[dudehitscar]

saintrenee, on 28 March 2012 - 07:37 AM, said:

Do you feel that people who want families to have only two children due to their belief of having to control population are fear mongers?

Limiting population growth is a good concept to explore and talk about.. I have no problems with it in general but not as a enforced limit on the number of kids you have.

If you are suggesting that the federal government is going to create a limit on kids and enforce it in our lifetime then you are absolutely just spreading fear for no reason. What bills have been introduced to do such a thing? What candidates support it? Why would the voters allow that to happen and not vote our supports of such a policy?

This doesn't even make sense according to Alex Jone's own worldview.. why would the government do that if it's controlled by the world elites.. they benefit from having an increasing population (rising real estate prices, more consumers, more labor = cheap labor, etc etc).

MoonPI, on 28 March 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

Well I sometimes listen to Alex Jones, I find him interesting.. don't know if I believr everything, but do not discount anything either...the media pill, is a hard pill to swallow...I don't believe the things the media tries to shove down our throats.. I am curious about one thing Alex has been talking about for years now.. War with Iran, and the start of WWIII...he had someone (an insider) on his show late last year and this person said the stage is set! It is a planned war and will start end of summer or early fall of 2012...

wonder if it will really happen??

Alex is part of the media.. he is an extreme form of what makes CNN/FOX/ and all that bad. He is making money by propaganda and sensationalism..

as far as Iran.. we have been inching towards war with Iran for over 4 decades.. Alex Jones does not have to be a genius to see that.. but if he is suggesting that Obama ran for office with the intention to start WWIII despite any and all consequences then he's a fear mongering idiot IMO.

[saintrenee]

When you know a New World Order is the desired outcome, you realize the old world order needs to be debunked, crippled and reset.The global financial and economic structure has been brought to the brink. Sovereignty is being scuttled worldwide, and the population is taking to the streets.

^Say it isn't so.^

Infowars.com
January 9, 2012

War in the Middle East now appears imminent as the United States, Britain, the European Union, and Israel put the finishing touches on an embargo on Iran – a de facto declaration of war – and warships steam toward the Persian Gulf.

Consider the following recent developments:

U.S.-Israeli War Game in Persian Gulf
http://www.infowars....-world-war-iii/

dudehitscar, on 28 March 2012 - 08:50 AM, said:

Limiting population growth is a good concept to explore and talk about.. I have no problems with it in general but not as a enforced limit on the number of kids you have.

If you are suggesting that the federal government is going to create a limit on kids and enforce it in our lifetime then you are absolutely just spreading fear for no reason. What bills have been introduced to do such a thing? What candidates support it? Why would the voters allow that to happen and not vote our supports of such a policy?

This doesn't even make sense according to Alex Jone's own worldview.. why would the government do that if it's controlled by the world elites.. they benefit from having an increasing population (rising real estate prices, more consumers, more labor = cheap labor, etc etc).

Yes.I agree with you completely.It was just some around here saying that.And It didn't make any sense to me either.I know You never said that though.

[MoonPI]

dudehitscar, on 28 March 2012 - 08:50 AM, said:

Limiting population growth is a good concept to explore and talk about.. I have no problems with it in general but not as a enforced limit on the number of kids you have.

If you are suggesting that the federal government is going to create a limit on kids and enforce it in our lifetime then you are absolutely just spreading fear for no reason. What bills have been introduced to do such a thing? What candidates support it? Why would the voters allow that to happen and not vote our supports of such a policy?

This doesn't even make sense according to Alex Jone's own worldview.. why would the government do that if it's controlled by the world elites.. they benefit from having an increasing population (rising real estate prices, more consumers, more labor = cheap labor, etc etc).



Alex is part of the media.. he is an extreme form of what makes CNN/FOX/ and all that bad. He is making money by propaganda and sensationalism..

as far as Iran.. we have been inching towards war with Iran for over 4 decades.. Alex Jones does not have to be a genius to see that.. but if he is suggesting that Obama ran for office with the intention to start WWIII despite any and all consequences then he's a fear mongering idiot IMO.

