[Fernando]

My point is: if there was a single it would be very different from what it is? I really don't think so, because the lack of information about Oceania is not exactly a band's fault, it's about the lack of interest in rock and specially in the Pumpkins.

[locusceruleus]

Fernando, on 22 May 2012 - 06:28 AM, said:

My point is: if there was a single it would be very different from what it is? I really don't think so, because the lack of information about Oceania is not exactly a band's fault, it's about the lack of interest in rock and specially in the Pumpkins.

Garbage have a new album, Slash has a new solo album out, both rock albums, both from artists who are hardly at their commercial peak, yet both reasonably well promoted and being discussed on the radio, online etc. Even the Beach Boys have a single that's in A rotation in a lot of territories. If a bunch of 70 year olds who hadn't done an album in 20 years can get airplay, what's Billy's excuse for not even trying? Even Joey Ramone's SECOND posthumous solo album is getting more of a push.

Hype doesn't generate itself. A good song and a good video would spread online. How many people do you think copy the latest boring self-aggrandizing interview with a half-assed Billy Corgan to their music-loving friends? If anything, this approach is counter-productive. It reminds casual listeners why he's an egomaniacal douchebag (at times) while doing nothing to remind them of why he's a genius.

The proof is in the pudding, and I want my fucking pudding! *bangs spoon on table*

[Human Sauce]

Garbage/Beach Boys - both comeback albums, bound to get more attention
Slash - hate to say it, but he'll get more attention simply because he's a promoting machine. The guy is EVERYWHERE.
Joey Ramone - posthumous albums usually get a lot of attention, especially from such a beloved musician as Ramone

If Oceania is as great as most of us think it can be, people will hear about it. Simple as that. There may not be a single, but that doesn't mean the "better" (radio-friendly) songs won't get attention.

[Simon]

Human Sauce, on 22 May 2012 - 07:37 AM, said:

If Oceania is as great as most of us think it can be, people will hear about it. Simple as that. There may not be a single, but that doesn't mean the "better" (radio-friendly) songs won't get attention.

:cheers:/>

[locusceruleus]

Human Sauce, on 22 May 2012 - 07:37 AM, said:

Garbage/Beach Boys - both comeback albums, bound to get more attention
Slash - hate to say it, but he'll get more attention simply because he's a promoting machine. The guy is EVERYWHERE.
Joey Ramone - posthumous albums usually get a lot of attention, especially from such a beloved musician as Ramone

If Oceania is as great as most of us think it can be, people will hear about it. Simple as that. There may not be a single, but that doesn't mean the "better" (radio-friendly) songs won't get attention.

Fair point, although there's only 2 years difference between Zeitgeist and Garbage's previous album (Bleed Like Me in 2005) and I think we can fairly well agree that Teargarden went by unnoticed by the vast majority of people.

To my mind the (admittedly slight) momentum and nostalgia that the Gish and SD reissues brought about really should have been capitalized on with the release of a strong new song. Most casual rock fans haven't heard a new SP song since 'Tarantula'. 'Comeback' is relative. Commercially and critically, this needs to be a big comeback for the Smashing Pumpkins. It's a shame that they don't seem to want to treat it like one.

No single and no advance copies means you're hoping to sell albums on good faith, and after Zeitgeist and the ensuing tour, SP simply don't have much, if any.

If it's great people will hear it? Maybe, but a lot of my favorite albums of the last decade or so passed by unnoticed precisely due to lack of promotion. I know the radio situation is different in the US to Europe. Regardless, here's hoping it's a great album and that it does well.

[Fernando]

I haven't heard about Garbage new album till it was out!

[gyang333]

Fernando, on 22 May 2012 - 06:28 AM, said:

My point is: if there was a single it would be very different from what it is? I really don't think so, because the lack of information about Oceania is not exactly a band's fault, it's about the lack of interest in rock and specially in the Pumpkins.

It would be. Just by the sheer promotion of the single alone. No matter how ineffective radio is nowadays, it still is a medium. If you ignore it completely, then don't go wondering why no one paid any attention.

[Human Sauce]

MGMT didn't release any singles from their last album and it sold 66,000 copies in its first week, the best sales week ever for them.

In an interview with NME, they explained their reasoning behind it — that it's meant to be a complete body of songs rather than an album with standout singles. "We'd rather people hear the whole album as an album and see what tracks jump out rather than the ones that get played on the radio – if anything gets played on the radio!" Goldwasser explained.

