[MonteLDS]

http://crestfallen.c...ceania-details/

just updated the article.

[soonergiant65]

What the hell? Boy, the music industry is really starting to de-generate to a new low. Time to break out the old school walkman.

It is a cool collectible. Better than spending $5000 on ebay for the original.

[LostSoul]

:lol:/>

Now how long until we get people coming around bitching that their original will be worthless? It happens every time. Selfish bastards.

[davidp2007]

Holy crap. That's all awesome. I can't wait!

LostSoul, on 08 February 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

:lol:/>

Now how long until we get people coming around bitching that their original will be worthless? It happens every time. Selfish bastards.

I could care less, I could never afford the original. This is cool enough for me :p/>.

[KingBelteshazzar]

haha, that's way cool.

[Bountiful_Wasteland]

Gimme, gimme http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/board_new/public/style_emoticons/default/jackyl.gif

[easternmind]

I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR those original 1988 demos!!!!!

This post has been edited by easternmind: 08 February 2012 - 10:13 PM

[ShamanO]

so a cd, dvd, and a cassette? :shocked:/> I want this!!

[ButterflyBullets]

Wow... i don't have a cassette player anymore >.< this looks amazing though :o/>

[RottingApples]

Nvm.

This post has been edited by RottingApples: 09 February 2012 - 12:20 AM

[CoolAsIceCream]

LostSoul, on 08 February 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

Now how long until we get people coming around bitching that their original will be worthless? It happens every time. Selfish bastards.

i don't think that will happen. i didn't hear anyone complain when earphoria was re-released. (maybe i missed that.)

and i don't agree that re-releasing the demo tape "the smashing pumpkins" or "moon" would make the original copies devaluate. they'll still be as rare as they were, and the re-released copies will be virtually worthless, no matter how well they try to reproduce them. and it's not like the availability of the songs will change. they're already all over the internet.

i personally don't really care about a reproduced demo cassette. it's a fun idea, but it's only cool for about ten seconds. then it's just a tape, made in 2012, that will most likely sit there.
now, i'm not really a tape person to begin with, and to me, the only cool thing about them is the fact that you know they come from another era, that they're really old, and that they survived. they kind of take you back a couple of decades. (i've got this light into dark promotional cassette, for example. that one is well old, and i even believe it's the first (non-home made) official release the pumpkins appeared on. it's still just a cassette, but in a way, it's cool.)
if you're going to start making new cassettes in 2012, none of that remains. then it's just a cassette made in 2012, which is pretty weird.

on the other hand, i do think a reproduced demo tape is a better than a mini obelisk. just to say that it isn't the worst thing ever.

[Deleted User Account]

Yeah, I agree. It's kind of cool in theory, but in practice I'd be happier getting the remixed remastered songs on the bonus CD.

[nasalscarecrow]

I LIKE CASSETTES.

[CoolAsIceCream]

typical.

[andrewface]

no one wants a cassette...thats lame

[redsox]

I have to say I was excited for this one ~ Pisces is def. an underrated album and contains many amazing songs...Having the cd remastered and what not was appealing, the dvd of the show (although I am not familiar with that show in particular) sounded great as did the quality of the video they had a linked with it ~ Side-note funny as hell to see them dressed the way there were ~ What I assumed to be the bonus disk had me excited as well...I assumed it would be on cd prob like most of the folks here...but as they say "when ya assume you make an ass out of you and me"...and that def. proves to be true here. I prob have a tape player sitting around someplace in the house, BUT it is something I do not have out in the general area of the house nor is it something I will be putting out just to listen to the tape. I, like prob most people here listen to music via an IPOD or some other sort of MP3 player. Yes, I still like having the physical release of an album be it on cd / vinyl etc...something about being able to listen to the music / look thru the book that comes w/ it and even the cover art seems to make the music so much better...and I usually go out of the way to buy a cd when it comes out at a store instead of a download for this reason alone...then load it onto itunes etc...best of both worlds I guess...but having a tape in this day in age? I don't know...I get it, a throw back, kinda cool and all, but like others have said not really what I would want either. I am sure there is some way one could take said tape, play it and get it onto a cd then put said copy of a cd into your itunes library...but blah....too much work in my mind....Out of curiosity I wonder if one was to buy the release digitally would you receive this portion of the release in a digital format or is it going to be left out and you just get the remastered cd? I guess time will tell etc.

