[CoolAsIceCream]

all right. fair enough.

with a USB stick, you don't only need to buy the USB stick (and pay for some customisation). you also have to ship the things to all the buyers. this costs extra money, especially if you're sending them to buyers abroad.
and the handling (also costs money) and transport take longer than a download.

i think it's now quite clear that a USB stick won't make anyone happy. people won't think, "omg, a USB stick, how cool is that? so much cooler than an ordinary download. heh! i wouldn't mind paying a bit extra for the USB stick! oh the joys of listening to music on a USB. the ritual of shoving it into a USB port, enjoying the artwork, ..."
so that's definitely not a good reason to choose USB.

i think the only way how USB can be interesting, is if it comes with a lot of stuff on it. i'm thinking 20+ GB. but even then, it might not be worth it.

[WayneArnold]

Chad Channing, on 06 May 2012 - 09:41 PM, said:

No one I know has ever purchased a USB drive with music files on it when other formats were available. I know many people, and I am involved in the music scene in chicago. People choose fucking Cassettes over USB drives. They can just offer the goddamn files for much cheaper over the internet and it's the same shit.

Also, what the fuck do you even do with a USB? You fucking plug it in, rip the files, then leave it gather dust and never use it again. It's fucking pointless and unnessicary

Everyone I know only buys music on USB drives. Why would anyone ever choose anything else? You look at it, play with it, bring it out when you want to listen to music. Let friends look at it.

whywontyoulisten, on 07 May 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

Yes, because all the files on this USB will have been hand-copied-across by Billy himself, and then signed before being sent out? :scatch:/>

That's what Lucky 13 said.

[cleric]

CoolAsIceCream, on 07 May 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

all right. fair enough.

with a USB stick, you don't only need to buy the USB stick (and pay for some customisation). you also have to ship the things to all the buyers. this costs extra money, especially if you're sending them to buyers abroad.
and the handling (also costs money) and transport take longer than a download.

i think it's now quite clear that a USB stick won't make anyone happy. people won't think, "omg, a USB stick, how cool is that? so much cooler than an ordinary download. heh! i wouldn't mind paying a bit extra for the USB stick! oh the joys of listening to music on a USB. the ritual of shoving it into a USB port, enjoying the artwork, ..."
so that's definitely not a good reason to choose USB.

i think the only way how USB can be interesting, is if it comes with a lot of stuff on it. i'm thinking 20+ GB.

all true

[Duhze]

WayneArnold, on 07 May 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Everyone I know only buys music on USB drives. Why would anyone ever choose anything else? You look at it, play with it, bring it out when you want to listen to music. Let friends look at it.

:crazy:/>

[Chad Channing]

WayneArnold, on 07 May 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Everyone I know only buys music on USB drives. Why would anyone ever choose anything else? You look at it, play with it, bring it out when you want to listen to music. Let friends look at it.

>implying you know people
>implying you have friends
>implying anyone wants to look at a USB stick


Are you trolling are you actually retarded?

[ShamanO]

People want to look at downloads?

People want to look at downloads?

[RottingApples]

I'm surprised people are taking Wayne seriously....

[CoolAsIceCream]

Chad Channing, on 07 May 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

Are you trolling are you actually retarded?

what do you think? you can guess twice.

jebus. it's not that hard to figure out.

[frednirv632]

Chad Channing, on 07 May 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

>implying you know people
>implying you have friends
>implying anyone wants to look at a USB stick


Are you trolling are you actually retarded?

metatroll? or maybe, the oft mentioned but seldom encountered metaretard?

[Drevpile]

MonteLDS, on 07 May 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

views do not equal sales. So it's a misleading number.

I didn't directly equate views to sales. I simply equated views to interest. The -rough- direct comparison of video to video may have been somewhat flawed, fine. However, my basic point still stands - there is a substantial audience interested in JC's drums... just saying.

[WayneArnold]

Duhze, on 07 May 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

:crazy:/>

Chad Channing, on 07 May 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

>implying you know people
>implying you have friends
>implying anyone wants to look at a USB stick


Are you trolling are you actually retarded?

ShamanO, on 07 May 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

People want to look at downloads?

People want to look at downloads?

I love Smashing Pumpkins fans.

[ChrisHill]

WayneArnold, on 08 May 2012 - 06:25 AM, said:

I love Smashing Pumpkins fans.

lol, some things about the online community have not changed *a bit* since the alt.music.smash-pumpkins days...