Yes I am sure he is making money from sensationalism...I don't buy everything he sells.. I don't think Obama has anything to do with it necessarily...

[dudehitscar]

MoonPI, on 28 March 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

Yes I am sure he is making money from sensationalism...I don't buy everything he sells.. I don't think Obama has anything to do with it necessarily...

obama is the commander in chief.. how does he not have anything to do with starting WWIII?

[MoonPI]

dudehitscar, on 28 March 2012 - 09:20 AM, said:

obama is the commander in chief.. how does he not have anything to do with starting WWIII?

sorry for being so vague... If what Alex Jones and his insider are saying is true...It does not matter who is commander in chief..the stage is set by those behind the scenes..not by Obama himself..it could be any commander in chief and it would not make a difference, they are just the puppets...

[dudehitscar]

MoonPI, on 28 March 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

sorry for being so vague... If what Alex Jones and his insider are saying is true...It does not matter who is commander in chief..the stage is set by those behind the scenes..not by Obama himself..it could be any commander in chief and it would not make a difference, they are just the puppets...

That's even more absurd... F.e.a.r.m.o.n.g.e.r.

:nope:/>

[saintrenee]

@Dudeshitscar
I can't find where he said the date was exact.I'm sorry I was mistaken about the date.It was the incident that was exact.At 5:15 if you begin there it's the part about a date and the film.





CNN Caught Airing Fake Broadcast During Gulf War 8-24-09 Part 1
If anyone cares to view this I suggest to start at point 5:50 to bypass all the talking.I remember Bodhi posting this news clip before.Not this one but about the fake media.

[MoonPI]

dudehitscar, on 28 March 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

That's even more absurd... F.e.a.r.m.o.n.g.e.r.

:nope:/>

ahaha, well you never know?? That is why I wait to see what happens to see if in fact anything he claimed will take place around the time he claims...at this point I am not 100% sold, but I am also not discounting it either...I have seen many programs about the elitists?? running this country not just from Alex Jones, but also on the history channel and documentary channel..so I just keep an open mind to it all..

[dudehitscar]

saintrenee, on 29 March 2012 - 04:41 AM, said:

@Dudeshitscar
I can't find where he said the date was exact.I'm sorry I was mistaken about the date.It was the incident that was exact.At 5:15 if you begin there it's the part about a date and the film.





CNN Caught Airing Fake Broadcast During Gulf War 8-24-09 Part 1
If anyone cares to view this I suggest to start at point 5:50 to bypass all the talking.I remember Bodhi posting this news clip before.Not this one but about the fake media.

So the 'global elites', in conjunction with the us government, blew up the bp oil rig but first placed the details of the spill in some random Nic Cage movie just to fuck with us.. all in an attempt to raise gas taxes, carbon taxes, etc that never happened anyway? What a load of bs.

I mean if that's the plan then why not just keep blowing up oil rigs until they achieve there goal. How did the elites get to the writers of 'The Knowing' and why would the writers give a shit? what's in it for them? This is the problem with Alex Jones ranting about 'media, government, system, etc' He constantly assumes that everyone within them has the overbearing script they all play to.. but in reality it is made up of individuals with many competing interests/motivations that would make it IMPOSSIBLE to coordinate some global takeover by a shadow government.

stupid fearmonger is stupid. Please stop talking about him like he's some prophet.

MoonPI, on 29 March 2012 - 05:16 AM, said:

ahaha, well you never know?? That is why I wait to see what happens to see if in fact anything he claimed will take place around the time he claims...at this point I am not 100% sold, but I am also not discounting it either...I have seen many programs about the elitists?? running this country not just from Alex Jones, but also on the history channel and documentary channel..so I just keep an open mind to it all..

keeping an open mind of things is one thing.. it's another to promote a lying fearmonger like Alex Jones. He is hurtful to rational discourse and just as bad as any doomsday preacher. I'll devote my time to finding solutions to real problems instead of listening to tales of 'shadow governments'.

