[AlienCloak]

So what songs do you think will be on it? I think we might see blurricane on this.

BLIZZARD+HURRICANE yeeeeah

[frednirv632]

ARB hopefully

[TwoHeadedBoy]

I want Lonely. Winter, ARB would be nice, but I would be TOO let down if they were omitted.

[DeepPurple]

My Love is Winter, Lonely is the Name, and As Rome Burns. The rest would just be gravy, but I WANT those three songs.

[Belteshazzar]

i'm hoping for all new songs.

although I do want to hear studio recordings of everything else at some point.

[Lunatic]

More songs in the vein of Lonely, hopefully.

[BitterRootOfSelf]

As Rome Burns, My love is Winter, Lonely is the Name, Make it Happen, Caroline Yes, Circular Change, Quazar, Blessed Mother, new song, new epic song.

[Deleted Account]

I'd like Lonely and Quasar but who knows. Just give me more songs as smart and interesting as Freak // That's The Way // Tom Tom // Spangled and the aforementioned two newbies.

[Deleted Account]

btw I believe in Oceania cause Corgan proved with Solstice Bare that when his neck is on the line he can release something solid. Lightening and Owata are decent filler singles... because nothing is really on the line. I get that. He's not touring and the hopes are on the full length and reissues now.

[lemonscure]

From 'old' songs, it would be nice to have these on Oceania - Quazar, As Rome Burns, Lonely Is The Name, My Love Is Winter. Other six songs should be totally new, unknown to us. It would be interesting to hear how Blurricane and Spitfire sounds..

[awsmsc]

As Rome Burns
Emerald Green Is The Colour
Lonely Is The Name
Make It Happen
My Love Is Winter

[MachinesOfLight]

I hope they're all brand new songs.
He can use the rest of Teargarden for the old ones.

[Hyrrow]

 MachinesOfLight, on 02 May 2011 - 12:03 AM, said:

I hope they're all brand new songs.
He can use the rest of Teargarden for the old ones.

I agree. I hope they're new songs! And I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of TBK released in the way he originally intended.

[paulandgemm]

yea, i have a feeling these will all be new, but who knows! i can see lonely and my love is winter, but not Rome... i can see that later on in Teargarden however.

[lemonscure]

If I remember correctly, Corgan said that 2011 summer/autumn SP album will be heavy and atmospheric, so I wouldn't be surprised if Rome would be on it. But the one that I want the most is Quazar!

[paulandgemm]

 lemonscure, on 02 May 2011 - 03:01 AM, said:

If I remember correctly, Corgan said that 2011 summer/autumn SP album will be heavy and atmospheric, so I wouldn't be surprised if Rome would be on it. But the one that I want the most is Quazar!

he said they were going down the rabbit hole.. whatever that means.

i took it they would be darker songs, but more akin to thru the eyes of ruby than anything.. but just now i get a feeling oceania will be more like lonely than anything else. doesn't sound like a heavy album title! but who knows... exciting times :)/>

[smashp1979]

Only old ones I definately want are ARB, My Love Is Winter and Lonely. Other than that, i would prefer new stuff.

[RottingApples]

I know nobody else will agree with this, but I really wouldn't mind if it looked something like this:

1. As Rome Burns
2. Emerald Green is the Colour
3. Lonely is the Name
4. West Coast
5. My Love is Winter
6. Make it Happen
7. When the Cocks Crow
8. Circular Change
9. Caroline, Yes
10. Into the Light
11. The March Hare


At least that way EVERYTHING we know would be taken care of and done with, with nothing but new, unheard songs afterwards.

[the28game]

Almost anything as long as the synth disappears. I hope BC finds a way to bring back the passion of the live performaces to the studio...that has been lacking since the comeback, and I really like Zeitgeist etc. Just sad when what is good, could be GREAT if that "edge" were still there in the studio.

[Lunatic]

 RottingApples, on 02 May 2011 - 07:23 AM, said:

I know nobody else will agree with this, but I really wouldn't mind if it looked something like this:

1. As Rome Burns
2. Emerald Green is the Colour
3. Lonely is the Name
4. West Coast
5. My Love is Winter
6. Make it Happen
7. When the Cocks Crow
8. Circular Change
9. Caroline, Yes
10. Into the Light
11. The March Hare


At least that way EVERYTHING we know would be taken care of and done with, with nothing but new, unheard songs afterwards.