[WayneArnold]

"Well you heard them loud and clear, they want USB drives so they can look at them with their friends. Set up the kickstarter."

[standing]

what about laptops with files? you could include a custom wallpaper. and if you didnt need a new computer, you could easily transfer the music on it to your current computer.

[standing]

I mean, it must be way cheaper to save artwork as a wall paper file, than to print somethin like a poster and mail it in a cardboard tube.

[czarbugg]

standing, on 09 May 2012 - 01:18 AM, said:

what about laptops with files? you could include a custom wallpaper. and if you didnt need a new computer, you could easily transfer the music on it to your current computer.

I'm with my fellow North Carolinian on this. I'd say this case is pretty much closed.

[savethetiger]

TheLucky13, on 23 April 2012 - 04:15 PM, said:

Sorry to hear that.
There might be some frustrating moments along the way, but we're super thrilled about this project. We've looked through the various fan outlets, made lots of notes, read through some old archived conversations that were recovered, and are in the process of recommending some initial releases to SPRC. We also are very aware of the "announcement of announcement of announcement" stuff that has overjoyed our community, and want to avoid communicating for no reason other than to sustain momentum, which just ends up being frustrating for everyone.
If it unfolds as planned, this project is going to be long term, so don't burn yourselves out.

We do hope to have a forum set up in the next few days or so.

Again, thank you (plural) for your input.

This was 16 days ago. I guess there should have been emphasis on the word 'hope' there. Not that I care about the pointless forum, but you are already failing to live up to suggested timelines and project goals. Not the best way to earn some good faith. In said time there has not been so much as one mention of progress or update either.

So to summarize, in basically a month plus, the sole accomplishments of 13 people theoretically working on their dream job, has been to open up the facebook page (5 minutes), design a logo, and host one very generic survey.

Honest question to the team; where do you see this project progressing to in three months time at this rate?

Is anything imminent? Last I heard you said you presented something to Billy. What is the status of that?

[chadbrochillington]

Aye, you're not going to gain any favor or momentum by going weeks at a time without so much as a popcorn fart.

[RottingApples]

chadbrochillington, on 09 May 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

Aye, you're not going to gain any favor or momentum by going weeks at a time without so much as a popcorn fart.

Would an announcement of an announcement make it better? ;)/>

[standing]

RottingApples, on 09 May 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

Would an announcement of an announcement make it better? ;)/>

it maybe a pulled announcement of an announcement. remember the Facebook happy Fri thing?

[MonteLDS]

i hope that announcements of announcements are dead.

[Simon]

savethetiger, on 09 May 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

This was 16 days ago. I guess there should have been emphasis on the word 'hope' there. Not that I care about the pointless forum, but you are already failing to live up to suggested timelines and project goals. Not the best way to earn some good faith. In said time there has not been so much as one mention of progress or update either.

So to summarize, in basically a month plus, the sole accomplishments of 13 people theoretically working on their dream job, has been to open up the facebook page (5 minutes), design a logo, and host one very generic survey.

Honest question to the team; where do you see this project progressing to in three months time at this rate?

Is anything imminent? Last I heard you said you presented something to Billy. What is the status of that?

As the admin of this place who has set up said forum, I believe the whole "don't make us talk in circles" advice was heeded. There will be much more to talk about once the first release comes out. Stop getting your panties in a twist.

MonteLDS, on 10 May 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

i hope that announcements of announcements are dead.

Same.

[Drevpile]

>Bites tongue<

[rosenkreuzer]

whatthefffu. must i read about fuuu. kin. g. usb sticks and stuff.

i want my vinyls. smashing pumpkins still deserves to be played on vinyl.

fuu. ck. that usb mp3 download shit.

wuhuuu.

[chadbrochillington]

HNNNNG

[calla lily]

:what:/>

[jakesstuff_69]

rosenkreuzer, on 10 May 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

whatthefffu. must i read about fuuu. kin. g. usb sticks and stuff.

i want my vinyls. smashing pumpkins still deserves to be played on vinyl.

fuu. ck. that usb mp3 download shit.

wuhuuu.

I don't really understand why people want the archive stuff on vinyl, or more or less why you'd want the live material on vinyl. A collection of unreleased studio material i might understand on vinyl. I personally don't own or ever intend to own a record player, so a vinyl-only release would really suck imo.
As for the USB stick, I'm not really interested in that either. My computer is constantly nearing full capacity, so I personally avoid flac files. But, I can see how a quick removable drive might allow more space on my PC (especially since my external hard-drive is a POS to try and access files from). Still doesn't seem like a better option than a CD that I can play in a DVD player, gaming system, car stereo, walkman or any other rather convenient device everyone seems to own at least one of.