[saintrenee]

@dudehitscar.Please,come down.I absolutely do not view A.J as a prophetic prophet.That's just silly to even suggest.If anything I have always wondered what was his motive as well.
I don't know who to believe about everything but,I don't turn a blind eye to what has been in our world.
A lot of weird things have occurred and truly it has always been over power and greed.Do you in your heart truly believe that man is not capable of such wickedness?History not only reveals just how wicked leaders have been but remain.I can not, not question in my heart what's going on.
Have you seen or heard of the incident where the government sent military to guard a water valve that farmers needed in order to grow their crops?They actually stood guard with weaponry and given order to not allow the water to be turned on.Without the water they would lose their crops and the land.In the end the government won and forcefully took their land,as they have been doing.What's the motive I ask you in all this take over?And you question not the wickedness of mans heart?Also there was a time (I don't have the exact date)but this is a lead to check if you care.There was a case where our government actually went to a very small town somewhere in Alaska .Anyhow one story goes as the Natives boarded a bus which the government had planed for them to in order to utilize them as guinea pigs without their knowing they all died.It is a true story,search it. I am in no way trying to exploit fear in any ones heart.But I can not as I have said time and time again simply turn a blind eye.

Search this if you will:THE HUMAN RADIATION EXPERIMENTS
How scientists secretly used US citizens as guinea pigs
during the Cold War

Oh and dude the list goes on......

[lucciola]

Sadly, it is not surprising Billy would fall prey to this. Critical thinking doesn't appear to be his forte.

I like to think of Jones as an O'Brian type.

[saintrenee]

saintrenee, on 29 March 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

@dudehitscar.Please,come down.I absolutely do not view A.J as a prophetic prophet.That's just silly to even suggest.If anything I have always wondered what was his motive as well.
I don't know who to believe about everything but,I don't turn a blind eye to what has been in our world.
A lot of weird things have occurred and truly it has always been over power and greed.Do you in your heart truly believe that man is not capable of such wickedness?History not only reveals just how wicked leaders have been but remain.I can not, not question in my heart what's going on.
Have you seen or heard of the incident where the government sent military to guard a water valve that farmers needed in order to grow their crops?They actually stood guard with weaponry and given order to not allow the water to be turned on.Without the water they would lose their crops and the land.In the end the government won and forcefully took their land,as they have been doing.What's the motive I ask you in all this take over?And you question not the wickedness of mans heart?Also there was a time (I don't have the exact date)but this is a lead to check if you care.There was a case where our government actually went to a very small town somewhere in Alaska .Anyhow one story goes as the Natives boarded a bus which the government had planed for them to in order to utilize them as guinea pigs without their knowing they all died.It is a true story,search it. I am in no way trying to exploit fear in any ones heart.But I can not as I have said time and time again simply turn a blind eye.

Search this if you will:THE HUMAN RADIATION EXPERIMENTS
How scientists secretly used US citizens as guinea pigs
during the Cold War

Oh and dude the list goes on......

Also...let me please add that I absolutely agreed with you on the fact that by no means should a government enforce against the will of another humane being to have an abortion to limit population growth.That entire concept did not come from me.I have heard it being said amongst the very far left community which is in my heart fear mongering.
If anything I believe whole heartily that people need to be more responsible and stop living off and depending on the government welfare system which supports them each time they have another child which they themselves can not afford to bring into the world. That to me is a grand area to discuss.I am not saying that just because a person may be poor that they are unfit and should not have children,but come on already???I believe that they ought to Stop getting pregnant in hopes of or to receive more government or longer government assistance.I am also opposed of families coming into America illegally just to give birth and receive government assistance.At the same time I do realize that this land was occupied by the real Natives and it was taken from them.I'm really sorry of all that happened to them and still is happening to them but i can't change what happened,though it doesn't make it right for people to sneak across the border these days either.I am not a racist for my feelings concerning the issues at hand.I understand that there is trouble in their own country and some of them just want a safer life,I get that,and opportunity.Besides why hasn't the government controlled that situation?I mean we can drop onto any land and occupy it like nothing but we can not control our boarders?

