[rosenkreuzer]

pdf and mp3 is groundbreaking. exactly what fans want to have.

[Drevpile]

TheLucky13, on 16 April 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

No, not at all.

They say us Brit's have a rather dry sense of humour, I'm assuming, by this, you're not attuned.

rosenkreuzer, on 16 April 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

pdf and mp3 is groundbreaking. exactly what fans want to have.

:lol:/>

[TalkingHead]

rosenkreuzer, on 16 April 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

again my question:

why didn't corgan learned from the past then he would already knew the answers you
lucky 13 team now want to find out?

as if we haven't discussed everything in the last few years.
it seems to me that corgan want some more attention for
selling old stuff instead of reading/ listening to the fans who already
told their opinions several times.
and how comes he know takes us serious? (besides he wants to sell stuff.)

Uhhh... this.

Are you using information already compiled by Quinto, by the way? Just curious.

[TheLucky13]

breathesgelatin, on 15 April 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

OK, this brings up another question. I agree that things are somewhat different now than they were a few years ago, with the concept of Kickstarter and the legal issues being sorted out.

You mention that you want to release high-quality stuff. Billy recently said he would release more stuff if the expectations for quality weren't so high as to be unrealistic (I'm paraphrasing). I would like to convey that I would always err on the side of fans hearing more stuff rather than only releasing really polished stuff. For example, if you release an acoustic Teargarden demo (or whatever), everyone should realize it is an acoustic demo and not a finished product and thus take that into account. I know I certainly would. I just fear that this need to release only "high-quality" stuff is going to lead to stuff not being released. I personally have enjoyed a lot of things Billy has not deemed "high-quality," for example the Spirits in the Sky music which Billy said was "B-level material" or something like that. Obviously the project needs to break even, but I would hate for stuff not to be released because of some assumption that it is not good enough when it is actually amazing (like the Spirits in the Sky music).

I get that you would probably not release, for example, a live audio file that was not recorded well or in good quality, but that's a different matter.

Yes, we were referring to audio files that were not recorded well.

[TheLucky13]

ChrisHill, on 16 April 2012 - 03:42 AM, said:

I know you're just following Billy's lead here, but a positive response is irrelevant unless we're trying to bring Tinkerbell back to life. Half the internet is devoted to making negative comments about Apple, yet somehow they've managed to flourish in the marketplace.

Everyone here, even those who have been cynical, would love to see an archive project that works, but wanting something to happen and spending actual money are very different things. Just look at the 20th anniversary shows. It was a long-running sentiment that the band should sell soundboard copies of their shows, but when the price tag was $15 for mp3s and $22 for a CD it didn't do so well. So there's some *actual* data to start with: $15 is too much for mp3 downloads of a live concert, and $22 is too much for a live concert CD unless maybe it's packaged with something else like pictures or notes from Billy or something.

Chris Hill

Yes, thank you for your input.
To clarify, "overwhelmingly positive response" meant that fans have been very open to giving suggestions and ideas for the project.

[TheLucky13]

rosenkreuzer, on 16 April 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

again my question:

why didn't corgan learned from the past then he would already knew the answers you
lucky 13 team now want to find out?

as if we haven't discussed everything in the last few years.
it seems to me that corgan want some more attention for
selling old stuff instead of reading/ listening to the fans who already
told their opinions several times.
and how comes he know takes us serious? (besides he wants to sell stuff.)

As stated previously, we do not see a problem with gathering fresh data and making sure that we are on the same page as current fans that are still actively following the band. There are many aspects related to this project that have changed over the years. For instance, SP had 1.3 million likes on Facebook in September 2011, and now they have almost 2.3 million likes. There has been a similar increase on their Twitter and so on. The reach is larger, the fan base has changed and we also have in mind the fans that do not post on message boards. For a project of this scope, it is necessary to gather recent data and we have been doing so in both a quantitative and qualitative manner. We will soon have a dedicated forum and polls. Please consider that participating in a survey is a personal choice.

