[Bountiful_Wasteland]

Here you go
http://hw.libsyn.com...11e7d3aceea7949
http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/board_new/public/style_emoticons/default/happy2.gif

[Arachnea]

Thanks :cheers:/>

[ShamanO]

eyeball to earhole.

[.absof.]

Thank you!

[ShamanO]

lol absof...steel? LMFAO sorry

this had some really good songs being played...god do I love the old songs. The sounds from back then hold a power that no artist now days can seem to over power. And Billy is definitely one of those who has done some remarkable sounds in his own unique way from being inspired by these great artists from the 60's and 70's. sure the 80's had some good stuff, but there is something that really captures your soul from the earlier rock

[Martine Castonguay]

Thank you Bountiful to have put the link!

It was a good time to hear so good music with good commentaries.

Good, good, good. :happy:/>

[Bountiful_Wasteland]

You're all welcome!http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/board_new/public/style_emoticons/default/hug.gif

[ShamanO]

:)/> thx Bdub

[bosmanad]

So... can someone post a transcript or at lest the few things that we'd care about? Don't feel that i need to hear the whole interview unless it's worth it...

[orchidaii]

bosmanad, on 04 March 2012 - 05:25 AM, said:

So... can someone post a transcript or at lest the few things that we'd care about? Don't feel that i need to hear the whole interview unless it's worth it...

http://grungereport.net/?p=10660

[redsox]

Quote from the interview summary: "Said two of his bandmates in the original Smashing Pumpkins weren’t great musicians"

He has said this before in various interviews I know, so it is not really anything new....but what I was curious about, as much as he "talks down" about former members of his band(s), have they really defended themselves / responded in interviews? Granted, they are not "popular" enough probably now to interview...but have they responded anywhere along the way and did I kinda miss it?

On a side note, is it me or is it kinda funny that the original band and all problems / lack of musical talent according to Corgan, is the Smashing Pumpkins which produced the best known music and most "successful" on many levels

[pastup]

redsox, on 04 March 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

Quote from the interview summary: "Said two of his bandmates in the original Smashing Pumpkins weren’t great musicians"

He has said this before in various interviews I know, so it is not really anything new....but what I was curious about, as much as he "talks down" about former members of his band(s), have they really defended themselves / responded in interviews? Granted, they are not "popular" enough probably now to interview...but have they responded anywhere along the way and did I kinda miss it?

On a side note, is it me or is it kinda funny that the original band and all problems / lack of musical talent according to Corgan, is the Smashing Pumpkins which produced the best known music and most "successful" on many levels

It sounded a bit harsh but within the context of the conversation he was asked about a quote that was written about the original band in which someone described them as 4 virtuosos. Billy said that wasn't true and that James and D'arcy had a musicality about them but were not great musicians. In fact being really good was kind of looked down upon at that time.

This isn't anything we haven't heard before and I'll admit it kinda turned me off to hear him say that but in the context of the conversation it makes more sense. I don't think this interview is important enough to reach James or D'arcy and even if they did hear these remarks they probably wouldn't disagree.
You know Kurt Cobain was no Eddie van halen but that didn't matter. You couldn't put eddie van halen in Nirvana and come out with the same music. Although compared to EVH Cobain was not a great musician either.

[Martine Castonguay]

You know redsox, we are responsable for our choices and the consequences they had. I believe Billy is sincere about former members being not good musiciens. And maybe it is truth for what I know. But saying that, he is speaking of himself probably doing not the good moves back then. Why did they continue working together knowing that from eachother? And if they split maybe SP would have continued with other musicians, maybe not. Maybe they thought things will improve. We cannot write again the story of our life. We can just learn from our past. To be well with the people we are is something really important. Would you like looking back and have this heavy kind of relationship in your life?

[frosty]

i'm pretty sure earhole is one word.

dickhole is one word. don't know why ear hole isn't.

[mayday27]

It must be difficult to want to be both the recognized and loved, and the isolated island all at once. Two fish

Interesting and good music

[.absof.]

ShamanO, on 03 March 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

lol absof...steel? LMFAO sorry

Don't be sorry. Last name is Steele. Dickhead from another school gave it to me years ago and it's stuck.