[february]

Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, they're all like fat filled sensational floating turds that scream with human voices in a public pool. I think Alex Jones makes some issues that need to be discussed ridiculous. He takes healthy distrust and turns it into a joke. Today while everyone is so turned off by fanaticism because of terrorism, fundamentalism, globalization, he turns people that reference him, and any issue they're talking about into jokes. Billy was kind of calling for people to see through that I think. The average person can benefit from some of the material he covers, but he does have a strong tendency towards batshit.

OPEC having the power to influence oil prices, and oil companies intentionally controlling the refinement of oil to effect prices are real issues. Sometimes I think he may be intentionally trying to make people mentally exhausted and numb, detracting from the real issues. If you bring up oil prices, or OPEC, etc., subconsciously you know you're going to have to deal with an upset person referencing his conspiracy stories. I just made up a conspiracy theory about Alex Jones.

I don't think Billy succumbed to anything. He practically said that Alex Jones was a little full of it more than once during that interview. The extreme times we live in these days complicate everything.

[saintrenee]

february, on 29 March 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, they're all like fat filled sensational floating turds that scream with human voices in a public pool. I think Alex Jones makes some issues that need to be discussed ridiculous. He takes healthy distrust and turns it into a joke. Today while everyone is so turned off by fanaticism because of terrorism, fundamentalism, globalization, he turns people that reference him, and any issue they're talking about into jokes. Billy was kind of calling for people to see through that I think. The average person can benefit from some of the material he covers, but he does have a strong tendency towards batshit.

OPEC having the power to influence oil prices, and oil companies intentionally controlling the refinement of oil to effect prices are real issues. Sometimes I think he may be intentionally trying to make people mentally exhausted and numb, detracting from the real issues. If you bring up oil prices, or OPEC, etc., subconsciously you know you're going to have to deal with an upset person referencing his conspiracy stories. I just made up a conspiracy theory about Alex Jones.

I don't think Billy succumbed to anything. He practically said that Alex Jones was a little full of it more than once during that interview. The extreme times we live in these days complicate everything.

February Your first sentence was just :eyebrow:/> .Anyway besides that,YES they are exhausting.You described how I feel inside regarding everything pretty well.How do you do that???I guess maybe even how most of us feel only,I can't speak for others but myself.

[MoonPI]

february, on 29 March 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, they're all like fat filled sensational floating turds that scream with human voices in a public pool. I think Alex Jones makes some issues that need to be discussed ridiculous. He takes healthy distrust and turns it into a joke. Today while everyone is so turned off by fanaticism because of terrorism, fundamentalism, globalization, he turns people that reference him, and any issue they're talking about into jokes. Billy was kind of calling for people to see through that I think. The average person can benefit from some of the material he covers, but he does have a strong tendency towards batshit.

OPEC having the power to influence oil prices, and oil companies intentionally controlling the refinement of oil to effect prices are real issues. Sometimes I think he may be intentionally trying to make people mentally exhausted and numb, detracting from the real issues. If you bring up oil prices, or OPEC, etc., subconsciously you know you're going to have to deal with an upset person referencing his conspiracy stories. I just made up a conspiracy theory about Alex Jones.

I don't think Billy succumbed to anything. He practically said that Alex Jones was a little full of it more than once during that interview. The extreme times we live in these days complicate everything.

Others besides just Jones, Limbaugh, and Beck talk of conspiracy theories...conspiracy just means to CONSPIRE..does not necessarily mean someone is crazy...I do listen to many things, and don't put my faith into any one belief or theory..I take it all in and then base an opinion, and for me there is TOO much out there on all of it to just disregard as sensationalism, or fear-mongering..sure some of it is...but there could possibly be a grain of truth to some of it also...

some conspiracy theories that supposedly were true..

MK-ULTRA
The Tuskegee Experiment
Operation Northwoods

[Martine Castonguay]

saintrenee, on 28 March 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

...I do feel that he is very passionate about it and maybe he has cause to be maybe if he wasn't like that he wouldn't be Alex Jones.

