[MonteLDS]

.absof., on 18 May 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

Does anyone know the font used for the album cover?

https://p.twimg.com/AtHXG6QCAAAXN8V.jpg

enjoy a free download
http://www.ufonts.co...itc-medium.html

[ShamanO]

is that supposed to be reference to witchcraft :shocked:/>

[dudehitscar]

MonteLDS, on 18 May 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

https://p.twimg.com/AtHXG6QCAAAXN8V.jpg

enjoy a free download
http://www.ufonts.co...itc-medium.html

Monkeysnot?

[.absof.]

MonteLDS, on 18 May 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

https://p.twimg.com/AtHXG6QCAAAXN8V.jpg

enjoy a free download
http://www.ufonts.co...itc-medium.html

Cheers monty.

[gyang333]

.absof., on 18 May 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

Does anyone know the font used for the album cover?

"standard fair"

[Gr3g3]

100 pages! :cheers:/>

[Deleted User Account]

Just heard Bloom by Beach House. That's a nice modern 'shoegaze' record. I can see Oceania not being entirely dissimilar.

That last sentence of mine is fucking art, by the way.

[astralweeks]

ArticulateEric, on 18 May 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

Just heard Bloom by Beach House. That's a nice modern 'shoegaze' record. I can see Oceania not being entirely dissimilar.

That last sentence of mine is fucking art, by the way.

It would be cool if the studio version of "Pinwheels" had a similar sound.

but overall I'm expecting Oceania to be more spacey, etheral than Zeitgeist, but more agressive, louder than an album like Bloom.

[paranoidclone]

ArticulateEric, on 18 May 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

Just heard Bloom by Beach House. That's a nice modern 'shoegaze' record. I can see Oceania not being entirely dissimilar.

Fantastic album, had it on repeat all day yesterday. Don't think Oceania will sound anything like it but I love the MBV feel on "New Year"!

[Fernando]

One month from today 'till Oceania!!!

[MrRed]

Beach House = <3/>

[gyang333]

you know, I just had a thought. If Oceania does not sell well, Billy should not/could not blame fans and a lack of marketing. I mean, it will probably be due to both of those reasons, but it's basically his fault for why both would be lacking. With a month left to go, there's been little to no marketing which he can't blame on anyone but himself, unlike with Zeitgeist. I mean, the whole point of the delay from September -> June was so he could pick an adequate release partner.

Basically, I'm excited for Oceania, but if it doesn't meet Billy's standards for consumer consumption, he better not bitch about it and blame it on other people.

[afroguy10]

He will, you know he will. It's a known fact, much like the setting of the sun, the speed of light and the fact that humanity will one day destroy itself with weapons untold. Billy Corgan will blame shite sales on the fans and everyone else but himself :p/>.

[Fernando]

I don't think he's expecting high numbers.

[Simon]

Now now, let's not jump the gun here. :)/> I realize there's a lot of bad blood in the community these days, for both good and bad reasons. I'd love for this album to bring everyone back together so I can sing Kumbaya with other people, but that too might be jumping the gun. The only guarantee we have going in is that some people will detest it, some people will think its brilliant.

[afroguy10]

There's no bad blood with me, these things happen and I bear no bad blood towards billy either, my last post was just a bit of banter ;)/>. I'm pretty chill with these things, the mass effect 3 endings though, Bioware are dicks :rage: :p/>.

[whywontyoulisten]

MonteLDS, on 18 May 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

https://p.twimg.com/AtHXG6QCAAAXN8V.jpg

enjoy a free download
http://www.ufonts.co...itc-medium.html

http://wizbangblog.com/images/2010/09/BushBlair.jpg

[Parksey]

i listen to bloom like 15 times when i first got it. great album.

[rosenkreuzer]

MonteLDS, on 18 May 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

https://p.twimg.com/AtHXG6QCAAAXN8V.jpg

enjoy a free download
http://www.ufonts.co...itc-medium.html

yeah free cheap fonts. how classy.

[whywontyoulisten]

Netphoria is always good for an evil giggle or two; this from the infamous Devi Ever:

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:rofl:/>

[LostSoul]

I'm far from a Billy apologist, but I can't take her seriously. Showed her true colors in that whole argument she had with Billy. Both in the wrong. Both babies. Sorry.