[CoolAsIceCream]

that's quite the rant you got there, redsox.

i don't think pisces iscariot is underrated. many people love it.
and yes, we'll see what this reissue brings. the digital release might very well include all tracks.

[whywontyoulisten]

I still have my Walkman. :happy:/>

[wholebowl]

Can't wait for the tape. Have a rackmount tape player that I use to transfer old Demos and other old tapes so I am set.

[MonteLDS]

andrewface, on 09 February 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

no one wants a cassette...thats lame

i think you mean I don't want a cassette

wholebowl, on 09 February 2012 - 07:25 AM, said:

Can't wait for the tape.

Personally the tape thing is a really cool legacy idea. Tapes are no longer common place anymore but this will remind us of the time and era in which it originally came out. I think it might have little listening value (because let us be honest, the large majority may never listen to it and the smaller majority will mostly wait for a clean rip of the tape to digital format and listen to it that way). But as far as historic value it’s through the roof.

[cleric]

correcting someone's post, monte? really? :jackyl:/>

and i didn't read the post as it being packaged with an actual cassette.

[CoolAsIceCream]

MonteLDS, on 09 February 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

But as far as historic value it’s through the roof.

I don't think it is though. It's a 2012 replica. The historic value of that is very small.

[standing]

redsox, on 09 February 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

Out of curiosity I wonder if one was to buy the release digitally would you receive this portion of the release in a digital format or is it going to be left out and you just get the remastered cd? I guess time will tell etc.

I think billy said the tape will be a bonus only int he deluxe edition. So you probably wont get those tracks digitally.

so this news makes me wonder: It sounds like the pre-gish box was cancelled and consolidated into the pisces box. But does anyone think we will still get a "proper" pisces bonus disc? And a "proper" pisces dvd? I mean, when you look at pisces, a show from 88 and the band's first demo tape wouldnt be expected as the unreleased material. I hope we still get the pisces bonus disc. When you look at the redundancy of the gish and siamese bonus discs, I have hoped the the pisces bonus disc was where most of the ACTUALLY unreleased stuff would show up. What do yall think?

[CoolAsIceCream]

i don't think like that.

you keep dreaming, standing. i'm looking forward to your disappointed posts once the pisces iscariot reissue is out.

[snail33]

redsox, on 09 February 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

I have to say I was excited for this one ~ Pisces is def. an underrated album and contains many amazing songs...

pisces iscariot is STILL not an album.

[frednirv632]

hmm?

[dreamover]

i think this is way cool. but the tape should at least come with a download code.

[Elphenor]

Why would I want a tape? I don't get it...

[KingBelteshazzar]

ButterflyBullets, on 08 February 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

Wow... i don't have a cassette player anymore >.< this looks amazing though :o/>

yeah. I'll probably have to get on ebay or something and get one, lol.

flippingsweet779, on 09 February 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

Why would I want a tape? I don't get it...

why do people want vinyl? don't tell me it's because the sound is so much better. i don't see it. not enough of a difference for the extra money, anyway.

also, to everybody - the debate over whether or not PI is an album....

I say album shmalbum. Whether or not people call it an album or a "b-sides collection", it's still a cd with a bunch of songs on it that represent a certain artistic perspective. Good enough for me.

[brandnewfan]

I won't mind a cassette only as long as it comes with a digital download and/or a USB or something so we can actually listen to the songs. A cassette tape of an original demo tape is awesome, but it'll only serve a purpose if we can listen to remastered versions of the songs on a format that is still current.

If we can't listen to these songs without buying out of date equipment, then I don't see the point. I will, however, still buy it.