Really? You believe it is the only way to be passionate?

It is really sad when someone stops somewhere in his life and evolve no more. Alex Jones is much more than a specific tone. If it was the case, if he thought he couldn't change, he would be the puppet of the others' idea.

[february]

saintrenee, on 29 March 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

February Your first sentence was just :eyebrow:/> .Anyway besides that,YES they are exhausting.You described how I feel inside regarding everything pretty well.How do you do that???I guess maybe even how most of us feel only,I can't speak for others but myself.

I know the first line is a bit incendiary. I don't mean any serious harm by it, but I say stuff like that to lighten things up sometimes. We take these things so seriously, some people take news people very seriously, but if you can put it all in a way where everyone is equalized by something absurd, then I think it is funny at least.

I'm not always sure that I understand how people feel, but I try to see a bigger picture, and to take everyone's point of view into account. A lot of the time I think that what divides people on either side of an argument is the same thing, but perceived differently. So then the challenge is to interpret the problem in a way that all sides can relate to. Finding out what the problem is is often the hard part.

MoonPI, on 29 March 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

Others besides just Jones, Limbaugh, and Beck talk of conspiracy theories...conspiracy just means to CONSPIRE..does not necessarily mean someone is crazy...I do listen to many things, and don't put my faith into any one belief or theory..I take it all in and then base an opinion, and for me there is TOO much out there on all of it to just disregard as sensationalism, or fear-mongering..sure some of it is...but there could possibly be a grain of truth to some of it also...

some conspiracy theories that supposedly were true..

MK-ULTRA
The Tuskegee Experiment
Operation Northwoods

You're right. The word conspiracy has become overused, and it has a negative connotation. I didn't mean anything personal towards you or anyone by what I said. I agree that there is some truth to a lot of what those guys say. What I was trying to say is that people don't want to think about things in a certain way, but more so a lot of people object to the sensationalist tone that the people I mentioned use. The end product of what Jones puts out often seems more on the extreme end, not only because of the amount of stories he covers that do seem to be inaccurate or absurd, but his overall tone. What I take away from his show a lot of the time is that I should just hide in a bunker somewhere with a ham radio and canned goods. That I can't do anything. That's what I don't like about it, and I think that is what Billy was trying to get at when he talked about bringing things into the light, and not being afraid of them, or painting things too darkly to the point that you can't deal with it because it has become something demonic, or inhuman.

Some things are really that dark, but what good does it do anyone to talk about them as if they can't do anything? I can't find the right words to use. On a personal level that hardly seems to matter, but that I think matters more than most things, our attitude toward our society can change things if we are both aware and positive.

I think this kind of debate is part of what Billy was trying to get at :)/>

[saintrenee]

saintrenee, on 29 March 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

February Your first sentence was just :eyebrow:/> .Anyway besides that,YES they are exhausting.You described how I feel inside regarding everything pretty well.How do you do that???I guess maybe even how most of us feel only,I can't speak for others but myself.