[standing]

davidp2007, on 16 April 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

I agree with you and standing. I know that things cost a lot of money to produce, but somehow it has to made affordable. I had the same feeling about the anniversary shows, though I only ended up buying the two that I went to. I can understand that it was probably more economical to produce something in that fashion when they were releasing all those shows in such a short period of time. But I think for physical releases as you said, it would be more enticing to have pics or notes from Billy, something a little extra to make it worthwhile. In this case, I don't think anyone expects SP to release physical releases for the same number of shows in the same period of time as the 20th anniversary, so it might be more doable to do that sort of thing for this project. Maybe make it a limited edition (someone mentioned this before) and numbered.

Making the live shows as $5-7 digital downloads as standing mentioned, might be a better model and then if there is an enough demand, have the physical release and give a discount to the people who have already purchased the digital download.

Yeah releasing materials according to different types (eg. live, outtakes, etc) might be the best way to go to gauge further interest. Some people may be interested in one type of archival material and less interest in others.

I understand that there is bound to be skepticism as we have burned before, but belittling others for their involvement in the project is not constructive. I think Billy was probably trying to get varying perspectives from different aspects/parts of the fandom as I mentioned before. Whether this strategy will work, it's hard to know. If I was in Billy's position, I probably would have done the same thing, keeping in mind, that some of these people would be more knowledgeable about trading/live recordings and those that are knowledgeable about the Pumpkins back catalogue and what could be out there, along with others that can bring their own unique perspectives on things. Bringing in people from SPFC and SPfreaks for example could be a good thing. Again, hopefully this new strategy works and we can start enjoying more of the archives soon!

something you said in here made me realize sonething. billy has talked about wanting this thing to pay up front for itself and such, and now people are talking about kickstarter. well, what if they put up a digital download of something like a show; and then the sales went towatd manufacturing a physical release of it? the AMOUNT of sales would guide in how many to manufacture ifyou wanted to make less and keep things limited. AND THEN the people who payed in by buying the download could get a discount worth the purchase price of the download off the physical product price. this would both entice people to buy in (by giving them audio early); AND discourage people from being lazy and just waiting for the physical release to drop before paying anything (because by buying the download, youre actually partially pre-paying for the near-future product). this way by paying for a download you are casting a vote for what you want in physical, AND giving marketing data as far as how many to manufacture. a quick addition to this idea: if it ran like that, lucky13 could perhaps consider telling us in advance how many downloads have to sell forsomething to come out physical. theh could even put a meter on the site beside of the show, telling you howmany had been purchased out of how many needed. it might be a stretch, but that COULD lead to some helpful guerrilla-type marketing. for instance: if i really want a certain show in special physical release, and i can see that its sold 75 out of 100 units needed, i could advertise to friends andaround on facebook and twitter and such to try to get it to sell 25 more times. if lucky13 doesnt want to make a physical release of every show that sells a certain number of dow loads, heres an alternate spin to the idea that is also fan-interactive: have the purchasing numbers display with this too and havve those numbers function like a poll. so say...4 concerts will come out physical release each year. at the end of each season, the show downloaded the most (which has audio and video) would be prooduced as a cd/dvd boxset. if not many shows are filmed well, then just say most-selling show gets a physical cd made with special booklet and notes that can be ordered. i actually have a couple more spins/points about this idea, but ive typed enough about it. maybe later it will be broubt back up.

[breathesgelatin]

Woody, on 16 April 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

No better time than now to register and chime in:

I hope the first SPRC release is pre Gish Demos, including The Reel Time Sessions (or any relevant studio demos that won't appear on the PI bonus disc) I would gladly pay $25+ for a two disc CD set of that material. It would be a great companion piece to the early reissues.

I would be less inclined to pay big money for digital only products. (especially if it has already been floating around the Internet for ages) I'm old enough that i like to look at a shelf and see where my money went. I understand that not everything can be released physically (nor do I want or need 80 concerts on CD or vinyl) but I would think most SP fans would gladly pay for CDs of things recorded in the studio (Pre Gish demos, Adore or Machina demos or outtakes, remastered B Sides, etc.)
It's also hard for fans to list exactly what they want considering we're still waiting on the bonus disc tracklisting on all these reissues coming out this year and next. I would love to request specific things like a remastered Slunk, Vanilla, C'mon, My Dahlia or Not Worth Asking but if everything we want might be released on PI (within 4 months I hope) then we're just wasting time. Same with Gravity Demos, Acoustic Adore demos, etc. We are still in the dark with the timeframe and tracklisting for the other EMI reissues expected this year.

