Billy is lying. I think that things Billy and Courtney have said in the past have probably been misunderstood over the years, thats all. and possibly misunderstood by each other too, therefor leading to contradicting stories

[geezero]

[Rachel]

:whattodo:/> WHAT THE FUCK!
I dont get the relevence plus it really hurt my ears...Im scarred for life :nope:/>

[Rachel]

so Ive seen the video where Courtney claims the line "the killer in me is the killer in you." was about her but when has she claimed that all of SD and Machina were written about her?

[frednirv632]

can a taste of love be so wrong?

[serotoninsage]

This just in! Possible other title for MCIS:

Courtney Love & The Infinite Madness

[geezero]

Rachel, on 28 March 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

:whattodo:/> WHAT THE FUCK!
I dont get the relevence plus it really hurt my ears...Im scarred for life :nope:/>

Talking about the Primus song? Um, some people -including myself- believe that it was inspired by the "queen of opportunists" mentioned in this thread oh so many times.

[Rachel]

I personally believe some of BC's lyrics are about or were inspired by Courtney Love but some people dont. the fact is no matter what either one of them say now, we wont really know for sure. he might have written them then to be about CL but since then has decided that they actually stand for something else entirely. he may have lied to Courtney somewhere along the way to keep her happy. Courtney may very well be just trying to get on Billy's nerves...there really are an infinite number of ways the confusion could've become.

but as I said, I personally believe that some of BC's lyrics are about or were inspired by Courtney, and if he denies that any of this songs are about CL i dont believe him, I think that he has decided he is embarrassed he wrote songs about her or something, but there is no way he never wrote a song about Courtney. can we all agree on this?

[Carrie]

I agree with this ^

wow this is a cool thread :happy:/>

[Rachel]

Cheers!


if you skip to 5minutes and look at Courtneys hand...does anyone know what she did to it?

[ShamanO]

funny at 2:52 you see on the backdrop that it says cleanliness is next to godliness

[Rachel]

yeah. but do you know what happened to Courtney's hand/wrist? I dont know anything about it at all

[Fire Dragon]

thorazine, on 16 November 2011 - 07:24 AM, said:

i don't think that's it. i think she used to stroke Billy's & Kurt's ego's, and tell them how great they are. Once she was inside, she would steal all of their powers and try to apply it to her music career.

Perhaps she stole all of their powers through the seminal ejaculate and stored them in vials, each one labelled by month and year for future useage.
90, 91, 92.....

[Rachel]

wow! umm...NO! I REALLY DOUBT IT!

[Fernando]

"you're so vain
you probably think this song is about you
you're so vain
I bet you think this song is about you
don't you, don't you, don't you"

No, Courtney, this song is not about you too. But it could be, yeah.

[.absof.]

Apparently Foo Fighters' Stacked Actors is about her too..

http://en.wikipedia....d_Actors#Lyrics

[lucciola]

I suspect Courtney has made more than one appearance in Grohl's lyrics, but as far as I know that is the only example he will admit to.

There are so many Court inspired songs. Tori Amos' Professional Widow is a classic

Slag pit
Stag shit
Honey bring it close to my lips
Yes
Don't blow those brains yet
We gotta be big boy
We gotta be big
Starfucker just like my Daddy
Just like my Daddy selling his baby
Just like my Daddy
Gonna strike a deal made him feel
Like a congressman
It runs in the family

Jeff Buckley's Sky is a Landfill -

You like to dance to the rolling
Head of the adulteress
You sing in praise of suicide
We know you're useless
Like cops at the scene of the crime


Too many to choose from ... and Courtney is probably best forgotten.

"Courtney Love is extremely smart, but the UniBomber was smart too." - Inger Lorre. Not to say Inger isn't a nutcase herself of course...

Rachel, on 01 April 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

yeah. but do you know what happened to Courtney's hand/wrist? I dont know anything about it at all

I don't know for certain, but around that time Courtney would often cut herself onstage. So possibly a bandaged war wound?