Feb..I should of said that I love how you do that not how do you do that.I know how you do that.It's intuition and a good sense of being able to read others.
I know I have been very annoying here to a lot of you concerning Glen Beck and Alex Jones.I don't always agree with those men but I have learned a lot from them.I have even learned from guys like Michale Moore whether or not he's B.S. too.
I guess I often or have often given an impression that I stood on every word those guys say but the truth is I don't.I haven't listened to those men in a long while and it was because I felt they were manipulating the emotions or attempting too even though I do feel that at times they have been very passionate about issues and not only in our Country but Globally that effect everyone.
It's sort of like I was and am thankful that Glen Beck and A.J would at least reveal names and such that if they have never I would never have even known because the media ain't gonna touch those areas.But I have been turned off plenty of time by these guys . I can't even remember the issues of why but I do remember hearing Beck laughing and making fun of people on his radio broadcast.There was though a time when it was all new to me and I have learned from Beck,a lot from him.Such as how our history books have been removed and replaced.I know I don't always explain myself clearly here online.
Alex turned me off a while ago when he was what seemed to be inciting an up-rise.He was furious or at least it appeared he was.I think it was something to do with him talking about a new world order and how the elitists were poisoning people or something .I can't remember I just knew that I turned off the radio and had enough.I just can't live my life being consumed by any of them.
I do think that they would get a more positive reaction if they would talk without sending forth fear,you know? Like you stated ,there are issues that need addressing but they do seem to joke about it at times,and yes,I have felt they were mocking at times too and yet I have heard G.B display concern more so than A.J.
I don't know these guys and for all I know they are in line with those they talk about as "elitist" and such.For all I know they are a part of that machine and for all I know they are trying to subconsciously mess with minds.
I do think though that things get put out there by these guys and i do wonder how in the world were they permitted or privy to such info?Like Alex would say that Glen has the feds.giving him info and claim that Glen is a part of that machine and yet i have never heard Glen say anything about A.J.
Basically I do not really trust A.J when it all comes down to how I feel inside.As for Beck,I think I would come near more so in trusting in that he is not trying to stir up trouble as compared to A.J
I obviously have conflicting feelings about them.I do try to view it all from every angle.Only I do not know them personally or know exactly what their intentions truly are .
You and some of the others here such as eugoogly,jsapp,dudehitscar,bodhi, Daniel and Martini ( there's more of you here) are so much more politically knowledgeable than I am but at times we don't all see eye to eye on issues,and that's a good thing.Because if did we wouldn't be aware of everything.
I believe we all want the very best for our world and every living thing in it.But we seem to be in a world that is controlled by individuals who cause wars,test dangerous chemicals on people,destroy natural resources,pollute the air and so on.What to do?Will we ever change anything?

february, on 30 March 2012 - 01:37 AM, said:

I know the first line is a bit incendiary. I don't mean any serious harm by it, but I say stuff like that to lighten things up sometimes. We take these things so seriously, some people take news people very seriously, but if you can put it all in a way where everyone is equalized by something absurd, then I think it is funny at least.

I'm not always sure that I understand how people feel, but I try to see a bigger picture, and to take everyone's point of view into account. A lot of the time I think that what divides people on either side of an argument is the same thing, but perceived differently. So then the challenge is to interpret the problem in a way that all sides can relate to. Finding out what the problem is is often the hard part.

You done did it again.I love that about you.

Martine Castonguay, on 30 March 2012 - 01:05 AM, said:

Really? You believe it is the only way to be passionate?

It is really sad when someone stops somewhere in his life and evolve no more. Alex Jones is much more than a specific tone. If it was the case, if he thought he couldn't change, he would be the puppet of the others' idea.

Nope. I don't believe that is the only way.And...I don't approve or like that way about him or any of them.

[neverlastinggaze]

What is the picture that is shows right before mcis? Does anyone know? Inthe background at about 6:40.

[saintrenee]

neverlastinggaze, on 30 March 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

What is the picture that is shows right before mcis? Does anyone know? Inthe background at about 6:40.

I'm not certain if you are referring to the statue of the fountain of youth before the interview ,are you?If so The water from the Fountain of Youth is a symbol an allegory .
There's more than one interpretation Such as:He takes no risk.does not drink the water,but he reversibly corrupts the minds and hearts of others...another is :eternal life or a deathless society.There's probably more.Again I'm not certain what your referring to.Maybe someone else here knows more of what your asking.

[MoonPI]

february, on 30 March 2012 - 01:37 AM, said:

You're right. The word conspiracy has become overused, and it has a negative connotation. I didn't mean anything personal towards you or anyone by what I said. I agree that there is some truth to a lot of what those guys say. What I was trying to say is that people don't want to think about things in a certain way, but more so a lot of people object to the sensationalist tone that the people I mentioned use. The end product of what Jones puts out often seems more on the extreme end, not only because of the amount of stories he covers that do seem to be inaccurate or absurd, but his overall tone. What I take away from his show a lot of the time is that I should just hide in a bunker somewhere with a ham radio and canned goods. That I can't do anything. That's what I don't like about it, and I think that is what Billy was trying to get at when he talked about bringing things into the light, and not being afraid of them, or painting things too darkly to the point that you can't deal with it because it has become something demonic, or inhuman.