Also: Hopefully if a release is a choice between vinyl or digital, the vinyl will also come with an mp3 download coupon. I know that some fans bought the Gish and Siamese Dream reissues 3 ways, but these SPRC club releases shouldn't have to be purchased more than once in order to be able to enjoy it both at home and on your iPod. People who want to support physical media shouldn't have to also find the mp3s on a torrent site.

Finally: I've never been more excited to be a Smashing Pumpkins fan, and I sincerely hope that the Lucky 13 can make this work. If fans are negative it's because we've been let down in the past. It's like starting a new relationship after a bad break up. Baby steps. Baby steps...

Well, I couldn't disagree more with everything you said. Not to be contrary, but:

A) I could care less about almost any physical format. I don't need stuff cluttering up my house. I am basically interested in digital files only. That's why I think everything should at least have the option for file download. Exclusive vinyl tracks and the like are a fail and will be perceived as gouging the hardcore fandom to force them to buy vinyl. Don't go there.

B) If there is going to be any packaging, make it super intense. For example, either give me all the Chicago Songs for a reasonable price or a full-on boxset with a documentary, tons of pictures and content and pack-ins (tschotckes, even...). I have basically no interest in a simple digipak CD with no extra content. I figure this would save the band money too.

C) Why should hardcore fans be interested in the pre-Gish demos? We have really good versions of most of that stuff. The people who haven't heard that are the public at large (and I think it's important for them to hear it, to realize the band wasn't just some record company assemblage). Hardcore fans already have the pre-Gish demos in really good quality. I don't care and might not buy them unless they came in a really nice physical package with exclusives. I already have the files and I mostly only care about files, unless there is some kind of amazing content added.

D) The price for the downloads should be kept low. I agree $5 is in the reasonable range for a complete concert soundboard if it's in good quality. I would be willing to pay more for a download pack of, let's say, 60 unreleased studio Zwan tracks or all the Chicago Songs or something (of course, those are two things I would likely to be willing to buy some kind of elaborate physical package of).

I don't say this to pick on Woody. He's certainly entitled to his opinion. However, I'm trying to illustrate how difficult it will be to get consensus about any of this.

[MoonPI]

werideatdusk, on 16 April 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

I vote... more 'tchochkeys'.

I seriously do.

I endorse Corgan's plans to bring occult items into unsuspecting fan's homes!!

How about an ankh keyring?

LMAO!!!


:rofl:/>

[jakesstuff_69]

How much does it cost for fans to come in, take the material, upload it into a couple different formats and make it all freely available for download? pretty much the same principle most torrent sites are based on... donations for hosting and fans doing work pro bono. Or does free not break even these days?

[Dusty]

My grand advice to the Lucky 13; I actually really like you guys, and am all for informed discussion from all sides, but...
I think it's in the best interest of the project not to get "into it"--disputes, having to defend yourself, etc--with the fans on the message board. Read everyone's comments, take them into consideration, please, but if someone is here to say "FUCK Y DOESN'T THIS EVER WORK" or "I'm so happy!" or "Please put out everything!", that doesn't really require a response--I'm sure you all have lives away from the computer, you don't need to waste your time, and you probably avoid a lot of the public backlash.
I'm sure that once a rough sketch of a release patterm is developed, and we can expect to discuss the release of particular items, we will be able to make good headway here. But for this discussion to be successful, we need to have realistic boundaries imposed on us. I think era-specific threads, as you yourself mentioned, will work well in bringing a few pined-for items up for discussion with Billy.
There should be a digital option with every release. I have to imagine the cost of bandwith is pretty small, so by offering that digital product, the band is basically making total profit, once the costs of studio production are met. I'm sure you have someone (or Billy does) wiser than I, but that is my two-sense.

Thank you, and good luck.