[WayneArnold]

jakesstuff_69, on 10 May 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

I don't really understand why people want the archive stuff on vinyl

Because...

jakesstuff_69, on 10 May 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

I personally don't own or ever intend to own a record player,

:rofl:/>


Why have a strong opinion on something you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT?

[kylekasino]

Just to be clear, setting up realistic expectations or generally communicating new information is not the same thing as making an announcement of an announcement.

Not sure why that moniker is being used as a defense mechanism by the team. They are completely different in all respects.

For example;


Making an announcement of an announcement: "Hey Fans, log in on Monday May X to find out new information about the next possible release" Fans check on Monday. "Hey Fans, come back on Friday June X for full details on SPRC Volume one which will be made available for purchase on Tuesday July X " etc etc and so on and so fourth

NOT an announcement of an announcement: "Hey Fans, we are still working on getting approval for a concept, but we target you should see a first release by the end of Q2. Here is a little teaser of what we are working on to get you excited! insert video, song clip, etc.


I hate to dispirit the project as I really want to support it and know the people involved are working hard to accomplish something great, however it's just becoming apparently clear to me that this team of fans are severely lacking in two major areas:

1) any kind of real business/marketing sense whatsoever.
Piece of evidence #1 - launching the project with no substance
Piece of evidence #2 - alienating people right off the back via a failure to communicate catalogue, goals, timelines, etc
Piece of evidence #3 - wasting time by creating a generic survey that will likely provide no real tangible useful information.

2) any kind of compassion or empathy or understanding as to what the fans have suffered through already with this archive project. Which I must say is really fucking weird to me? I can make all the posts and suggestions and fill out all the surveys in the world, but I could not feel less involved and more helpless under the current regime of how things are being done, and I sincerely don't get how this team of fans is unable to understand this. You want people to feel involved? Start a Lucky 13 twitter and post some kind of tease or hint once every day or couple days, this way they will be trusting that things are coming along, or be understanding when there are delays. You want faith and trust? Isn't kind of arrogant not to expect to have to earn that?


Is it honestly so wrong to ask what were the reasons for the delay of the new forum, and when, approximately, we should be able to expect a first release, without being made to feel like a guilty asshole around here?

[davidp2007]

There is actually a Lucky 13 twitter. Though it's not that active at the moment. Yes, it doesn't need to be announcements of announcements for something to said. But at the same time, I suppose it could get redundant if they expect to say what is coming up soon and then it feels like their wheels are just spinning because it's not progressing as fast at they would like.

[RottingApples]

People were whining when they were on here saying things because it wasn't to their liking, and now people are whining because they're choosing to stay silent until they have something important to say... :rolleyes:/>

[kylekasino]

davidp2007, on 11 May 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

There is actually a Lucky 13 twitter. Though it's not that active at the moment. Yes, it doesn't need to be announcements of announcements for something to said. But at the same time, I suppose it could get redundant if they expect to say what is coming up soon and then it feels like their wheels are just spinning because it's not progressing as fast at they would like.

It wouldn't get redundant though so long as work was actually being done. Post a picture here or there of some team members sorting through things. Or post something like "Big meeting with Billy!" Shit even Quinto used to give some like blurbs that kept people in the loop with what he was doing. Excite us, by how passionately you are engaged with what you are doing!

It could be anything really. Simple, concise, teaser updates on the regular, so even without an official timeline or release date, we can follow along and kind of gauge for ourselves how close things are to happening, within a reasonably vague period of time. The whole point being to keep people engaged in the process by actually making them apart of it so they can follow along with that narrative. For those who are not the Lucky 13, to be able to live vicariously through them. It's a fan's wet dream. Exploit that to your advantage, instead of the opposite, which is getting people to hate on you because you won the proverbial lottery and are pissing away the money on drugs and alcohol (for lack of a better analogy).