Some things are really that dark, but what good does it do anyone to talk about them as if they can't do anything? I can't find the right words to use. On a personal level that hardly seems to matter, but that I think matters more than most things, our attitude toward our society can change things if we are both aware and positive.

I think this kind of debate is part of what Billy was trying to get at :)/>

ahahaa I gotcha :)/> you did hit it right on the nose when you said sometimes Jones makes you feel like you should go hide in a bunker LOL...I think I have felt that way after listening to him a few times :lol:/>

[neverlastinggaze]

saintrenee, on 30 March 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

I'm not certain if you are referring to the statue of the fountain of youth before the interview ,are you?If so The water from the Fountain of Youth is a symbol an allegory .
There's more than one interpretation Such as:He takes no risk.does not drink the water,but he reversibly corrupts the minds and hearts of others...another is :eternal life or a deathless society.There's probably more.Again I'm not certain what your referring to.Maybe someone else here knows more of what your asking.

I meant the picture shown in the background. They have album and single covers rotating in the background and the one right before mcis at around 6:40 I don't know which one. It's black and white with what seems to b a tree and the ame Smashing Pumpkins. Could it be Machina 2? That cover seems different though. I have never seen it.

[saintrenee]

neverlastinggaze, on 30 March 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

I meant the picture shown in the background. They have album and single covers rotating in the background and the one right before mcis at around 6:40 I don't know which one. It's black and white with what seems to b a tree and the ame Smashing Pumpkins. Could it be Machina 2? That cover seems different though. I have never seen it.

I was searching the video and the only thing I saw at point6:40 was that fountain.But now that you mentioned the pumpkins music covers maybe someone would help us figure it out that is familiar with that.I'm curious as to what it is.

[saintrenee]

I will look through it and see if I can figure out what your talking about.

[werideatdusk]

The whole theory about a coordinated effort to impose a New World Order is a bit farfetched for me. Nationalism's seductive character means that the powers that be would be foolish to dissolve national sovereignty... it's all about maintaining a fragile tension between all these forces, namely the cold war and now the balance of power with China and Russia. The US is falling in influence but other national actors are stepping in and they are in no hurry to sacrifice the propaganda war they've been winning in order to impose some sort of Official World Government.

In reality, there is already an order in place which benefits a select few, but it's a bigger group than conspiracy theorists assume, and it's a LOT less coordinated than in the fantasies. You don't need to watch Alex Jones or his ilk, with all their 'hidden knowledge' and 'ultimate truths', to see that those in power have absolutely conspired to consolidate their power and rape the planet to the brink of disaster in order to profit. Going overboard on these alien-intervention yarns ultimately serves to discredit the legitimate need for people to take the power back and pivot to a sustainable world system.

[neverlastinggaze]

saintrenee, on 31 March 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:

I was searching the video and the only thing I saw at point6:40 was that fountain.But now that you mentioned the pumpkins music covers maybe someone would help us figure it out that is familiar with that.I'm curious as to what it is.

I made a snap shot!
This is the picture that I don't recognise:

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Number of downloads: 0

[BlueSkiesBringTears]

lucciola, on 29 March 2012 - 07:00 AM, said:

I like to think of Jones as an O'Brian type.

I'm not privy to this reference. Who/what is O'Brian?

[lemonscure]

neverlastinggaze, on 01 April 2012 - 12:59 AM, said:

I made a snap shot!
This is the picture that I don't recognise:

http://images.fanpop...99_1024_768.jpg
this is a wallpaper made by a fan.

[neverlastinggaze]

lemonscure, on 01 April 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:

http://images.fanpop...99_1024_768.jpg
this is a wallpaper made by a fan.

Aaah mystery solved! Thanx!
How cool if your wallpaper shows up between all the covers.
It's quite a nice wallpaper to!