[TalkingHead]

TheLucky13, on 16 April 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

As stated previously, we do not see a problem with gathering fresh data and making sure that we are on the same page as current fans that are still actively following the band. There are many aspects related to this project that have changed over the years. For instance, SP had 1.3 million likes on Facebook in September 2011, and now they have almost 2.3 million likes. There has been a similar increase on their Twitter and so on. The reach is larger, the fan base has changed and we also have in mind the fans that do not post on message boards. For a project of this scope, it is necessary to gather recent data and we have been doing so in both a quantitative and qualitative manner. We will soon have a dedicated forum and polls. Please consider that participating in a survey is a personal choice.

So... you're not using previously compiled data for any of this.

[davidp2007]

standing, on 16 April 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

something you said in here made me realize sonething. billy has talked about wanting this thing to pay up front for itself and such, and now people are talking about kickstarter. well, what if they put up a digital download of something like a show; and then the sales went towatd manufacturing a physical release of it? the AMOUNT of sales would guide in how many to manufacture ifyou wanted to make less and keep things limited. AND THEN the people who payed in by buying the download could get a discount worth the purchase price of the download off the physical product price. this would both entice people to buy in (by giving them audio early); AND discourage people from being lazy and just waiting for the physical release to drop before paying anything (because by buying the download, youre actually partially pre-paying for the near-future product). this way by paying for a download you are casting a vote for what you want in physical, AND giving marketing data as far as how many to manufacture. a quick addition to this idea: if it ran like that, lucky13 could perhaps consider telling us in advance how many downloads have to sell forsomething to come out physical. theh could even put a meter on the site beside of the show, telling you howmany had been purchased out of how many needed. it might be a stretch, but that COULD lead to some helpful guerrilla-type marketing. for instance: if i really want a certain show in special physical release, and i can see that its sold 75 out of 100 units needed, i could advertise to friends andaround on facebook and twitter and such to try to get it to sell 25 more times. if lucky13 doesnt want to make a physical release of every show that sells a certain number of dow loads, heres an alternate spin to the idea that is also fan-interactive: have the purchasing numbers display with this too and havve those numbers function like a poll. so say...4 concerts will come out physical release each year. at the end of each season, the show downloaded the most (which has audio and video) would be prooduced as a cd/dvd boxset. if not many shows are filmed well, then just say most-selling show gets a physical cd made with special booklet and notes that can be ordered. i actually have a couple more spins/points about this idea, but ive typed enough about it. maybe later it will be broubt back up.

That sounds like a great idea. Having the digital release as a both an incentive and a method of gauging potential interest/funding requirements would be great. Of course, there isn't necessarily a 1:1 ratio between interest in a digital release and a physical release. But it's clear that some people would far prefer a physical release, while others would be just happy with a digital one. But having a partial discount from purchasing the digital downloads could go a long way.

[Chad Channing]

Give me the pistachio medley songs.

[cleric]

TheLucky13, on 16 April 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

Why me specifically of all the other team members involved? Is it because I have stepped up and I'm willing to take the time to answer people's concerns?
If you can give me a few good reasons why my presence in the team is detrimental to the release of archive material, then by all means - I just might consider it.

It's ok Juliana - I don't need to be shown respect...I rather earn it.

i don't mean any disrespect. and i cant say why you over all the other members - because i don't know who they are and they haven't said anything here.
i just feel that we need people with a little more common sense in this type of situation. i find it a little hard to believe that you haven't opened this thread and included a list of everything in the archive at the same time.

years ago, i saw a load of threads about quinto in the archive with pictures of sp artwork and tour posters etc. i found amazing the kind of non-information i was hearing, and simply asked him has what has he found that we haven't heard? (and i know you recently claimed to have asked him this, mayfair :rant:/>) he said there is a recording of the band playing Vanilla. now, me finding that out, is more than you've told us about material in the archive - and there are apparently 13 of you. :scatch:/>

you probably have plenty of reasons for not posting a log of everything found so far, but i don't need to hear them.

btw, if you guys are considering releasing as much as possible (which i hope you are) then it would be great if you could start with the oldest material and work your way through.

[mayday27]

^? they just started this. More common sense? Maybe u should get some.
In fact I can't think of anyone better to help do a project like this. SP pictures is truly Awesome and her communication skills are excellent. Marie is a high quality selection!

