[soVerysadAboutyou]

also, i've found the main problem with oceania. there isn't fucking enough of it.

[OsamaMyLlama]

i think inkless is vastly superior to chimera

[bodhisattva]

i think the chimera would make a great summertime single.

[soVerysadAboutyou]

inkless is really up there as well.

[*zero*]

chimera's one of the better O trax. but the riff is too familiar (sounds like Frail and Bedazzled) and the lead guitar is straight out of Jellybelly. RETREAD.

[Razorstar]

He's not even the greatest drummer in The Beatles.

[nasalscarecrow]

OsamaMyLlama, on 28 June 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

i think inkless is vastly superior to chimera

:cheers:/>

[GracefulSwan]

OsamaMyLlama, on 28 June 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

i think inkless is vastly superior to chimera

I agree, I'm loving Inkless at the moment.

[ZivotSon]

*zero*, on 28 June 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:

chimera's one of the better O trax. but the riff is too familiar (sounds like Frail and Bedazzled) and the lead guitar is straight out of Jellybelly. RETREAD.

I totally disagree.

The riff is lifted from Rocket. :happy:/>

[OsamaMyLlama]

ZivotSon, on 28 June 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

I totally disagree.

The riff is lifted from Rocket. :happy:/>

inkless sounds way more like rocket, thats why i love it, its like rocket done right

[scorpiopulse]

As if Rocket was "done wrong" in the first place? :crazy:/>

[soVerysadAboutyou]

^

[Dontgetangryitsjustagame]

The Chimaera sounds like it came straight out of early live Zwan. And I like that about it. It's definitely my favourite Oceania song for the moment. It does make me miss Jimmy's drumming with Zwan, though. Mike did an above-average job on it, but it's still not Jimmy. It also sounds like one of his toms was mixed strangely, to where its ringier than the rest. You can hear it especially at the 3:08 section. Like a low pitch WUB. I'm not totally sure that's what the sound is, but it suddenly stops for a moment when Mike begins the snare roll.

[Matteo]

Dontgetangryitsjustagame, on 28 June 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

The Chimaera sounds like it came straight out of early live Zwan. And I like that about it. It's definitely my favourite Oceania song for the moment. It does make me miss Jimmy's drumming with Zwan, though. Mike did an above-average job on it, but it's still not Jimmy. It also sounds like one of his toms was mixed strangely, to where its ringier than the rest. You can hear it especially at the 3:08 section. Like a low pitch WUB. I'm not totally sure that's what the sound is, but it suddenly stops for a moment when Mike begins the snare roll.

i agree. although mike is doing a fine job, i think he can over-do it at some points on the album. on some songs he just needs to chill the fuck out. some of his accents and fills are too spazzy and hectic sounding. jimmy had a nice balance, again this is just a matter of mike's inexperience.

when i listen to oceania, this is what i imagine mike looking like as he was recording the album.



but worse.

This post has been edited by Matteo: 28 June 2012 - 02:08 PM

[trektheworld]

soVerysadAboutyou, on 28 June 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

also, i've found the main problem with oceania. there isn't fucking enough of it.

i agree with this statement wholeheartedly. i don't think it's the greatest track ever written though....but oceania could've done alot less with the synths and extra flair and alot more on hard rocking tunes like this one.

[indisposed]

It's not even the best song on Oceania. :coy:/>

[nasalscarecrow]

Matteo, on 28 June 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

I LOVE this video.

[soVerysadAboutyou]

Dontgetangryitsjustagame, on 28 June 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

The Chimaera sounds like it came straight out of early live Zwan. And I like that about it. It's definitely my favourite Oceania song for the moment. It does make me miss Jimmy's drumming with Zwan, though. Mike did an above-average job on it, but it's still not Jimmy. It also sounds like one of his toms was mixed strangely, to where its ringier than the rest. You can hear it especially at the 3:08 section. Like a low pitch WUB. I'm not totally sure that's what the sound is, but it suddenly stops for a moment when Mike begins the snare roll.

i shudder to think how great this album would have been if jimmy were on it.

[Razorstar]

indisposed, on 28 June 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

It's not even the best song on Oceania. :coy:/>

This was my point too.

[OsamaMyLlama]

soVerysadAboutyou, on 28 June 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

i shudder to think how great this album would have been if jimmy were on it.

it would probably be the same, drums were not even in a quarter of the songs

[Reichljuice]

soVerysadAboutyou, on 28 June 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

i shudder to think how great this album would have been if jimmy were on it.

GOOD POINT

[bodhisattva]

indisposed, on 28 June 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

It's not even the best song on Oceania. :coy:/>

Razorstar, on 28 June 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

This was my point too.

who cares what anyone thinks is best, i certainly don't.

with time everyone ends up loving different songs the most, and some songs ring true and feel the best for different reasons on an individual basis.

sometimes there's consensus but it still defines nothing in the scope of the individual listener and their experience with those songs where others opinions are non existent.