Also, a demo tape from 1988 attached to a collection of 1991-1993 material? That seems odd. I would rather have had remastered b-sides from the Gish-SD eras that didn't end up on those reissues. But maybe that's still happening...I mean, we're getting Glynis...maybe that's just part of a separate bonus CD with extra tracks? If so, I'll be very much more encouraged.

[KingBelteshazzar]

lol, the point is to force you to appreciate the nostalgia of out-dated technology!

[brandnewfan]

lol...and I'm sure there will be some pretty nice rips from the cassette by people in the "know-how" (not me) so I'm not really too bummed. It will be pretty cool to have that little replica of SP history.

[standing]

brandnewfan, on 09 February 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

I won't mind a cassette only as long as it comes with a digital download and/or a USB or something so we can actually listen to the songs. A cassette tape of an original demo tape is awesome, but it'll only serve a purpose if we can listen to remastered versions of the songs on a format that is still current.

If we can't listen to these songs without buying out of date equipment, then I don't see the point. I will, however, still buy it.

Also, a demo tape from 1988 attached to a collection of 1991-1993 material? That seems odd. I would rather have had remastered b-sides from the Gish-SD eras that didn't end up on those reissues. But maybe that's still happening...I mean, we're getting Glynis...maybe that's just part of a separate bonus CD with extra tracks? If so, I'll be very much more encouraged.

good call on the glynis thing. To me, that indicates that there will be a proper pisces bonus disc.

[LostSoul]

CoolAsIceCream, on 09 February 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:

i don't think that will happen. i didn't hear anyone complain when earphoria was re-released. (maybe i missed that.)

and i don't agree that re-releasing the demo tape "the smashing pumpkins" or "moon" would make the original copies devaluate. they'll still be as rare as they were, and the re-released copies will be virtually worthless, no matter how well they try to reproduce them. and it's not like the availability of the songs will change. they're already all over the internet.

i personally don't really care about a reproduced demo cassette. it's a fun idea, but it's only cool for about ten seconds. then it's just a tape, made in 2012, that will most likely sit there.
now, i'm not really a tape person to begin with, and to me, the only cool thing about them is the fact that you know they come from another era, that they're really old, and that they survived. they kind of take you back a couple of decades. (i've got this light into dark promotional cassette, for example. that one is well old, and i even believe it's the first (non-home made) official release the pumpkins appeared on. it's still just a cassette, but in a way, it's cool.)
if you're going to start making new cassettes in 2012, none of that remains. then it's just a cassette made in 2012, which is pretty weird.

on the other hand, i do think a reproduced demo tape is a better than a mini obelisk. just to say that it isn't the worst thing ever.

Agreed, although the sole reason I said that was because I've seen people do it before. Its ridiculous, really. It won't detract the value, but some legitimately fear that it will. :shrug:/>

[standing]

CoolAsIceCream, on 09 February 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:

i don't think like that.

you keep dreaming, standing. i'm looking forward to your disappointed posts once the pisces iscariot reissue is out.

Are you being sarcastic? I wasnt being negative, or dreaming. ALso, theres no reason to look forward to my negative posts. I dont have time for that. Wens the last time you noticed a negative post from me? Been awhile!

[MonteLDS]

cleric, on 09 February 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

correcting someone's post, monte? really? :jackyl:/>

and i didn't read the post as it being packaged with an actual cassette.

I was told it will be package with an actual cassette.

[Baltimore08]

KingBelteshazzar, on 09 February 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

yeah. I'll probably have to get on ebay or something and get one, lol.



why do people want vinyl? don't tell me it's because the sound is so much better. i don't see it. not enough of a difference for the extra money, anyway.

also, to everybody - the debate over whether or not PI is an album....

I say album shmalbum. Whether or not people call it an album or a "b-sides collection", it's still a cd with a bunch of songs on it that represent a certain artistic perspective. Good enough for me.

I own a record player and hate that they get away with selling records for over twenty. I'd only pay over twenty for a show or rare demo that never made it to cd/tape from a band like pink floyd. I love that it's also a good reason to listen to one album. Such a pain to have to put them away after only one listen.