[MonteLDS]

here is a brief run down of the questions i talked to billy on friday the 13th

What is the process for putting together a reissue
Once you pick the songs what is the next step
How long does it take to do one reissue
Why not release everything from the archive
Why is it important to have the Lucky 13 Project and fan input
Are you saying that the kickstarter model is a necessary for future SPRC releases
Why didn't Virgin/EMI release the so call "last show" ?
Will fans be able to get access to the archive catalog to help them make a choice on what to request from the Lucky 13
Will there be samples before the KickStarter would go into action
Will there be an Oceania single?
When will the Pumpkins be on tour
Have you been writing any new music since Oceania.
How happy are you with your life currently

[Bountiful_Wasteland]

Pretty much everything I wanted to know about aside from the PI reissue! Can't wait to hear it, and I'm sorry you had to go back and redo the edits. Thanks a lot Monte http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/board_new/public/style_emoticons/default/happy2.gif

[TheLucky13]

TalkingHead, on 16 April 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

So... you're not using previously compiled data for any of this.

We are also using past data to help make decisions.

[whywontyoulisten]

cleric, on 17 April 2012 - 01:39 AM, said:

btw, if you guys are considering releasing as much as possible (which i hope you are) then it would be great if you could start with the oldest material and work your way through.

Unless you're a Machina fan... :lick:/>

[orchidaii]

standing, on 16 April 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

something you said in here made me realize sonething. billy has talked about wanting this thing to pay up front for itself and such, and now people are talking about kickstarter. well, what if they put up a digital download of something like a show; and then the sales went towatd manufacturing a physical release of it? the AMOUNT of sales would guide in how many to manufacture ifyou wanted to make less and keep things limited. AND THEN the people who payed in by buying the download could get a discount worth the purchase price of the download off the physical product price. this would both entice people to buy in (by giving them audio early); AND discourage people from being lazy and just waiting for the physical release to drop before paying anything (because by buying the download, youre actually partially pre-paying for the near-future product). this way by paying for a download you are casting a vote for what you want in physical, AND giving marketing data as far as how many to manufacture. a quick addition to this idea: if it ran like that, lucky13 could perhaps consider telling us in advance how many downloads have to sell forsomething to come out physical. theh could even put a meter on the site beside of the show, telling you howmany had been purchased out of how many needed. it might be a stretch, but that COULD lead to some helpful guerrilla-type marketing. for instance: if i really want a certain show in special physical release, and i can see that its sold 75 out of 100 units needed, i could advertise to friends andaround on facebook and twitter and such to try to get it to sell 25 more times. if lucky13 doesnt want to make a physical release of every show that sells a certain number of dow loads, heres an alternate spin to the idea that is also fan-interactive: have the purchasing numbers display with this too and havve those numbers function like a poll. so say...4 concerts will come out physical release each year. at the end of each season, the show downloaded the most (which has audio and video) would be prooduced as a cd/dvd boxset. if not many shows are filmed well, then just say most-selling show gets a physical cd made with special booklet and notes that can be ordered. i actually have a couple more spins/points about this idea, but ive typed enough about it. maybe later it will be broubt back up.

I think this is a great idea and I will bring this up to the team. I know we have been debating on how much the digital format can raise as opposed to a physical format with differences in potential mark-up. The system you proposed seems to be the communal approach that Billy is looking for (you will hear him explain his vision in the interview). Thank you very much for bringing this up :)/>

[RottingApples]

MonteLDS, on 17 April 2012 - 06:57 AM, said:

here is a brief run down of the questions i talked to billy on friday the 13th

So... when's this going up?

[orchidaii]

Dusty, on 16 April 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

My grand advice to the Lucky 13; I actually really like you guys, and am all for informed discussion from all sides, but...
I think it's in the best interest of the project not to get "into it"--disputes, having to defend yourself, etc--with the fans on the message board. Read everyone's comments, take them into consideration, please, but if someone is here to say "FUCK Y DOESN'T THIS EVER WORK" or "I'm so happy!" or "Please put out everything!", that doesn't really require a response--I'm sure you all have lives away from the computer, you don't need to waste your time, and you probably avoid a lot of the public backlash.
I'm sure that once a rough sketch of a release patterm is developed, and we can expect to discuss the release of particular items, we will be able to make good headway here. But for this discussion to be successful, we need to have realistic boundaries imposed on us. I think era-specific threads, as you yourself mentioned, will work well in bringing a few pined-for items up for discussion with Billy.
There should be a digital option with every release. I have to imagine the cost of bandwith is pretty small, so by offering that digital product, the band is basically making total profit, once the costs of studio production are met. I'm sure you have someone (or Billy does) wiser than I, but that is my two-sense.

