[craiger]

hi all.
new to the forum. i finally received my copies of the remastered albums after the Topspin delay - glad to have 'em.

Let me say, the quality of these reissues is fantastic. The packaging is first rate, the printing is flawless, the bonuses are fantastic. I've gotten a few re-releases from other bands from the same era, and the quality of those (thinking about Suede) is flimsy when compared to these. great job by everyone involved.

spent last night watching the SD DVD from the Metro, 1993. all i can say is WOW. what a gem, and a treat to watch. I'm glad they included an essentially unedited version of the concert, with all the uncomfortable banter, etc...

the performance is amazing. i can't get over how young Billy looks, and i couldn't stop thinking that he was a WAY better guitar player, even back then, than i can really fathom - and really better than just about everybody else from the "Alternative" era of the '90's (barring Jerry Cantrell and... well that's about it, really). watching him play - he's just having a blast attacking the fretboard. relentlessly creative, he can tell a story with a vital melody, then shift gears into some ridiculous shredding territory.

James, when he had his parts, holds his own too. the whole band was really a force. too bad they didn't have a Jimmy cam up on stage, but i can sorta understand it. was just at the Metro the other night, and that place is really pretty small.

anyway, this DVD in particular, is probably the best bonus i've received in any reissue set by any band i've purchased. It's a great snapshot, perfect setlist, great production. Looking forward to more new music from the pumpkins, equally looking forward to new reissues as the months tick by.

anyway, just my 2cents.

[AlienCloak]

Welcome to the boards.

[Take92]

Does anyone know if there's a video clip online of this concert? I'm not as interested in the remaster as I am the live stuff, and I like to research my purchases in advance...

[vescret]

i think there are some clips forgot what the date is so not sure

[standing]

yeah man the dvd is awesome. I hope some program gets going through sprc where they put out dvds like that FREQUENTLY. I could TOTALLY stand to watch a full sp concert like that once a month OR MORE!

[soonergiant65]

Very nice first post. Yeah, Billy really does draw you in with his performance. When I watch the dvd I can't help but notice how much better a guitar player Billy is than James. James plays some nice parts and I understand that he is creative, but strictly as an "on stage performer/entertainer", Billy Corgan really is one of the all time greats.

[loserbeach]

The best thing about the DVD is watching the crowd. This is why the 90's was great. Everyone was excited about the show. Everyone moshed and crowd surfed and there weren't any cell phones. Even the security guards were having a good time.

[killer_in_me]

I loved this dvd too. Possibly one of if not the best live dvd I now own.

[chrisothoulos]

agreed that these reissues are top notch.. Are there any out there that you feel trump these?

[Take92]

That sounds great. How is the audio on the DVD? Professional mix?

[craiger]

 Take92, on 17 December 2011 - 12:24 PM, said:

That sounds great. How is the audio on the DVD? Professional mix?

Audio mix is professional (and killer, although a bit vocal heavy at times, but that's just the live sound for you). video is surprisingly clear for an almost 20 year old video transfer. it's a great find, well worth the price of admission.
Like Killer in me said - its one of the best DVDs i own. the DVD absolutely destroys the bonus stuff from the viewphoria DVD, and rivals the best stuff from Viewphoria in terms of quality, watchability, and performance.

actually, i think it destroys viewphoria. it really is the ultimate Siamese Dream concert.

comparing these reissues to others, in terms of quality and features, i'd have to say they rival the U2 reissues of Unforgettable Fire and the Joshua Tree.
while these don't have a hard bound book like the super versions of those U2 reissues, they're also 20 or 30 bucks less than the U2 products, and i'll definitely watch this DVD again and again.

Legacy edition of the Stone Roses is another good one, but the DVD is tough to watch - and the demos are tough to digest when compared to the final album.

the Suede reissues are nice enough - the music is fantastic, and there's some great hidden gems that they dug up. but the DVDs are really a mixed bag, lots of handheld footage of shows (not all that watchable).
and the overall production is sorta ricketty. low quality cardboard/assembly, etc. its funny how this stuff matters, but it does.

[rosenkreuzer]

 standing, on 16 December 2011 - 07:27 PM, said:

yeah man the dvd is awesome. I hope some program gets going through sprc where they put out dvds like that FREQUENTLY. I could TOTALLY stand to watch a full sp concert like that once a month OR MORE!

yes! same here

[HereIsNoY]

[Take92]

Thank you guys, this is great. I'm only halfway through the "Siva" video and there's so many things I love about this clip...

[hotoriousDICK]

yeah i remember hacving this on dvd boot from the zomb (which i am gonna assume is now off the zomb)

the way they have fun with this song like singing along to the first solo in siva was so cool. They really did play for the fun of it and if their lives depended on it.

[manuglass]

Such an awesome concert. In general, I couldn't be happier with the Gish and SD box sets. The remasters are incredible and the DVDs are really fun to watch. What I found most interesting about the DVD is how Billy has changed over the years. The essence is the same, but has found different ways to act make the crowd nervous!