[Human Sauce]

Wow. Never been on the Netphoria board before. It's almost funny in a really sad way how bitter many of the posters sound on there.

[GracefulSwan]

LostSoul, on 20 May 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

I'm far from a Billy apologist, but I can't take her seriously. Showed her true colors in that whole argument she had with Billy. Both in the wrong. Both babies. Sorry.

Who are you talking about?

[LostSoul]

whywontyoulisten, on 20 May 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Netphoria is always good for an evil giggle or two; this from the infamous Devi Ever:

[ShamanO]

Human Sauce, on 20 May 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

Wow. Never been on the Netphoria board before. It's almost funny in a really sad way how bitter many of the posters sound on there.

Shhhhh there's phorians round these boards

[AlienCloak]

Gr3g3, on 18 May 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

100 pages! :cheers:/>

Yeah and I'm the one who created it :cheers:/>

[ItsSoPringles]

Gr3g3, on 18 May 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

100 pages! :cheers:/>

and the album is still not out

[themadcaplaughs]

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Shhhhh there's phorians round these boards

I am amongst them.

[Simon]

AlienCloak, on 20 May 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

Yeah and I'm the one who created it :cheers:/>

On May 1st 2011. :o/>

[chemicalbehavior]

ItsSoPringles, on 21 May 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:

and the album is still not out

You know, if Billy had done the "traditional" approach a single would've been released two weeks ago. :rolleyes:/>

I'm really seeing how much of an egomaniac Billy is, and I seriously think that he just talks to hear the sound of his own voice cuz he seems more concerned with asking questions and ranting than he does about actually releasing any music.

Since the video where he said Oceania would come out on Sept. 1 he's gone on and on about how there needs to be more of an experience between artist and fan in order to make a sale, and he's pretty much done nothing but give interviews repeating the same questions and venting the same frustrations ever since and it doesn't seem like he's been able to make any progress on what he's been venting about.

So he wants his fans to have an experience, and that experience is defined as waiting nine months+ from the original album release while getting some live clips on youtube and numerous interviews with Billy ranting in between.

Some experience, lol.

[chrisothoulos]

chemicalbehavior, on 21 May 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

You know, if Billy had done the "traditional" approach a single would've been released two weeks ago. :rolleyes:/>

I'm really seeing how much of an egomaniac Billy is, and I seriously think that he just talks to hear the sound of his own voice cuz he seems more concerned with asking questions and ranting than he does about actually releasing any music.

Since the video where he said Oceania would come out on Sept. 1 he's gone on and on about how there needs to be more of an experience between artist and fan in order to make a sale, and he's pretty much done nothing but give interviews repeating the same questions and venting the same frustrations ever since and it doesn't seem like he's been able to make any progress on what he's been venting about.

So he wants his fans to have an experience, and that experience is defined as waiting nine months+ from the original album release while getting some live clips on youtube and numerous interviews with Billy ranting in between.

Some experience, lol.

Not having a single is only going to hurt album sales. No promotion so far

[Fernando]

Yes, because people now buy CD's after they listen to a song on the radio. :rolleyes:/>

[gyang333]

Fernando, on 21 May 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

Yes, because people now buy CD's after they listen to a song on the radio. :rolleyes:/>

It may not be the best way to attract listeners, but it is still a method by which to attract a new audience of listeners. But the single doesn't need to just be on the radio, a single is a great way to market to those who may be on the fence, or who don't know they are interested in the band. It's a short and sweet introduction to those who aren't die hard fans. For example, prior to listening to Teenage Dream, I had always just dismissed Katy Perry. I stumbled on her single on youtube, and I've been checking in on her everytime she releases a new single. Am I a committed fan of Katy Perry's? No. Has she made a few dollars off of me? Yes.

It's attitudes like yours and Billy's who wants to take the album approach (which is great, on an artistic level), but I wouldn't be surprised if Oceania will be the worst charting SP album (not just because of the decline of the music industry, but also due to a weird promotion strategy). If the band doesn't release a single, it'll be that much more difficult for a casual listener to be exposed to SP and Oceania.