[Rachel]

Oh OK. I knew she went through a stage of cutting herself while performing, I guess it just never came to mind in regards to this. I mean I've never purposefully cut myself bad enough to bandage, maybe I dont yet hate myself enough

[Lunatic]

Rachel, on 28 March 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

so Ive seen the video where Courtney claims the line "the killer in me is the killer in you." was about her but when has she claimed that all of SD and Machina were written about her?

Read the first post... ? I don't remember her saying anything about Machina.

[Rachel]

this being my point exactly

[Fernando]

"Courtney Love claims Dave Grohl had sex with Frances Bean Cobain and is sexually obsessed with Kurt Cobain"

Oh, yeah, all of Siamese Dream and MCIS is about her too.

[aztec_litany_service]

that would kinda suck if bill took 'the killer in me is the killer in you' from CL

[pastup]

http://gawker.com/59...ng-her-daughter

Is she really tweeting about her daughter having sex with @xMAdMx aka Melissa Auf der Maur?

Quote

if freances slept with @davegrohl I'm not even angrier than I was when @xmadmx dud it, well yes some, it's Dave that I'm goig kill.

[frednirv632]

No. MADM and Grohl banged back in the day.

[pastup]

frednirv632, on 11 April 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

No. MADM and Grohl banged back in the day.

Oh lol. That makes more sense. I was just like wtf? :scatch:/>

http://www.spin.com/...gn=spinfacebook



http://www.guitarwor...anted-be-muppet

[Gr3g3]

Courtney Love is a vain, manipulative whore. Everything is about her in her mind. She's a fucking clown fraud.

[lucciola]

But Billy loves her.

[Gr3g3]

lucciola, on 12 April 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

But Billy loves her.

Loved*

[lucciola]

They've always had their ups and downs. Give it time.

[Gr3g3]

lucciola, on 12 April 2012 - 05:56 PM, said:

They've always had their ups and downs. Give it time.

Can't tell if you're just trolling me, but they will never be together again. Internet promise.

[ShamanO]

Gr3g3, on 12 April 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

Can't tell if you're just trolling me, but they will never be together again. Internet promise.

That's so valid too!

[Gr3g3]

ShamanO, on 12 April 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

That's so valid too!

He has had nothing but regrets about her. Have you forgotten his twitter rant a while back about Hole's new album? Him saying how it is self destructive to be around her? If he goes back to her he completely will be devoling. He's come a long way, got rid of the wench and is finally happy and people are hoping they get back together!? :crazy:/>

[lucciola]

Gr3g3, on 12 April 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

Can't tell if you're just trolling me, but they will never be together again. Internet promise.

pinky swear?

Gr3g3, on 12 April 2012 - 07:06 PM, said:

He has had nothing but regrets about her. Have you forgotten his twitter rant a while back about Hole's new album? Him saying how it is self destructive to be around her? If he goes back to her he completely will be devoling. He's come a long way, got rid of the wench and is finally happy and people are hoping they get back together!? :crazy:/>

Of course I don't hope they'll ge back together. I'm neither insane nor sadistic. I'm only pointing out that Billy has "got rid of the wench" several times in the past, called her liar, a bad influence blah blah. He always goes back. It can be hard to purge a "great love" from your system, my friend. Also, crazy attracts crazy.

"devolving" is one of my very favorite words. In relation to Bill, I mean. I use it often.

[Gr3g3]

If he does get back together, I would be super dissapointed in him. He knows better at this point.

And yes. I pinky swear.

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Gr3g3, on 12 April 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

If he does get back together, I would be super dissapointed in him. He knows better at this point.

And yes. I pinky swear.

Somebody tell me if this guy is for real. lucciola, there's no way, is there?

[ShamanO]

I'd hope he knows better. Good lawd does he really want to add her antics to his life again?