Thank you, and good luck.

Thank you for all your great advice. I personally wanted to sort out all the initial questions and concerns before we move on to bigger issues (the actual release of items). I also wanted to establish that we are open to communication, discussions and debates with any fan. I realize that it is not always easy to converse with some people, but I do like to give at least one chance. I do not mind the backlash if it results in more support later on. I am hoping once we setup the dedicated forum that the discussions will be focused on the release of items.

[RottingApples]

jakesstuff_69, on 16 April 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

How much does it cost for fans to come in, take the material, upload it into a couple different formats and make it all freely available for download? pretty much the same principle most torrent sites are based on... donations for hosting and fans doing work pro bono. Or does free not break even these days?

There's the studio costs of transferring the materials, mastering, etc. that would also need to be accounted for.

[standing]

davidp2007, on 16 April 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

That sounds like a great idea. Having the digital release as a both an incentive and a method of gauging potential interest/funding requirements would be great. Of course, there isn't necessarily a 1:1 ratio between interest in a digital release and a physical release. But it's clear that some people would far prefer a physical release, while others would be just happy with a digital one. But having a partial discount from purchasing the digital downloads could go a long way.

although i realized something last night. lucky 13 has said this project is about quality rather yham quantity. if thats the case, my idea might not work because there wont be a lot of shows. if you do only a few really good shows, then i think historocity should be the focus. put out shows that exemplify certain eras of time and have write ups about why hearing that shownis important to understanding the history of sp.

[orchidaii]

mayday27, on 17 April 2012 - 04:18 AM, said:

^? they just started this. More common sense? Maybe u should get some.
In fact I can't think of anyone better to help do a project like this. SP pictures is truly Awesome and her communication skills are excellent. Marie is a high quality selection!

Thank you! Those are really kind words <3/> Here is to music getting released :happy:/>

[TalkingHead]

standing, on 17 April 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

although i realized something last night. lucky 13 has said this project is about quality rather yham quantity. if thats the case, my idea might not work because there wont be a lot of shows. if you do only a few really good shows, then i think historocity should be the focus. put out shows that exemplify certain eras of time and have write ups about why hearing that shownis important to understanding the history of sp.

Historocity is not a word.

[Razorstar]

Sorry if this is stating the obvious, but hasn't the market provided the price model already?

In the UK, we're used to paying about 75p for a single song download, and about £7-£10 to buy an album.

We're used to paying around £10-£12 for a CD, and £15-£20 for a 'special edition' or vinyl. For a deluxe edition with fancy packaging and bells and whistles we'll probably pay more depending on what's there.

I imagine in the US it's more or less the same proportions.

I'd suggest

1) Everything should replicated in download and physical form and sold on both formats at the market rate. It makes no sense to tell people they have to buy a physical format if they only consume music digitally, or vice-versa, especially as this can give people a more affordable route.
2) Downloads should be available in full CD quality at no or very little extra cost (bandcamp do this)
3) Anything that is recorded in poor fidelity (boombox recordings, non-soundboard live shows, rehearsal demos) should be given away as free downloads and added as 'bonus disc' material for other CD releases.

[frednirv632]

wait. people, can we get something straight here before we continue this conversation?

It's called 'Pastichio Medley', NOT 'Pistachio Medley'. You would think at least the hardcores would have it straight by now. :)/>

[ShamanO]

I want to know the reason why the interview was being edited?
What was being cut out of the interview?

[chadbrochillington]

Time's up, deliver the interview

[MonteLDS]

Crestfallen.com Friday the 13th Interview with Billy Corgan
http://www.crestfall...h-billy-corgan/

For anyone interested in learning more about the Lucky 13 project, I believe this interview will shed some additional light on it.

[Razorstar]

ShamanO, on 17 April 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

I want to know the reason why the interview was being edited?
What was being cut out of the interview?