[crepe]

 craiger, on 16 December 2011 - 02:34 PM, said:

hi all.
new to the forum. i finally received my copies of the remastered albums after the Topspin delay - glad to have 'em.

Let me say, the quality of these reissues is fantastic. The packaging is first rate, the printing is flawless, the bonuses are fantastic. I've gotten a few re-releases from other bands from the same era, and the quality of those (thinking about Suede) is flimsy when compared to these. great job by everyone involved.

spent last night watching the SD DVD from the Metro, 1993. all i can say is WOW. what a gem, and a treat to watch. I'm glad they included an essentially unedited version of the concert, with all the uncomfortable banter, etc...

the performance is amazing. i can't get over how young Billy looks, and i couldn't stop thinking that he was a WAY better guitar player, even back then, than i can really fathom - and really better than just about everybody else from the "Alternative" era of the '90's (barring Jerry Cantrell and... well that's about it, really). watching him play - he's just having a blast attacking the fretboard. relentlessly creative, he can tell a story with a vital melody, then shift gears into some ridiculous shredding territory.

James, when he had his parts, holds his own too. the whole band was really a force. too bad they didn't have a Jimmy cam up on stage, but i can sorta understand it. was just at the Metro the other night, and that place is really pretty small.

anyway, this DVD in particular, is probably the best bonus i've received in any reissue set by any band i've purchased. It's a great snapshot, perfect setlist, great production. Looking forward to more new music from the pumpkins, equally looking forward to new reissues as the months tick by.

anyway, just my 2cents.

mike mccready says hello.

[craiger]

 crepe, on 20 December 2011 - 08:34 AM, said:

mike mccready says hello.

yeah, McCready crossed my mind. he's a fantastic guitar player.

Nothing against Mike McCready, its just that, for me, Corgan and Cantrell have way more memorable guitar parts and solos.
i know there's millions of Pearl Jam fans who would disagree. chalk it up to personal taste.

[i_am_not_the_walrus]

Absolutely awesome!!! So much fun too!!! It was also fascinating watching the difference between the two DVD's.... they were light years apart. It goes to show what a little bit of vision and determination can do.

[manuglass]

I gotta say, someone got me the Immersion box set of Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon and SP's reissues beat the crap out of Pink Floyd's. Floyd's box sets are 119 euros. SP's were around 25 and they're much much better. It really makes a significance that you can see Billy's hand all over the Gish and SDs box sets, while on Pink Floyd it seems as if the band didn't have anything to do with the process (which may be true). 6 discs among CDs, DVDs and a blue ray, but only half an album worth of demos/unreleased takes. This post is not meant to criticize the Dark Side box set, it is in fact very cool, but I feel very lucky as an SP fan that the Pumpkins have been able to do so much better at a much lower price.

Has anyone else checked out any Pink Floyd box set?

[HereIsNoY]

I didn't realize the 1993 show was the SD release party..very cool & interesting to watch.

[V for Vergudo]

Is the Gish DVD as good as the Siamese Dream DVD? I mean quality-wise. Because the audio and video from this concert are really good.

[dudehitscar]

 V for Vergudo, on 25 December 2011 - 08:32 PM, said:

Is the Gish DVD as good as the Siamese Dream DVD? I mean quality-wise. Because the audio and video from this concert are really good.

Not even close.

[standing]

 dudehitscar, on 25 December 2011 - 09:22 PM, said:

Not even close.

its worth it though. I mean, jst to see how the band changed over time- styles, setlists, attire, stage-presence...

[dudehitscar]

 standing, on 26 December 2011 - 05:49 AM, said:

its worth it though. I mean, jst to see how the band changed over time- styles, setlists, attire, stage-presence...

Gish DVD is a definite gem. I loved it.

[HereIsNoY]

I was just thinking - it would be so awesome if the MCIS reissue came with the one of the 1995 Double Door shows.

[RottingApples]

 HereIsNoY, on 26 December 2011 - 04:50 PM, said:

I was just thinking - it would be so awesome if the MCIS reissue came with the one of the 1995 Double Door shows.

It would be. But sadly no one in the Pumpkin camp/ Archives has that footage. They have soundboards, but no video.

[ShamanO]

I do not like Billy's singing/shouting in Rocket in this dvd. Sure he was having fun, but it sounded bad. I think his magic is in his softer vocals.

[cookieshoes]

 HereIsNoY, on 25 December 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

I didn't realize the 1993 show was the SD release party..very cool & interesting to watch.

Actually, the 8/14/93 Metro show featured on the DVD wasn't the SD release party. The release party was the acoustic performance at Tower Records on July 26, 1993. They then followed it up with a proper "secret" show playing as The Turnips at Metro on July 28, 1993. The three Metro shows in August were still a big occasion, just not technically the release party for the album.

 Take92, on 17 December 2011 - 12:24 PM, said:

That sounds great. How is the audio on the DVD? Professional mix?