[CoolAsIceCream]

KingBelteshazzar, on 09 February 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

I say album shmalbum. Whether or not people call it an album or a "b-sides collection", it's still a cd with a bunch of songs on it that represent a certain artistic perspective. Good enough for me.

i guess one could call pisces iscariot a compilation album. i don't see how anyone can disagree with that.
gish could be called a studio album.

it's a bit pointless to have big arguments about what is an album and what isn't. it depends on the "album" definition you're using. you can go with album = studio album, or with the wider definition of album = studio or compilation or live album, for example.

This post has been edited by CoolAsIceCream: 10 February 2012 - 12:45 AM

[mirrorboxer]

CoolAsIceCream, on 10 February 2012 - 12:44 AM, said:

it's a bit pointless to have big arguments about what is an album and what isn't. it depends on the "album" definition you're using. you can go with album = studio album, or with the wider definition of album = studio or compilation or live album, for example.

http://http://dictio...om/browse/album

2. a phonograph record or set of records containing several musical selections, a complete play, opera, etc.

[CoolAsIceCream]

or that one. whatever you prefer.

[shhhpieceful]

CoolAsIceCream, on 10 February 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

or that one. whatever you prefer.

Unless you HAVE to wait for someone to rip the cassette to mp3 (no official digital release), then I don't see the problem with the whole tape idea. Personally, I love tapes and have many. The cassette format allows you to relax, not have to worry about skipping tracks, (although it happens) and enjoy some music that you may not have otherwise had the patience to check out. After years of listening to music digitally, most will probably find that tapes (records too) are a very refreshing way to listen to music. Hopefully this becomes a trend for future Pumpkins releases, perhaps releasing a tape by itself not attached to another product, that would be very cool. Who knows, maybe tapes will make a comeback... :shocked:/>

shhhpieceful, on 13 February 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Unless you HAVE to wait for someone to rip the cassette to mp3 (no official digital release), then I don't see the problem with the whole tape idea. Personally, I love tapes and have many. The cassette format allows you to relax, not have to worry about skipping tracks, (although it happens) and enjoy some music that you may not have otherwise had the patience to check out. After years of listening to music digitally, most will probably find that tapes (records too) are a very refreshing way to listen to music. Hopefully this becomes a trend for future Pumpkins releases, perhaps releasing a tape by itself not attached to another product, that would be very cool. Who knows, maybe tapes will make a comeback... :shocked:/>

I didn't mean to quote that person, I am new to this forum.

[quote name='shhhpieceful' timestamp='1329176083' post='657723']
Unless you HAVE to wait for someone to rip the cassette to mp3 (no official digital release), then I don't see the problem with the whole tape idea. Personally, I love tapes and have many. The cassette format allows you to relax, not have to worry about skipping tracks, (although it happens) and enjoy some music that you may not have otherwise had the patience to check out. After years of listening to music digitally, most will probably find that tapes (records too) are a very refreshing way to listen to music. Hopefully this becomes a trend for future Pumpkins releases, perhaps releasing a tape by itself not attached to another product, that would be very cool. Who knows, maybe tapes will make a comeback... :shocked:/>



I didn't mean to quote that person, I am new to this forum.

Wow, sorry about that...now you really know I am new here...don't see an edit option

[Dawn2Dusk]

I think the idea of the cassette is a bad one. Not only because no one has a cassette player anymore but because the sound quality is far from desirable and decreases with time. Oh and did I mention the problems you have when the tape gets tangled? Arghhh... Why not makig a USB cassette instead??:

http://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000014046952-ulc107-crop.jpg?ee7b2d5

[ShamanO]

http://crestfallen.com/

Quote

With The release of the re-issued Pisces Iscariot WAS expected to hit stores on Record Store day this year (see update). Billy Corgan informed fans via twitter that he had “Just finished sequencing Pisces Iscariot b-disc,” and said that it was ”Looking good” and he was “feeling good about it.”

UPDATE: We have just been informed that the re-issue date for Pisces Iscariot will not be record store day. A new release date has yet to be revealed.

enjoy a delay.

[CoolAsIceCream]

lol