[TheLucky13]

Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins has commissioned an intermediary team for the purpose of recommending upcoming Smashing Pumpkins Record Club (SPRC) releases. In conjunction with fan input, “The Lucky 13” team will review archival material, identify possible pricing models, and propose methods and formats of distribution for selected audio and video releases.

The scope of archival material currently under consideration includes professionally taped or filmed live shows, soundboard recordings, unreleased songs, demos and alternate takes.

Fan input is essential to this project. Here are three ways fans can contribute:
- Email recommendations to TheLucky13Team@gmail.com.
- Share suggestions on your preferred Smashing Pumpkins message board. Members of the team will be monitoring designated “The Lucky 13” threads to gather fan input.
- “Like” the “The Lucky 13” Facebook page and leave comments.

[geofolkers]

will the vinyl reissue of "Adore" be in mono?

[Gr3g3]

I personally like physical releases. If it is in the budget, a nice package of unreleased songs and videos to go along with artwork and maybe some download codes for demos would be a hit in my opinion, and something I would definitely buy.

[geofolkers]

how about a SPRC itunes?

[MonteLDS]

Some specific things I'd like to see

Video:
The Adore Documentary (with The Viper Room 1998)
The Double Doors Video
The Arising Tour

Live Audio Shows:
Any Resume the Pose show

Unreleased songs:
LMGTWTY

[standing]

so, who are the 13? i want transparency here. also what is meant by "preferred " message board? how long will it take these lucky 13 people to release 13 things?

[geofolkers]

Vinyl record sales have been soaring in the last couple of years, a resurgence that many bands are taking advantage of. Fans love collectibles, and it looks that vinyl purchases may be a cost-effective way to increase your merchandise sales. Could the vinyl record come back to replace the enormous losses that the CD industry has left?
different sources reporting vinyl sales up 50%-80% in the last few years

[Gr3g3]

MonteLDS, on 13 April 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Some specific things I'd like to see

Video:
The Adore Documentary (with The Viper Room 1998)
The Double Doors Video
The Arising Tour

Live Audio Shows:
Any Resume the Pose show

Unreleased songs:
LMGTWTY

A fresh new documentary would be awesome.

[geofolkers]

Ashley Fahey perfect man for some video :)/>

[Simon]

standing, on 13 April 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

also what is meant by "preferred " message board?

Ahem. OBBBVIOUSLY. ;)/> jk jk

[CaptainFalcon]

Specifically, I would like to hear the demos that Mark Tulin worked on for Teargarden. Maybe the proceeds could go to a charity. Seems like a good way to honor him. I'd also like to hear Zwan demos of their early material. Most of this stuff will probably end up on the reissues, though.

Other than that, I'm willing to pay for live shows, soundboard recordings, alternate takes, demos, or unreleased songs if the price is right. Digital or physical release is fine.

[afroguy10]

Full version of "The Viper" from Pastichio Medley please :yes:/>.

[MonteLDS]

Gr3g3, on 13 April 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

A fresh new documentary would be awesome.

agreed. If they happen to have one in the can already. Otherwise I could see that taking a VERY long time.

[AndyToe]

Metro show.

[MonteLDS]

AndyToe, on 13 April 2012 - 08:12 AM, said:

Metro show.

:whattodo:/> How did i forget that!

[RottingApples]

I'm going to echo most of what I put in that wishlist thread ;)/>

In regards to live vs. studio material, I am personally more interested in the studio/ demo recordings that exist. Though, of course, quality recorded shows or notable shows over the band's history hold a great deal of interest for me as well.

In particular, the following are specific items I would LOVE to see come out in some form:

- Any completed studio tracks that remain unreleased from any era of the band, specifically (if they do exist) of the following songs: Speed, Towers of Rabble, Methusela, Wishing You Were, Let Me Give the World to You, Magna Mellow, I Feel Love, Elsie, Dick or Peter.

- Audio/ Video for all 4 Complete Double Door '95 performances.

- Video for Brixton Academy ('96), Detroit ('99), Final Metro ('00), Paris Reunion ('07)

- All Pastichio Medley demos, as well as any other unreleased Mellon Collie era recordings.

- All songs demoed/ completed from the Adore sessions (1996-1998)

- Demo/ studio cuts of the 2007 Residency material

- All demos for Teargarden material (2008-present)

- All unreleased studio/ demo Zwan material

- Future Embrace/ Zeitgeist demos

While I do love physical releases as well, I don't feel they are always a necessity. In some cases, the items that hold a little more commercial potential (Final Metro, unreleased studio tracks), I could see physical releases being a financially viable option, but if a lot of demos came out as digital only (as the SPRC demos have been so far), I see no problem in that at all.