I'd be down with that except for WTCC and Into the Light. :)/>

[BlueZipper]

 paulandgemm, on 02 May 2011 - 03:27 AM, said:

more akin to thru the eyes of ruby than anything..

This^

I am hoping for entirely new songs.

[adamdanger!]

 BlueZipper, on 02 May 2011 - 08:08 AM, said:

This^

I am hoping for entirely new songs.

This and that^

No more synths. More textures, more analog, more muff.

[R_Dorothy Wayneright]

I honestly think Oceania is such a beautiful title for a Smashing Pumpkins album. Can't wait!

[lemonscure]

yeah, I don't get it why some of the people bitch about the title. Gish, Zeitgeist, MACHINA. those titles aren't better than Oceania. what matters is the music. I hope a different sound and different production than on first two eps. More heavy songs, wouldn't mind a piano song or two.

[DandyJon]

99 Floors would be nice, if only....

[Fernando]

I like the title more the way Billy speaks it... "Ocean-ia".

[lemonscure]

 DandyJon, on 02 May 2011 - 12:25 PM, said:

99 Floors would be nice, if only....

this. but we probably will get it and other Residency songs in 2014, with Zeitgeist reissue, hopefully. Billy wrote that he has recorded all of these songs at least in demo form.

DEC 10th
FROM Fernando Ramires Hello, Billy. I have some questions: Are you thinking about recording any song from the past tours, like 99 Floors, Peace + Love or even Gossamer?
BC: we have discussed recording Gossamer for Teargarden, but my guess is it probably won't happen as it is essentially seen by me as a Zeitgeist song. there is an aborted Zeitgeist sessions versions that is kinda cool, albeit rough and unfinished. as for 99 floors/peace and love and others from that time there are live solo studio demo versions recorded in Sweden just after the SF residency. they sound really good and could easily be added to/overdubed. those would see the light of day when the inevitable Zeitgeist re-issue comes out. i get full rights back to Zwan/Future Embrace/Zeit in about 4 years Zwan would be first up. 60+ unreleased songs. the 'plan' is to line up everything business wise so that EVERYTHING substantial and worthy of release would see the light of day. with old SP it of course revolves around EMI, the other Warner Brothers stuff is just a waiting game until the rights clear.

[redsox]

I am sure it has been asked/said somewhere but since I can't seem to find it (or I am just blind)...

I get that Oceania is supposed to be an album w/in and album...but has it been said that the songs from Oceania "count" towards the 44 which was said to be the length of Teargarden....or does they count as a bonus album?

[Fernando]

Nothing was said about that, but it's part of TbK, so I think it makes part of the 44 project.

[Fernando]

 lemonscure, on 02 May 2011 - 12:48 PM, said:

this. but we probably will get it and other Residency songs in 2014, with Zeitgeist reissue, hopefully. Billy wrote that he has recorded all of these songs at least in demo form.

DEC 10th
FROM Fernando Ramires Hello, Billy. I have some questions: Are you thinking about recording any song from the past tours, like 99 Floors, Peace + Love or even Gossamer?
BC: we have discussed recording Gossamer for Teargarden, but my guess is it probably won't happen as it is essentially seen by me as a Zeitgeist song. there is an aborted Zeitgeist sessions versions that is kinda cool, albeit rough and unfinished. as for 99 floors/peace and love and others from that time there are live solo studio demo versions recorded in Sweden just after the SF residency. they sound really good and could easily be added to/overdubed. those would see the light of day when the inevitable Zeitgeist re-issue comes out. i get full rights back to Zwan/Future Embrace/Zeit in about 4 years Zwan would be first up. 60+ unreleased songs. the 'plan' is to line up everything business wise so that EVERYTHING substantial and worthy of release would see the light of day. with old SP it of course revolves around EMI, the other Warner Brothers stuff is just a waiting game until the rights clear.

That's me :)/>

[dregg419]

hey people....lets get real here. there are no songs that we have heard that are good enough to be on a full length. maybe a re-worked "as rome burns" and "gossamer", but i really doubt those will be on there. im thinkin corgan has got some real "epic" gems hes saving up for "oceania". i personally cant wait!

so lets stop acting like the Spirits songs are album worthy, and the same with "my love is winter" and "lonely". im really surprised how low everyones standards are becoming....