[Human Sauce]

I usually wouldn't care how an album I'm interested in does financially, but in this case I care only because BC said that using the extensive stage setup for live shows will depend on how it sells.

I see much more people investing in albums from good reviews and word-of-mouth rather than radio play. A possible move to garner attention could be to release the songs with music videos on YouTube.

[Fernando]

gyang333, on 21 May 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

It may not be the best way to attract listeners, but it is still a method by which to attract a new audience of listeners. But the single doesn't need to just be on the radio, a single is a great way to market to those who may be on the fence, or who don't know they are interested in the band. It's a short and sweet introduction to those who aren't die hard fans. For example, prior to listening to Teenage Dream, I had always just dismissed Katy Perry. I stumbled on her single on youtube, and I've been checking in on her everytime she releases a new single. Am I a committed fan of Katy Perry's? No. Has she made a few dollars off of me? Yes.

It's attitudes like yours and Billy's who wants to take the album approach (which is great, on an artistic level), but I wouldn't be surprised if Oceania will be the worst charting SP album (not just because of the decline of the music industry, but also due to a weird promotion strategy). If the band doesn't release a single, it'll be that much more difficult for a casual listener to be exposed to SP and Oceania.

C'mon, it's Katy Perry. I now she has a new single, as I know Pitbul has a new single, as I know Will.I.Am has a new single, as I know that Rihanna has a new single... they are all over youtube because and it's where the money of record company is! Ask me if I know what's happening to Pearl Jam or RHCP or Foo Fighters and I'll say, hosnestly, I HAVE NO IDEA. And, I'm not a fan of any of those bands, and I hate those "artists" all over youtube... it IS very difficult for a casual listener to be exposed to a rock band now.

[Arachnea]

A single may not be the most effective way to get attention in these times yet it surely would not hurt to have one. People love visuals to accompany the music. Nevertheless it is irrelevant because it does not fit into Billy's vision of embarking on the whole album experience. He wants people to listen to it from beginning to end and for that reason there will not be a single.

[savethetiger]

Katy Perry? Seriously? What the fuck...

Yeah, as big of an SP fan as I am and as much as I enjoy the month or two experience leading up to releases from artists that actually care about how they deliver their product to their fanbase, I would've been fine with no single, or even no marketing/promotion/hype/build-up whatever you want to call it, IF, most of the reason we had to wait so long to get the record wasn't because Billy actually seemed to care about the sales and his place in the rock landscape, and thus shopped it around to get the proper backing so ultimately he could be proud of said numbers.

At this point it seems like we did basically wait for nothing. We are getting the album, and the music will have to stand on its own as requested by Billy. Which is cool because it's all I truly care about at the end of the day, as frustrating as it is to watch them piss away opportunity after opportunity to regain some traction with their fanbase. But the problem now is that even if the album is stellar, it will most likely sell like shit initially because you did nothing to build a market for it. The album can stand on its own, but not many people have been given any reason to listen to it, and how can you blame the general public when you look at the last 5 years of studio output? It's too much of a vast assumption to trust your "fans" at this point to come back just because of word of mouth or a good review they may never read. You have to give them tangible things to hang on to (i.e tour heavily before the release, studio videos, single, cool promos, a fucking website, pre-order bundle packages etc) to build a market for the release.

Now previously, records could get second winds, longer legs, as word spread and tours were played, but things get forgotten so quickly these days, that I doubt you will see those trickle down sales in the months that follow. You might see more $$ in other ways because of any critical success for the record, but I don't believe for one second that Billy won't be dissapointed when he sees the opening numbers. And I worry that all the critical success in the world isn't going to be enough to stop Billy from viewing Oceania as a failure because of that, since after all a lot of this is his money and he will need the sales to justify future releases.

And that would be highly concerning, since he knows Zeitgeist was a relative failure, Teargarden was a huge failure, and then now Oceania? Where will he go next as a result? He will get even more bitter and jaded and throw his hands in the air and probably try something even more fucked up and senseless, throw some darts with his eyes closed, since even he will have to admit to himself by that point that he has absolutely no understanding of how to be an independant artist in this climate.

Now that being said, who knows, a bitter and jaded pissed off Billy throwing darts could end up resulting in something amazing, but its definitely a dangerous gamble. With so much riding on this album, and with so much time added on from completion to release, it's so utterly lazy and frivolous to just say, here is our record, listen, and expect it to sell. It truly is a proverbial dance with the devil in the pale moonlight.