I think the biggest problem, stemming from the complaints of the naysayers, is that there is actually no tangible evidence that any real work is being done. In one month, not one official update. Not even the forum that was suggested, which is still on the way however without any further reference to a projected timeline. I'm not saying that there aren't wheels in motion, but given the entire past history of the archives, it is extremely presumptious to just say here we are, but when you don't hear from us for a month, don't worry just trust us. For 13 people, it feels like maybe a couple of hours a week are getting devoted to this at best. They hop on Skype, have a few debates that don't really go anywhere, and that's it. Someone created a survey and here or there people log in and check the numbers. Supposedly they sent something to Billy a while back though, so who knows, they could be sitting on their asses waiting patiently. But even then, instead of being handcuffed like that waiting on the higher ups, there are so many other things they could be doing to show productivity that only takes five minutes here, or five minutes there.

Five fucking minutes, once a week, to post some kind of update not only to show appreciation for how lucky you are, but for how much you appreciate the fans for following along with you and supporting this project despite all the bad karma it's had. It's like everyone is so damned afraid of making a false promise or announcement or hint of something that may or may not happen that everyone is completely frozen. Well this is an organism. Starve it and it will die. The dead air space is going to build up to unbearable levels that people will be so upset by the time anything actually does come out that unless it's the second coming of MCIS, they'll just end up stealing it out of spite instead and ultimately the project will fail. Nobody here wants that.

Yet the totalitarian order, aka the all powerful illuminati around here are clear to suggest that anyone who isn't in completete blind faith of a bunch of people (most of whom who even refuse to identify themselves), are demanding, negative, whining, jerks. It just seems like such a pointless war to be having, you know? This team, despite their many years of SP fandom, don't have an honest clue about how to engage this fanbase in the appropriate fashion, and in the end that may be the biggest tragedy of all if this project fails, since if we can't trust these supposed hardcores to understand something that appears to be so simple to most of the rest of us, how can we expect Billy or anyone else to ever get it?

RottingApples, on 11 May 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

People were whining when they were on here saying things because it wasn't to their liking, and now people are whining because they're choosing to stay silent until they have something important to say... :rolleyes:/>

I'm sorry I don't recall anything because said whatesoever where people complained that it wasn't to their liking. The only things that were said were that "we aren't saying anything" for fear of broken promises. So please enlighten me on how our realities differ if you'd be so inclined.

[TheLucky13]

We apologize for any inconvenience. We did not think that our current updates were interesting enough to post.

As stated previously, we sent Billy a proposal with 4 suggested archive items to release. Our initial requests were based on a combination of past and current data (data based on fan demand). There was a lot of back and forth, and Billy said that our #1 request item for release was a good idea. We are currently negotiating preliminary format/pricing systems for the first release with Billy. Once Billy approves a preliminary format/pricing structure and says that the first release is a 100% go, we will finally reveal the first release and the initial preliminary format/pricing systems. We will make this announcement on the dedicated Lucky 13 forum that has been setup. We have not made the Lucky 13 forum public as a few fans stated that they did not want another place where people could just request random stuff and talk in circles.

We are looking forward to announcing the first release and getting fan input to tweak/improve the format/pricing systems.

Please keep in mind that future releases will not exactly roll out the same way. This is the first release...we are trying to not repeat mistakes from the past and we are all new at this (as anyone would be).

To the people that are complaining about the current pace of the project, please refer back to the 1-hour interview with Billy. In his mind at the time, he expected us to send suggestions for the first release 3 MONTHS after The Lucky 13 was announced. We got back to him 1 week later.

[standing]

TheLucky13, on 11 May 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

We apologize for any inconvenience. We did not think that our current updates were interesting enough to post.

As stated previously, we sent Billy a proposal with 4 suggested archive items to release. Our initial requests were based on a combination of past and current data (data based on fan demand). There was a lot of back and forth, and Billy said that our #1 request item for release was a good idea. We are currently negotiating preliminary format/pricing systems for the first release with Billy. Once Billy approves a preliminary format/pricing structure and says that the first release is a 100% go, we will finally reveal the first release and the initial preliminary format/pricing systems. We will make this announcement on the dedicated Lucky 13 forum that has been setup. We have not made the Lucky 13 forum public as a few fans stated that they did not want another place where people could just request random stuff and talk in circles.

We are looking forward to announcing the first release and getting fan input to tweak/improve the format/pricing systems.

Please keep in mind that future releases will not exactly roll out the same way. This is the first release...we are trying to not repeat mistakes from the past and we are all new at this (as anyone would be).

To the people that are complaining about the current pace of the project, please refer back to the 1-hour interview with Billy. In his mind at the time, he expected us to send suggestions for the first release 3 MONTHS after The Lucky 13 was announced. We got back to him 1 week later.

this sounds good. I hope the release announcement is soon!!! :)/>

[kylekasino]

TheLucky13, on 11 May 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

We apologize for any inconvenience. We did not think that our current updates were interesting enough to post.