I'd imagine cutting it into chunks, talking out the odd "um" and "ar", maybe adding sound cues- doesn't mean anything proper is being taken out.

[ShamanO]

ok he is talking about how some people want to hear everything and he broke down on why that shouldn't happen

Now he should do something to letting some lucky fans listen to all of it :lol:/> Ones that won't judge and say he sounds like shit on this take of Tales from a Scorched Earth. (kidding)

[JSapp]

MonteLDS, on 17 April 2012 - 10:05 AM, said:

Crestfallen.com Friday the 13th Interview with Billy Corgan
http://www.crestfall...h-billy-corgan/

For anyone interested in learning more about the Lucky 13 project, I believe this interview will shed some additional light on it.

Can some one sum this up. I don't have audio on my work computer :(/>

[ShamanO]

maybe the Rubano tapes needs to be the 1st thing out? He just keeps on talking about those.


Spoiler Alert: Adore reissue is not set to come out until Record Store day next year :(/>

[MonteLDS]

JSapp, on 17 April 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

Can some one sum this up. I don't have audio on my work computer :(/>

I tried for a long time to do a sum up. But its over an hour long interview that covers a lot of ground.

[JSapp]

MonteLDS, on 17 April 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

I tried for a long time to do a sum up. But its over an hour long interview that covers a lot of ground.

No worries. I will just wait and give it a listen this evening. Thanks anyway though :cheers:/>

[ShamanO]

Monte thanks for posting this and thx to Billy for giving the time to you and to the fans to get this info out to us.

I am going to relisten to it again after work, there is just so much info being said, kind of felt overwhelming 1st listen.

[werideatdusk]

Anyone care to write what was said about the Pisces reissue?

Will listen to the whole thing later...

[Drevpile]

Hmmm... quite interesting this far. Seems, [about half way in], I've been largely on point with the type of interaction Bill is looking for [both ways].

WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT?!

[jakesstuff_69]

RottingApples, on 17 April 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

There's the studio costs of transferring the materials, mastering, etc. that would also need to be accounted for.

isn't a good part of the "lucky 13" team traders who probably already have the hardware/software and means for doing most of the transferring already. when it comes down to a bunch of bootlegs, do they really need to spend much time mastering, i'd be fine with it all as is.
Where are all those people that like to sit and dink around remastering bootlegs and uploading them all day? I'm sure there is plenty of fans who have these resources at their disposal.

[ShamanO]

Drevpile, on 17 April 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

Hmmm... quite interesting this far. Seems, [about half way in], I've been largely on point with the type of interaction Bill is looking for [both ways].

WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT?!

for some reason I feel the need to type TURTLES right now.

the on thing that kind of pissed me off was hearing how someone can sell footage for an extreme amount of money because no one else has it. I don't think Billy should have to be forking out a shit ton of money to someone who owns footage of a show.
talk about extortion!

my head is going :wacko:/> from the figures put out there.

I completely understand he would at least need to break even with getting these archive items out.

I do hope the group is getting something underway here soon enough and this isn't going to be some sort of talk for next x amount of months with nothing to show.

[ZivotSon]

JSapp, on 17 April 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

Can some one sum this up. I don't have audio on my work computer :(/>

I can't sum up an hour interview, but here are some tidbits:

When discussing the Mellon Collie re-issue, he seemed a little fixated on "Tales of a Scorched Earth", using it as an example many times. Sounded like they were looking into finding or creating a clean mix. Also sounded like the bonus disc will have another version of XYU.

He hasn't been songwriting since he finished Oceania. He has been working on his book.

EMI could have released the final show DVD (they had the rights for 2 years or so) but decided not to. EMI was contractually obligated to pay them for not releasing it. Used it as an example of how foolish EMI was back then and how they had decided to go in another direction.

Soothe has been remixed for the PI reissue. Everything else only remastered.

They are working with someone who worked on Roger Waters' The Wall tour for the Oceania Tour. Apparently he's come up with some really cool concepts. Sounded like the scope of the tour would be dependent on success of the album. They are going to start the show by playing the full album in sequence. They want the album out a while before they tour.

Made it through an hour interview without trashing any former members.