[saintrenee]

neverlastinggaze, on 01 April 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

Aaah mystery solved! Thanx!
How cool if your wallpaper shows up between all the covers.
It's quite a nice wallpaper to!

:happy:/>

[saintrenee]

March 7, 2009 Interesting article only the video content is now private.Also speaks a bit on the club of Rome.In 1972, the Club of Rome published “The Limits to Growth,” a book arguing for Malthusian solutions to world population. The Club of Rome is a globalist think-tank closely interlocked with the Bilderberg Group, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Trilateral Commission ( “The Round Table’s Bilderberg Network”). “These are dominated by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, and major manipulators like Henry Kissinger,”

http://www.infowars....us-food-supply/

[Beat Poet]

That was a pretty good int, Billy spoke well as usual. I can't say I'm familiar with Alex Jones, but at least there are people like him out there interviewing people like Billy!

[lucciola]

BlueSkiesBringTears, on 01 April 2012 - 02:41 AM, said:

I'm not privy to this reference. Who/what is O'Brian?

Sure you are. Although come to think of it isn't it O'Brien? Did that throw you? Sorry.

This post has been edited by lucciola: 06 April 2012 - 01:18 PM

[BlueSkiesBringTears]

lucciola, on 06 April 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

Sure you are. Although come to think of it isn't it O'Brien? Did that throw you? Sorry.

Yeah, it's been a long, long time since I read the book, and that spelling wasn't helpful to my search results. Totally with you now, though. That's a really disturbing, even terrifying, idea.

[bodhisattva]

the music industry and movie industry, independent and signed are controlled by the illuminati.

we are all the illuminati, programmed to the point that we don't even know it.

go USA.

[dudehitscar]

bodhisattva, on 24 May 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

the music industry and movie industry, independent and signed are controlled by the illuminati.

we are all the illuminati, programmed to the point that we don't even know it.

go USA.

Source?

[bodhisattva]

dudehitscar, on 24 May 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

Source?

deep throat

its actually all mainstream media, not just movies and music. the news, the reality tv shows, the right and the left and everything in between.

deep programming and blatant displays, everywhere.

but Alex Jones is most likely CIA, or at least deals with a few handlers.

[ShamanO]

a religious coworker asked me if I was a part of the illuminati last week all I could do is laugh and say no

[bodhisattva]

ShamanO, on 24 May 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

a religious coworker asked me if I was a part of the illuminati last week all I could do is laugh and say no

see, you are. we all are, we just don't know it yet.

your co-worker sees the real you, hidden from your view.

like i said, deep programming.

giggles

when you know what you are looking for the signs are everywhere. almost little sign posts they put out as jokes to themselves at the egotistical display of all the levels of society they've infiltrated.

often the illuminati are the ones yelling loudest about the illuminati, to spread fear of them and heighten awareness and make you believe they are omnipresent. just like me, saying this now, part of the illuminati whether I know it or not.

[ShamanO]

hmm she's afraid of the illuminati though, but not afraid of me

[bodhisattva]

ShamanO, on 24 May 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

hmm she's afraid of the illuminati though, but not afraid of me

oh, she must be the illuminati than.

just kidding.

yeah some people are mega paranoid.

if you seem intelligent they assume the worst. like you have been fraternizing with Galileo and Stephen Hawking over tea in the ethereal realm with grey aliens.

in the day you'd had been a witch. ...

maybe you are a witch.

hmm.

[ShamanO]

that's something I wouldn't know. you could change the w to a b tho and I could see that as being a possibility more so than a witch :p/>

[bodhisattva]

i could, but i wouldn't do that.

there is some good examples of illuminati/free mason imagery or displays in so many music videos and movies today. its so common place people just blow it off as some new agey neat lookin stuff. this is the cult of the usa, the hidden element of our government, and many others worldwide. this is a fascist element of many societies rearing its ugly head and hijacking cultures and nations.

I always chuckle when I see this one..

[ShamanO]

um I like it in an artsy way, and can understand the cult nature of it, but I just continue to keep an open mind and try not to let it control me into a massive fear/panic