[BitterRootOfSelf]

My Love is Winter is amazing. Its one of my favorite SP songs since 2007.

[Deleted Account]

 dregg419, on 02 May 2011 - 02:27 PM, said:

hey people....lets get real here. there are no songs that we have heard that are good enough to be on a full length. maybe a re-worked "as rome burns" and "gossamer", but i really doubt those will be on there. im thinkin corgan has got some real "epic" gems hes saving up for "oceania". i personally cant wait!

so lets stop acting like the Spirits songs are album worthy, and the same with "my love is winter" and "lonely". im really surprised how low everyones standards are becoming....

Lonely is Machina worthy. Quasar sounds like Siamese Dream. As Rome Burns sounds like Mellon Collie. My Love Is Winter is only OK. But the other three would be great additions.

[RottingApples]

 dregg419, on 02 May 2011 - 02:27 PM, said:

so lets stop acting like the Spirits songs are album worthy, and the same with "my love is winter" and "lonely". im really surprised how low everyones standards are becoming....

I genuinely enjoy a fair amount of the Spirits material and wouldn't mind seeing the rest of it show up. And I think it's safe to say I'm known around here for being pretty critical of the post-reunion material. The songs themselves tend to be good, but he has had a knack for doing a particularly shitty job recording them. MLIW, Lonely, Rome are also pretty good, but again, it comes down to how well they end up translating in the studio. At this point, I think the best results would come from them just tracking the band live with minimal overdubs. The live versions of Sprits/ 07 Residency/ Post-Jimmy material all tend to be quite good. It's the over-thinking, layering, polishing in the studio that tends to ruin them.

[Fernando]

Me too... i REALLY love Circular Change, Caroline Yes and Emerald Green from the Spirits; As Rome Burns, Lonely is The Name and My Love Is Winter sounds great and I'd love to hear a proper Shadowland, it sounds promissing!

[scottytheoneandonly]

If they're gearing up to record a new album... why would anybody want them to record songs that are two or three years old?

Stop living in the fucking past!


I'd rather hear new material. something that the whole band is part of.... When was the last time an SP album was released that had input from more than two band members?



Issue all the "lost" SP material 2007-2010 on a compilation someday in the future...after the Zwan and Solo crap gets reissued.

[RottingApples]

 scottytheoneandonly, on 02 May 2011 - 04:59 PM, said:

If they're gearing up to record a new album... why would anybody want them to record songs that are two or three years old?
Stop living in the fucking past!
I'd rather hear new material. something that the whole band is part of.... When was the last time an SP album was released that had input from more than two band members?
Issue all the "lost" SP material 2007-2010 on a compilation someday in the future...after the Zwan and Solo crap gets reissued.

My obsession with the Double Door '95 soundboards is me living in the past.

Wanting a few songs that were written in 2009 to end up on a 2011 album is not.

[scottytheoneandonly]

yes it is

[zen50770]

 scottytheoneandonly, on 02 May 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

yes it is

no it isn't.

[LostSoul]

 scottytheoneandonly, on 02 May 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

yes it is

Stop living in the present, then. Cease. :whattodo:/>

[drewmorcom]

Do we know if the song listing on wikipedia is correct or not?

[United States]

 drewmorcom, on 02 May 2011 - 11:32 PM, said:

Do we know if the song listing on wikipedia is correct or not?

It must have not been b/c it has been taken down. I saw the same thing.
We will see though.

[zeheel]

if they put 99 floors, or other "old" songs on the album, i´d be really disappointed.


i hope for completely new songs. now corgan has a last chance to prove that he´s still able to make a good album. zeitgeist was a catastrophe, and teargarde so far wasn´t mind blowing too.


so oceania is a last chance to come back into the spotlight

[LostSoul]

 United States, on 03 May 2011 - 03:55 AM, said:

It must have not been b/c it has been taken down. I saw the same thing.
We will see though.

If you are referring to that ridiculous "Noah's Ark" song title, then don't hold your breath. A similar tracklisting floated about for EP 2...something to the effect of this:

1) Freak
2) Tom Tom
3) As Rome Burns
4) Noah's Ark

We all know that was a hoax. Probably somebody taking advantage of the gullible.

This is the internet. Believe NOTHING...until you have a solid source. ;)/>