Pricing…. that's tough to gauge. I remember that was a big point of contention when Quinto was working on the Archives a few years back, even though at that point, pricing was just throwing around hypothetical numbers. I think if there's free content being released concurrently with the "for sale" items, that will keep most of the potential whiners at bay. Additionally, people don't seem to like spending a lot of money for one particular item, even if that item is overflowing with content (a mindset I don't understand, but whatever….). I don't think there's anything wrong with a live box set (3-4 discs) fetching $25, for example. Or a disc of unreleased studio tracks going for $10. A 2 disc live DVD seems fair at $18. But again, it's hard to say if I'm the only one who feels that way re: price.

Regardless, I always get excited over the prospects of these archival releases. I think one of the biggest past problems that should be avoided actually doesn't have to do with the content, but with the fan relations. Regular updates on content, both informationally and in the delivery of the items, has been a problem in the past. Going months without any information, or months with only one demo released discourages fans. That's not to say that the expectation is for a CDs worth of stuff every day, by any means. But dry spells and no updates frustrates people and generates negativity.

[whywontyoulisten]

MonteLDS, on 13 April 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

Video:
The Arising Tour

Yes, yes, and yes! Such incredible, powerful shows, blistering versions of Adore songs, Machina-era tracks that differ greatly from their released versions, and the last stand of the classic line-up. There are some quality bootlegs out there, but knowing the whole tour was filmed, but never released apart from the 3 miniscule poor-quality clips, and a few seconds of footage from "Graceful Swans of Never" kills me.

[Drevpile]

Which sites will carry designated threads please.

[United States]

metallica has an awesome website that has a copy of every live show recorded that you can buy whenever you want.

billy has the recordings, that's what i want. we should be able to buy a bootleg from any show at any time, or get it for free off of the archives.org website, if they have it.

metallica has it set up so you can buy a digital copy or a physical copy with an option to buy artwork with it.

i would like to see sprc set up like this, along with everything else they are doing.

[Dusty]

I would love to hear the Tulin demos. I know that's risky in case the band decides to return to that material, but if there are songs that have been scrapped from Teargarden, I think that would be my number one area of interest. A new dosumentary would fall into that category, although I know that is a huge expense.

I also think its a shame that the Live Smashing Pumpkins recordings were taken down. The mastered 20th Anniversary Shows sounded great, and as someone who wasn't a fan at the time, I would have liked to have gotten a physical copy of a Black Crosses/White Sunshine two night stand.

Mastered Viper Room/Bridge School Benefit recordings would be sweet as well.

This is really excitting. :)/>

As far as pricing goes, I think the band, or someone in management should basically decide. We don'y get a say in what a cd costs; if the product is available for a reaosnable price, people (at least those here) will buy it.

Conversly, I think a kickstarter type thing could work well (it obviously worked for the Cold And Lovely and I think the Pumpkins have a much wider fanbase).

[geofolkers]

United States, on 13 April 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

metallica has an awesome website that has a copy of every live show recorded that you can buy whenever you want.

billy has the recordings, that's what i want. we should be able to buy a bootleg from any show at any time, or get it for free off of the archives.org website, if they have it.

metallica has it set up so you can buy a digital copy or a physical copy with an option to buy artwork with it.

i would like to see sprc set up like this, along with everything else they are doing.

Good idea! The Pumpkins have received nothing from bootlegged material so this would be a great way to go and support SP

[RottingApples]

Dusty, on 13 April 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Conversly, I think a kickstarter type thing could work well (it obviously worked for the Cold And Lovely and I think the Pumpkins have a much wider fanbase).

Indeed. I'm a big fan of the Kickstarter model.

[ShamanO]

I really want an official release of the Machina Demos. not the one that has been spread around. I'd prefer it as a physical copy if possible. (if it's not going to be a part of the Machina I&II reissues)

Also, that Tulin demos idea is brilliant.

Zeitgeist demos, and everything that has been done after zeitgeist, all tbk songs, scrapped songs, SITS, Backwards Clock Society,

what happened to getting Pre-Gish material? we never really got any of that either.

an instrumentals only release could be cool and quirky (Pistachio Medley added)

I want this show to be available for purchase video + audio 05/21/1998 - Guggenheim Art Museum; Bilbao, ES

[Deleted User Account]

Dusty, on 13 April 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

I would love to hear the Tulin demos. I know that's risky in case the band decides to return to that material, but if there are songs that have been scrapped from Teargarden, I think that would be my number one area of interest. A new dosumentary would fall into that category, although I know that is a huge expense.

Give me the demos. Or us. Give us the demos.

Adultswim (the channel) has an option to make your own DVD's of their shows. You can mix and match episodes from series to construct mix DVD's. For example, two episodes of Delocated, two episodes of Tim and Eric, one Xavier. Whatever you'd like. But it's not made until you purchase it.

I know there are substantial costs for mastering, but once they're done, you could print a CD as they're purchased.

Sell the Tulin/TGBK demos online. The sales wont be humongous, but they'd be enough to pay off mastering and make a profit, however small.