As stated previously, we sent Billy a proposal with 4 suggested archive items to release. Our initial requests were based on a combination of past and current data (data based on fan demand). There was a lot of back and forth, and Billy said that our #1 request item for release was a good idea. We are currently negotiating preliminary format/pricing systems for the first release with Billy. Once Billy approves a preliminary format/pricing structure and says that the first release is a 100% go, we will finally reveal the first release and the initial preliminary format/pricing systems. We will make this announcement on the dedicated Lucky 13 forum that has been setup. We have not made the Lucky 13 forum public as a few fans stated that they did not want another place where people could just request random stuff and talk in circles.

We are looking forward to announcing the first release and getting fan input to tweak/improve the format/pricing systems.

Please keep in mind that future releases will not exactly roll out the same way. This is the first release...we are trying to not repeat mistakes from the past and we are all new at this (as anyone would be).

To the people that are complaining about the current pace of the project, please refer back to the 1-hour interview with Billy. In his mind at the time, he expected us to send suggestions for the first release 3 MONTHS after The Lucky 13 was announced. We got back to him 1 week later.

Thank you for the timely and detailed response. You have nothing to apologize for exactly. I would simply say that everything you guys do is interesting to a vast group of SPRC fans, don't underestimate how cool some of the little things are, and how important that communication is to the long term success of the project.

As far as the timelines go, I remember reading the interview but didn't recall Billy suggesting it should take 3 months to build the proposal. It's great that you guys were so ahead of the game in that respect. I think it would have been of benefit upon the launch to make it clear that people would likely not see any fruits of your labour until at least 3 months and then another three for product laugh - so an approx. 6 month wait for the first release, that way anything you guys came back with before then would've been a nice bonus, right? But again, I don't think the complaint's are so much to do with the pace of the project, as with the lack of insight into the process. And when I say that, it's absolutely great you take the time to respond to posts on here, but a lot of people may miss said posts, while an official update on the facebook page or wherever else would probably give it a lot more credence, and give the project kind of a linear timeline to follow outside of having to sift through countless pages of this thread, or any others.

Interesting to note that the forum is up and running, just not available to the public. Is that merely to avoid more bitching as mentioned, or would it have anything to do with a site relaunch with new designs? Just curious.

Thanks again for reaching out and providing some clarity on the status. Much appreciated.

[TheLucky13]

kylekasino, on 11 May 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

Thank you for the timely and detailed response. You have nothing to apologize for exactly. I would simply say that everything you guys do is interesting to a vast group of SPRC fans, don't underestimate how cool some of the little things are, and how important that communication is to the long term success of the project.

As far as the timelines go, I remember reading the interview but didn't recall Billy suggesting it should take 3 months to build the proposal. It's great that you guys were so ahead of the game in that respect. I think it would have been of benefit upon the launch to make it clear that people would likely not see any fruits of your labour until at least 3 months and then another three for product laugh - so an approx. 6 month wait for the first release, that way anything you guys came back with before then would've been a nice bonus, right? But again, I don't think the complaint's are so much to do with the pace of the project, as with the lack of insight into the process. And when I say that, it's absolutely great you take the time to respond to posts on here, but a lot of people may miss said posts, while an official update on the facebook page or wherever else would probably give it a lot more credence, and give the project kind of a linear timeline to follow outside of having to sift through countless pages of this thread, or any others.

Interesting to note that the forum is up and running, just not available to the public. Is that merely to avoid more bitching as mentioned, or would it have anything to do with a site relaunch with new designs? Just curious.

Thanks again for reaching out and providing some clarity on the status. Much appreciated.

Yes, perhaps we underestimated the importance of a few updates. We will definitely re-evaluate how we will post future updates & announcements.
The interview is currently only available in audio. We will post a text summary of the interview in a few days. It is quite difficult for us to post set timelines as we are not involved in the production/manufacturing process. We hope to be clearer on timelines once we have gone through a few releases from start to finish.

We have setup a FAQ topic on the Lucky 13 forum. We hope to compile our responses to questions there. Our major updates are listed here in the form of a timeline: http://www.crestfall...m/the-lucky-13/

It is not to avoid 'bitching' at all. We just feel that it is best to launch the forum with the announcement of the first release. There are dedicated topics for specific subject matter and only the Lucky 13 team can start topics. We are aiming for conversations to be more organized and easier to follow over there.