Unfortunately, the audio mix is somewhat botched, imo. The mix of the instruments is way off. My guess is that this is likely due to the way in which it was originally recorded. The engineer put James' guitar in the left channel, and put Billy's guitar buried in the right channel. The problem is that James is noticeably louder throughout the whole show, while all of Billy's parts are too quiet, including his solos. If this was the way it was originally recorded, I think the engineer must have thought that since Billy was the one singing lead vocals that he wasn't also the lead guitarist, and so kept his guitar quieter in the mix. Otherwise, if this was something they were able to fix before they released it, why they mixed the audio like that for the DVD I have no idea. A shame. It still sounds nice, as a professional recording should, but the mix should've been corrected.

[loserbeach]

Another thing worth noting about the sound is the lack of D'arcy's vocals. She is clearly shown singing but she is inaudible.

[standing]

 loserbeach, on 30 December 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

Another thing worth noting about the sound is the lack of D'arcy's vocals. She is clearly shown singing but she is inaudible.

her mic was turned off and billy was filling her backing vocals. Cmon, it was siamese era!

[frednirv632]

D'arcy is inaudible on about 90% of live SP video where you can see her singing into a mic. I've always thought it was the weirdest thing. Could she not tell that hr mic was basically off all the time?

[ButterflyBullets]

 loserbeach, on 30 December 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

Another thing worth noting about the sound is the lack of D'arcy's vocals. She is clearly shown singing but she is inaudible.

That's what really bugged me when I watched this. You can hear James I think in Cherub Rock, but D'arcys vocals are completely muted ._.

 frednirv632, on 30 December 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

D'arcy is inaudible on about 90% of live SP video where you can see her singing into a mic. I've always thought it was the weirdest thing. Could she not tell that hr mic was basically off all the time?

I've noticed that bootleg recordings you can usually hear her, but pro shot stuff like TV performances she's usually muted or turned down so low >.>

[paulandgemm]

 frednirv632, on 30 December 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

D'arcy is inaudible on about 90% of live SP video where you can see her singing into a mic. I've always thought it was the weirdest thing. Could she not tell that hr mic was basically off all the time?

you could hear her when you were actually there at the shows.. just very quiet.

[ButterflyBullets]

 paulandgemm, on 04 January 2012 - 04:38 AM, said:

you could hear her when you were actually there at the shows.. just very quiet.

Something i'll never experience :(/>

[solacematt]

It's really interesting to watch the Gish DVD, and than the SD DVD. The Gish performance is kind of cute. They're so green and ...local. It's SP as a true local band - nervous, awkward, and haven't quite found their sound yet. Hilarious part is the yowl that Billy lets out before going into the solo in "I Am One."

[ButterflyBullets]

 solacematt, on 06 January 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

It's really interesting to watch the Gish DVD, and than the SD DVD. The Gish performance is kind of cute. They're so green and ...local. It's SP as a true local band - nervous, awkward, and haven't quite found their sound yet. Hilarious part is the yowl that Billy lets out before going into the solo in "I Am One."

That was funny, guess he was all in the moment in shit, lol


Did anyone notice how the audio goes funny during part of Window Paine and then the video cuts foward a little bit at one point, like the tape deteriorated slightly?

[orchidaii]

Finally got to watch the SD DVD last night - so funny to see all the times that Billy is trying really hard not to laugh x) Especially when Eric goes overboard with the cello during Spaceboy hehehe

[wholebowl]

Is the video aspect ratio off? There is a border at the top and bottom and everyone seems to look a little heavier than they should.

[soonergiant65]

 orchidaii, on 06 January 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

Finally got to watch the SD DVD last night - so funny to see all the times that Billy is trying really hard not to laugh x) Especially when Eric goes overboard with the cello during Spaceboy hehehe

I think you meant when he went overboard on Starla.

[Human Sauce]

So many great banter moments.

Favorites: 1) The guy yelling "IRONY!" when Billy is talking about how if there were no assholes there wouldn't be anything to complain about. 2) When Billy yells at the guy(s) messing with a girl in the audience during Siva. 3) Everything James says.

[soonergiant65]

 Human Sauce, on 11 January 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

So many great banter moments.

Favorites: 1) The guy yelling "IRONY!" when Billy is talking about how if there were no assholes there wouldn't be anything to complain about. 2) When Billy yells at the guy(s) messing with a girl in the audience during Siva. 3) Everything James says.

I believe the girl he was messing with was D'arcy because Billy tells the guy to let her play.

I like the part during Starla when some guy jumps up to crowd surf and waves both of his hands at Billy and it makes Billy laugh, I guess because it was so random. :sp:/>

[Banana03]

Just getting around to watching it right now.



This is by far my favorite version of Starla. God damn the cello adds so much to the song it's fantastic. My new favorite rendition of my all time favorite song.

[nasalscarecrow]

Just watched it. Annoyingly, I only have a PS2 to watch it on right now so it came out in black and white for some reason (although it did look good) but I'm sure it'll be fine on a regular DVD player.

Great set, really energetic and good crowd etc. Only time I've heard a live Spaceboy too. Great show to include with the album.