[ShamanO]

I now feel like I am a part of this dickhead :lol:/>

[CZR]

So billy consider's himself not that great at guitar?

[beep beep]

If you believe he meant that as anything but an attempt at being humble....

[ShamanO]

he can't be serious...he's gotta know he is pretty badass on guitar

[ItsSoPringles]

i think he was being serious about him thinking of a 100 more guitarists better than him, seeing how he even called himself a rip off at times

[CZR]

I think it's true. I've asked a lot of guitarists and classically trained people(serious players and music theory majors) about what they think about Billy's guitar talent and showed them different songs and they all pretty said the same thing, Something like... He can definitely play what he practices perfectly and nothing more. but they also said he can arrange songs real well too though. I've never met any guitarist who praised Billy's guitar talent but his songs instead.

[frosty]

hmm, interesting.
i kept wondering why he borrowed as often as he did. i know he initially wanted the band to have a certain sound or feel based on some of his favorite bands. but, i didn't know the guitar doesn't come to him as naturally as it appears.

[mayday27]

His song architecture is amazing...it's at the top

[GracefulSwan]

CZR, on 06 March 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

I think it's true. I've asked a lot of guitarists and classically trained people(serious players and music theory majors) about what they think about Billy's guitar talent and showed them different songs and they all pretty said the same thing, Something like... He can definitely play what he practices perfectly and nothing more. but they also said he can arrange songs real well too though. I've never met any guitarist who praised Billy's guitar talent but his songs instead.

To be fair, the same could be said for a lot of the supposed guitar greats. I don't think the likes of Gilmore and Keith Richards are known for their improvisational skills, they often rank among the top ten though.

[pastup]

frosty, on 06 March 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

hmm, interesting.
i kept wondering why he borrowed as often as he did. i know he initially wanted the band to have a certain sound or feel based on some of his favorite bands. but, i didn't know the guitar doesn't come to him as naturally as it appears.

He's downplaying his guitar playing because he has such respect for people like Uli Jon Roth who really are virtuosos.
The hendrix influence is pretty apparent especially with the feedback but everybody was influenced by hendrix.

[zeheel]

Ripping off the guitar and being a real virtuso doesn´´t mean having the ability to write good songs. satriani or blackmoore are really prefectly handling their instrument, but for me i cannot say that i like any song of them. satrianis high speed soloing is a pain in the neck for me.

being a virtuso and writing good songs aren´´t the same.

i prefer good song writers. somehow they show much more musicality.

having a unique style counts also much more than playing fast or technically perfect. look at neil youn for example, he isn´´t playing the high speed solos or anything special, but the way he plays is unique. billy has also his kind of style, morello u can find out of a hundred guitar players at once. the one i meantioned are the real heros for me , cause they have a unique style. surely there are many more and also there are unknown guitarists out there who can play like hell and play every sonate or style, but in the end they cannot write good arranged and beautiful songs. it´´s like doing any trick diego maradona or messi has done, but playing in a 5 th canadian soccer league.

[frosty]

i see.

[Arachnea]

CZR, on 06 March 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

I think it's true. I've asked a lot of guitarists and classically trained people(serious players and music theory majors) about what they think about Billy's guitar talent and showed them different songs and they all pretty said the same thing, Something like... He can definitely play what he practices perfectly and nothing more. but they also said he can arrange songs real well too though. I've never met any guitarist who praised Billy's guitar talent but his songs instead.

That seems accurate. I have heard people praise the recorded guitar work on the earlier albums and his songwriting ability. Yet many also agree that his guitar playing, particularly live, is very sloppy. However, it never really mattered to me. It was not the guitar playing that attracted me to the band.

[frednirv632]

I have never known his live playing to be sloppy whatsoever.

[aztec_litany_service]

bill is a ridiculously talented soloist, he just doesn't show off all the time. pretty sure it was intentional on the albums, to distance sp from the 80s hard rock which had become uncool. it's a shame really. notice how the demo versions of 'i am one' and 'bury me' for instance featured flashier solos than the ones on gish. instead he played up the "i'm really feeling this note" thing, which i guess is hendrix-y or sth

don't put too much stock in what "other musicians who know stuff" say about someone like bill. musicians are full of shit. i know, cause i'm one of em