[RottingApples]

kylekasino, on 11 May 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

I'm sorry I don't recall anything because said whatesoever where people complained that it wasn't to their liking. The only things that were said were that "we aren't saying anything" for fear of broken promises. So please enlighten me on how our realities differ if you'd be so inclined.

You don't remember Drev (amongst others) posting about how useless the information was that was being posted, fans whining here and on facebook especially about how they should just keep quiet and only post something when they have something important to say? I recall plenty of whining when Lucky 13 was first posting a few weeks back, and now I see fans whining about how they aren't saying anything. I get and share the sentiment of wanting regular updates (it was the one good thing when Quinto was on board), but I don't feel so needy as to expect constant communication at this point. It's obvious things weren't ready when they first announced it, we all know that, and that's too bad. But I don't demand or expect, or even really want them to be saying and announcing things until there's actually things to say/ release.

TheLucky13, on 11 May 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

We apologize for any inconvenience. We did not think that our current updates were interesting enough to post.

As stated previously, we sent Billy a proposal with 4 suggested archive items to release. Our initial requests were based on a combination of past and current data (data based on fan demand). There was a lot of back and forth, and Billy said that our #1 request item for release was a good idea. We are currently negotiating preliminary format/pricing systems for the first release with Billy. Once Billy approves a preliminary format/pricing structure and says that the first release is a 100% go, we will finally reveal the first release and the initial preliminary format/pricing systems. We will make this announcement on the dedicated Lucky 13 forum that has been setup. We have not made the Lucky 13 forum public as a few fans stated that they did not want another place where people could just request random stuff and talk in circles.

We are looking forward to announcing the first release and getting fan input to tweak/improve the format/pricing systems.

Please keep in mind that future releases will not exactly roll out the same way. This is the first release...we are trying to not repeat mistakes from the past and we are all new at this (as anyone would be).

To the people that are complaining about the current pace of the project, please refer back to the 1-hour interview with Billy. In his mind at the time, he expected us to send suggestions for the first release 3 MONTHS after The Lucky 13 was announced. We got back to him 1 week later.

And this is nice. I like hearing this. :)/>

[jakesstuff_69]

WayneArnold, on 11 May 2012 - 06:29 AM, said:

Because...




:rofl:/>


Why have a strong opinion on something you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT?

I have about a dozen friends who collect vinyl albums and play them around me, so "something you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT" is a rather misguided opinion from you. I've listened to plenty of music on record players to know that I still don't give a shit about them. (and could care even less about having live/bootleg material pressed on vinyl) And still as far as this project is concerned, it'd be kind of a waste to make vinyl in the effort of making the archive an available and a sustainable project.

[Drevpile]

Well, this isn't playing out quite as I expected as a project run by fans for fans.

[standing]

Drevpile, on 12 May 2012 - 03:17 AM, said:

Well, this isn't playing out quite as I expected as a project run by fans for fans.

what about by lucky fans for unlucky fans? I'm just joking. things are going ok. once releases start we will be able to see what we think.

[Drevpile]

why, if they have aggregated fans views about what the release should be, can't they tell us what our collective view supposedly is? Ludicrous.

Not trying to be negative.... so yes, well, at least they're doing something.

[TheLucky13]

Drevpile, on 13 April 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

5) [a] Do not, DO NOT, bandy about pricing, release models, packaging or anything else for a product which does not exist. Seriously, I repeat, do not do this again

The item does not exist until we get 100% approval from Billy. Negotiations for a release might still fall through at this point. However, we feel that the results from the latest survey will strongly back our initial suggestions for formats and pricing. Are we wrong to assume that many fans will 'lose it' if they know what we are currently negotiating for release to perhaps later find out that the idea has been scrapped and said item will never see the light of day?

It is too simplistic to think that this is a project run by fans and for fans. At the end of the day, Billy is our boss. He is the mastermind of the project and he is the one really 'running' things. He alone makes final decisions. It is not exactly easy to 'protect' both Billy and hardcore fans at the same time.

[Drevpile]

I will try my best to shut up now as clearly I am on a different planet. Sorry. Good luck. Seriously.

[WayneArnold]

jakesstuff_69, on 12 May 2012 - 01:28 AM, said:

And still as far as this project is concerned, it'd be kind of a waste to make vinyl in the effort of making the archive an available and a sustainable project.

And people are currently spending over 50 bucks on a demo pressed on a flexi disc because?