[indisposed]

bodhisattva, on 28 June 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

who cares what anyone thinks is best, i certainly don't.

with time everyone ends up loving different songs the most, and some songs ring true and feel the best for different reasons on an individual basis.

sometimes there's consensus but it still defines nothing in the scope of the individual listener and their experience with those songs where others opinions are non existent.

Good thing you're on a discussion forum, then. I too like to just throw my thoughts into the ether and how dare anyone comment on them?!?!?

[bodhisattva]

indisposed, on 28 June 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Good thing you're on a discussion forum, then. I too like to just throw my thoughts into the ether and how dare anyone comment on them?!?!?

exactly, thats why when someone is expressing their love for a song its pretty fucking silly to say paraphrased "well its not the best song on the album so you shouldn't love it the most"

your thoughts are wonderful but you really don't need to share them all. put a filter on and maybe keep some of the inane ones like "well its not even the best song" to your own personal dialogue.

it's a great tune and a good number will like it more than any other. frivolous to confront or butt heads over whats the best as their is no best. last thing we need is our songs forming into gangs and knifing each other in back alleys.

[indisposed]

bodhisattva, on 28 June 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

exactly, thats why when someone is expressing their love for a song its pretty fucking silly to say paraphrased "well its not the best song on the album so you shouldn't love it the most"

your thoughts are wonderful but you really don't need to share them all. put a filter on and maybe keep some of the inane ones like "well its not even the best song" to your own personal dialogue.

it's a great tune and a good number will like it more than any other. frivolous to confront or butt heads over whats the best as their is no best. last thing we need is our songs forming into gangs and knifing each other in back alleys.

One, it was a play on John Lennon's comment about Ringo. When asked if Ringo was one of the best drummers in the world, he said, "he's not even the best drummer in The Beatles". That's funny. I even used the coy face so as to not come across as argumentative and brash, which is exactly how you're coming across to me. That's not a very welcoming environment.

Two, it's as inane to say you think it's the greatest song written without any discussion or quantification.

Three, you're being incredibly hyperbolic and projecting about a few benign comments in an equally benign thread.

Razorstar, on 28 June 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

He's not even the greatest drummer in The Beatles.

LOL! I didn't even see this... see, there you go mod.

[bodhisattva]

indisposed, on 28 June 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

One, it was a play on John Lennon's comment about Ringo. When asked if Ringo was one of the best drummers in the world, he said, "he's not even the best drummer in The Beatles". That's funny. I even used the coy face so as to not come across as argumentative and brash, which is exactly how you're coming across to me. That's not a very welcoming environment.

Two, it's as inane to say you think it's the greatest song written without any discussion or quantification.

Three, you're being incredibly hyperbolic and projecting about a few benign comments in an equally benign thread.

nahh comments like that are cancerous and i'm just doing what i can to help you understand. its not brash, it's common sense and common place for people who understand and have more insight to instruct those who lack it.

and I never said anything about this being the greatest song, because as I said, I don't believe in any song being the best when its all based on opinions, and there is no absolute or way to quantify. as I have stated, ones favorite song usually switches as each song reaches us and evolves in our consciousness with time. I did say I thought it'd make a good single for the summer charts.

[indisposed]

bodhisattva, on 28 June 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

nahh comments like that are cancerous and i'm just doing what i can to help you understand. its not brash, it's common sense and common place for people who understand and have more insight to instruct those who lack it.

and I never said anything about this being the greatest song, because as I said, I don't believe in any song being the best when its all based on opinions, and there is no absolute or way to quantify. as I have stated, ones favorite song usually switches as each song reaches us and evolves in our consciousness with time. I did say I thought it'd make a good single for the summer charts.

Thank you, m'lord. Cancerous, indeed, m'lord. I have befouled a most pure creation. Perhaps, m'lord, if I may be so bold as to make a suggestion, would you be so thoughtful as to rename this most unfortunately sullied "songs and lyrics discussions" to "songs and lyrics statements"? Please m'lord, consider this misguided peasant's plea, so mistakes such as mine wont stain another man's good character!

[frosty]

ridiculous baiting.

[indisposed]

OK, here are some positives about The Chimera.

The guitar tone is very good.
The guitar leads are classic Billy Corgan (though unfortunately buried)
It's a nice, breezy song to follow two rather heavy moments.

[_Revolution_Blues]

it's my favourite from the album, it's not the best song though

[vescret]

billy once told me that the chimera killed a whole listening party sometime before the album was released...true story

[bodhisattva]

i heard the chimera and bill brasky once dated.

[indisposed]

bod, how do you rationalize Bill's comment about Mayonaise?

Our readers actually just picked "Mayonaise" as their favorite Smashing Pumpkins song.
Yeah, that's just my crazy fanbase that's stuck in 1993. It's a great song, but it's certainly not the best Smashing Pumpkins song by far.

Read more: http://www.rollingst...8#ixzz1yPUCx413

[samuelmills]

i always thought Inkless sounds like Hummer, and The Chimera has that one part that sounds like Rocket.