[Human Sauce]

It's gotta be awfully hard to invest everything in an album and try to promote it when you're running a wrestling company, opening a tea house, and writing a memoir. My guess is that Billy has already accepted that the modern day Pumpkins are irrelevant outside of the core fan base and just didn't bother trying to advertise his product. Never thought I would see Billy so content with having his songs go unheard by the public. Maybe he's just fed up with figuring out how to succeed in today's music industry.

[Fernando]

I think he expects the general public listen to the album after fans approve it and spread it.

[chrisothoulos]

Fernando, on 21 May 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

I think he expects the general public listen to the album after fans approve it and spread it.

Highly unlikely in my eyes that this gets very far.. I hope it does.. We also do not know the full extent of the release I guess.. But no single brings no real hype...either to sell a cd.. mp3's or a concert ticket

[DeepPurple]

Thanks to the lack of promotion, this album will not doubt be a commercial flop. Billy's only hope is that its a critical success but lets face it, more critics will bash it more than anything just because its a Pumpkins album. Corgan is all messed up. He does all these interviews about social media, and how to stay relevant, yet he does nothing to help himself. This website is proof of it. It should have been redesigned, and be booming with information about Oceania, tour dates, past accomplishments etc, and it should have been done two months ago. His "social networks" he seems to be so high on should all link in some way to the bands official website.

Ive been a fan since the beginning, so im used to seeing things involving this band crash and burn. In the case of Oceania however, it seems especially wasteful considering how much praise Billy claims the album has from outside sources. Frankly, the apathy Billy seems to have about the whole way this album is being handled is making me quite apathetic myself about Oceania, and is lowering my expectations quite a bit.

[Fernando]

Lendl, on 22 May 2012 - 12:03 AM, said:

hello!

I´ve not heard a single information about the fact that the smashing pumpkins are releasing an album in the German speaking languages. even on well-known internet music sites i haven´t read any article about it.

the average listener hasn´t got a clue too.

so no single, no promotion: so how is this album going to sell?

I saw a friend on the weekend and he told me "Hey, the smashing pumpkins is going to release a new album, do you know?". He is not a Pumpkins fan, he's not even a typical rock fan... so, what's your point?

DeepPurple, on 22 May 2012 - 04:28 AM, said:

Thanks to the lack of promotion, this album will not doubt be a commercial flop. Billy's only hope is that its a critical success but lets face it, more critics will bash it more than anything just because its a Pumpkins album. Corgan is all messed up. He does all these interviews about social media, and how to stay relevant, yet he does nothing to help himself. This website is proof of it. It should have been redesigned, and be booming with information about Oceania, tour dates, past accomplishments etc, and it should have been done two months ago. His "social networks" he seems to be so high on should all link in some way to the bands official website.

Ive been a fan since the beginning, so im used to seeing things involving this band crash and burn. In the case of Oceania however, it seems especially wasteful considering how much praise Billy claims the album has from outside sources. Frankly, the apathy Billy seems to have about the whole way this album is being handled is making me quite apathetic myself about Oceania, and is lowering my expectations quite a bit.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

What he wants is a reponse from the fanbase. That response will influence the reviewers and the critics then the (good) reviews will reach a general public - or at least that's the plan.

I can't see it as apathy, actually he seems very confident in Oceania and the new lineup. So confident that he hopes the album itself creates a good impression on the fans and the public.

[WayneArnold]

Fernando, on 22 May 2012 - 05:40 AM, said:

I saw a friend on the weekend and he told me "Hey, the smashing pumpkins is going to release a new album, do you know?". He is not a Pumpkins fan, he's not even a typical rock fan... so, what's your point?

Well, there you have it! There's been TONS of promotion for this album. Disagree? Uh, ever heard of Fernando's not typical rock fan, not typical Pumpkins fan friend? No? Well that ONE guy has heard of the album. And even he knew there hasn't been much promotion prompting him to add "do you know?" But I digress. No more complaining about the promotion and marketing plan. Fernando's atypical friend has heard of it.

[CoolAsIceCream]

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