[smashing0]

ShamanO, on 13 April 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

what happened to getting Pre-Gish material? we never really got any of that either.

That stuff is supposedly coming with the Pisces re-issue!
:jackyl:/>

[whywontyoulisten]

The only people not saying "Arising Tour" are those who haven't listened to any of the shows.

[geofolkers]

-im interested in a "If all Goes Wrong" soundtrack
-an offical VH1 story tellers release
-the webisodes are a good hit, that type of thing is awesome for any song!
-im a big fan of odd/neat facts
- the "last show" at the metro- so much energy in that show from the band.
-Video for Brixton Academy ('96), Detroit ('99), Final Metro ('00), Paris Reunion ('07)
-the "Sweet Home Alabama" cover
-Machina Demos
-bed room demos/recordings
-im also a fan of the "Tulin demos" idea
-I appreciate the art of all this. I like when i can see the art unfold. being able to have some sort of physical release brings us as fans closer to the appreciated art

[AndyToe]

did someone say the metro dvd?

[geofolkers]

can we have some sort of time line? Can some of us help with this push? For the success of SPRC? Id love to see this succeed. I think we all know this is a great project :)/>

[orchidaii]

Studio version of Gossamer :happy:/>

[AndyToe]

orchidaii, on 13 April 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

Studio version of Gossamer :happy:/>

This is something i hope never happens
Billy. do me this one favour.

[ShamanO]

as much as I love Gossamer, I would rather not have an "official" studio release and find a best of live versions to release.

Of course the one on IAGW is pretty good imo and I would like that one to be released instead of it sitting on a dvd.

[smashp1979]

Metro DVD in full
Arising Tour DVD
2007 comeback show from Paris DVD
MCIS Tour shows
Double Door soundboards

[geofolkers]

acoustic studio version of Gossamer :)/>

[orchidaii]

ShamanO, on 13 April 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

as much as I love Gossamer, I would rather not have an "official" studio release and find a best of live versions to release.

Ohh yeah, that is what I meant <3/>

[ShamanO]

geofolkers, on 13 April 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

acoustic studio version of Gossamer :)/>

isn't there one that exists?


also acoustic United States plz

hell, give us acoustic Zeitgeist please

[Drevpile]

1) Rename 'The Lucky 13' immediately. It already feels non-inclusive
2) Be transparent; reveal who this team are. If people get even the faintest whiff of a rat, this isn't going to work
3) Score an early win - release the damn Metro Show
4) [a] Consult the fans who know, who really know, the history and availability of current bootlegs/material
4) [b] DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE EXCLUDE Netphoria or any other long standing message board; speak to at least CoolAsIceCream, 34, Redbull, Spaldz and PistolPete
5) [a] Do not, DO NOT, bandy about pricing, release models, packaging or anything else for a product which does not exist. Seriously, I repeat, do not do this again
5) [b] If a real archivist has been at work, seriously, if you had a real archivist on this project - listen carefully and;
release the catalogue for the fans to understand what the base library actually is.
Make it easy for them to understand; apportion said library into sections by era and media. Then rate, with examples, quality of said media in it's raw format.
5 [c] Define your objectives (is this about releasing quality or quantity). This will help inform said fans what sort of pricing structure they may wish to consider for said material
6 Stop being vague. Stop it. Seriously
7) [a]Thus, again, create Samples
7) [b] and create direct feedback model against said samples ie; polls
8) Do not release anything post 2008
9) Do not listen to ANYONE who touts GM Palace 1997 as there favourite boot
10) Do not listen to ANYONE who touts post 2008 material as superior, in any shape or form, to any previous work. Even Blinking with Fists
11) Know your demographic: Listen very carefully, to this; your fans are not, in the main, idiots. Please stop treating us as such with running such an amateur outfit. You have already, once again, opened the flood gates for people to be disappointed that you haven't considered their own absolutely ground-breaking idea; there is no way on this planet that you are going to be able to aggregate the multitude of vague recommendations / demands / ideas which will inevitably pop-up. Start again. Make clear you vision and your values for the project, explain how and what you want to deliver and then and then open it up to consultation
13) GET. IT. DONE.

[AndyToe]

I hate it when i agree with drevpile, but I do. especially about talking to those mentioned, as much as i hate them

[Drevpile]

Sorry.

[Deleted User Account]

Damn, bro. Drev is on point. Though I'd still want the Tulin demos. What can I say.

[AndyToe]

Drevpile, on 13 April 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

Sorry.

Accepted.

[frednirv632]

ShamanO, on 13 April 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

also acoustic United States plz

http://thepumpkins.n...st-confidential

[ShamanO]

I'm aware of that, but it's not on SPRC now is it? :lick:/>

[frednirv632]

what difference does it make? Same goes for the acoustic MAchina demos. They're already out there in good enough quality.