[bodhisattva]

indisposed, on 29 June 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

bod, how do you rationalize Bill's comment about Mayonaise?

Our readers actually just picked "Mayonaise" as their favorite Smashing Pumpkins song.
Yeah, that's just my crazy fanbase that's stuck in 1993. It's a great song, but it's certainly not the best Smashing Pumpkins song by far.

Read more: http://www.rollingst...8#ixzz1yPUCx413

I don't feel compelled to rationalize anything he says at any time. Has nothing to do with my life, directly, or my enjoyment of music, at all. But if wanting to get technical about any artists in general, I feel they probably have a completely different scope of their own work, and their best to them may have been the most challenging and mindblowing experience to create, which might not translate at all into how we perceive that particular piece. For the fan or avid listener the best is usually what they like most at that time which is always in flux, as good music should be. sometimes hitting you the right way 4-5 years later, when you finally get it and love it. "the best" as far as consensus goes is in flux as well, as tastes change, never quite knowing where the gambit is gonna fall. So essentially there is no "the best" as its just a temporary term to describe an emotion you or a group of fans feel for a moment in time.

In the scope of how I feel overall, I said it above in response #22 "Sometimes there's consensus but it still defines nothing in the scope of the individual listener and their experience with those songs where others opinions are non existent."

So I stand by my assertion that if somebody loves a song, great, let 'em love it cuz its music and its meant to be enjoyed and one should always feel free to proclaim their love for others, but don't do it in a way that sets songs against each other in "which do I think is best but your opinion don't matter" pissing match, as that's a tired and worn out approach that got old 4 or 5 albums ago.

[soVerysadAboutyou]

indisposed, on 29 June 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

bod, how do you rationalize Bill's comment about Mayonaise?

Our readers actually just picked "Mayonaise" as their favorite Smashing Pumpkins song.
Yeah, that's just my crazy fanbase that's stuck in 1993. It's a great song, but it's certainly not the best Smashing Pumpkins song by far.

Read more: http://www.rollingst...8#ixzz1yPUCx413

yeah, see? it's cause he's knows it's the fucking chimera!!

and seriously, that was the point of the topic, hyperbole. i listened to the song once and it made me into a crazed lunatic that had to tell someone something anything about it.

[OsamaMyLlama]

violet rays and inkless was the song that made me want to tell someone about how good it was, and yah i might be over rating inkless a bit just cause it sounds like a freaking SD song to me, like seriously if it werent for billy's vocals we wouldnt be able to tell if it was from 1993

[Dontgetangryitsjustagame]

OsamaMyLlama, on 28 June 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

it would probably be the same, drums were not even in a quarter of the songs

So 3/4 of an album is not enough to have had any impact whatsoever? I guess One Diamond One Heart, Pinwheels, and Wildflower were the only songs that really mattered anyway, right? Despite their being some of the weaker songs on the album.

[OsamaMyLlama]

Dontgetangryitsjustagame, on 29 June 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

So 3/4 of an album is not enough to have had any impact whatsoever? I guess One Diamond One Heart, Pinwheels, and Wildflower were the only songs that really mattered anyway, right? Despite their being some of the weaker songs on the album.

pinwheels was one of the strongest ones on the album, and what a i meant is that there are a few songs without drums, now look at the songs with drums, they are still absent for large parts of the song such as in celestials, glissandra, violet rays. 40% of the album doesnt have drums nor need them

It would of been enough to make a impact but not a HUGE impact, and seeing how quasar is beyond saving and so is oceania regardless of drums or not it really would not of made that big a impact on the overall product, at most maybe be the deciding factor of half a point

[bodhisattva]

i have been enjoying the elctro vibe a lot. i find it nicely balanced. loving me some One Diamond, One Heart but I think Pinwheels is my favorite at the moment. but that's been changing day to day, like horses racing to the finish except the track never ends.

[dudehitscar]

nasalscarecrow, on 28 June 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

I LOVE this video.

It's a fucking crime a guy that talented is playing in a shit band like that.

[indisposed]

dudehitscar, on 29 June 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

It's a fucking crime a guy that talented is playing in a shit band like that.

LOL the drummer is a showman, absolutely, but he's just keeping time. That type of thing is PERFECT for that "shit band".

[OsamaMyLlama]

dudehitscar, on 29 June 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

It's a fucking crime a guy that talented is playing in a shit band like that.

if i remember correctly he doesnt, he free lances and plays where ever.

[adamdanger!]

Matteo, on 28 June 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

i agree. although mike is doing a fine job, i think he can over-do it at some points on the album. on some songs he just needs to chill the fuck out. some of his accents and fills are too spazzy and hectic sounding. jimmy had a nice balance, again this is just a matter of mike's inexperience.

when i listen to oceania, this is what i imagine mike looking like as he was recording the album.



but worse.

Haha that video is near where I live. It's at Knoebels Amusement Park.

Also, this band is meant to be slightly cheesy. They're a show band with insanely talented musicians. The drummer was at the end of an episode of the Office doing some insane trick drumming.