Now, MGMT is certainly more relevant today than SP, but still, it's not like releasing a successful, single-less album is unheard of.

[themadcaplaughs]

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Garbage/Beach Boys - both comeback albums, bound to get more attention
Slash - hate to say it, but he'll get more attention simply because he's a promoting machine. The guy is EVERYWHERE.
Joey Ramone - posthumous albums usually get a lot of attention, especially from such a beloved musician as Ramone

Agreed. Beach Boys in particular are going to get some press because the original lineup getting back together is a fairly monumental thing despite the fact that the reviews for their new single have only been so-so. In all fairness though, Zeitgeist (Smashing Pumpkins' comeback record) got just as much attention as the new Garbage album, and "Tarantula" was a pretty big song in 2007.

As for Slash, I can guarantee the album will not sell a ton. I am a HUGE GN'R and Slash fan, but his post Guns N' Roses work has been very mediocre. People talk about it because Slash has an image of cool and seems like a genuinely cool guy, but his money will be made touring the record with people wanting to hear Slash's band play "Paradise City" and "It's So Easy."

[gyang333]

Human Sauce, on 22 May 2012 - 09:49 AM, said:

MGMT didn't release any singles from their last album and it sold 66,000 copies in its first week, the best sales week ever for them.

In an interview with NME, they explained their reasoning behind it — that it's meant to be a complete body of songs rather than an album with standout singles. "We'd rather people hear the whole album as an album and see what tracks jump out rather than the ones that get played on the radio – if anything gets played on the radio!" Goldwasser explained.

Now, MGMT is certainly more relevant today than SP, but still, it's not like releasing a successful, single-less album is unheard of.

Now, I know this is from 5 years ago, but Zeitgeist sold 145,000 in its first week. I know, i know, it was a comeback/reunion album, but SP can do much better than 66,000 sales in a week, especially in its first week. So to say that SP could possibly do 66,000 sales even if they don't release a single, is not a very high standard. Obviously there is still value in the SP branding, Billy has pretty much admitted to it in the past when asked why go on with the band name. And for all we know, they are working on backchannel promotions, but with exactly 4 weeks to go, there is little indication of any sort of promotion going on.

[Human Sauce]

Yeah, I hear you. I think the best moves they could make now is to (1) revamp the website, which is hopefully coming soon, (2) release a song or two on Rolling Stone, NME, etc.'s websites a couple weeks before the online streaming of the full album, or (3) release a song with a music video on YouTube a couple weeks before the online streaming.

All viable options to gain some buzz for the album.

[soonergiant65]

Human Sauce, on 22 May 2012 - 09:49 AM, said:

MGMT didn't release any singles from their last album and it sold 66,000 copies in its first week, the best sales week ever for them.

In an interview with NME, they explained their reasoning behind it — that it's meant to be a complete body of songs rather than an album with standout singles. "We'd rather people hear the whole album as an album and see what tracks jump out rather than the ones that get played on the radio – if anything gets played on the radio!" Goldwasser explained.

Now, MGMT is certainly more relevant today than SP, but still, it's not like releasing a successful, single-less album is unheard of.

MGMT............Seriously??? :slap2:/>

[WayneArnold]

Fernando, on 22 May 2012 - 06:28 AM, said:

My point is: if there was a single it would be very different from what it is? I really don't think so, because the lack of information about Oceania is not exactly a band's fault, it's about the lack of interest in rock and specially in the Pumpkins.

Well which is it? The promotion is great because some friend of yours had it or it's terrible but not EXACTLY the band's fault?

[Human Sauce]

soonergiant65, on 22 May 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

MGMT............Seriously??? :slap2:/>

First example of an album w/o singles that came to me. Not a fan, I presume?

You smiley-slap like a prepubescent girl.

[bosmanad]

Fernando, on 22 May 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

I haven't heard about Garbage new album till it was out!

The promotion of the new Garbage album was, well, garbage. Lots of advertisement, but nobody could give me a real release date. Then, to release it one week early on iTunes is a stupid idea. Finally, neither Target nor WalMart is selling it in stores, which is perhaps the biggest mistake any one could make. With all the talk of Singles, promotion, etc., the biggest form of advertisement is having it on an Endcap at a Target or WalMart.

Slash is on the Endcap. Regardless of how terrible Slash is, simply putting it in a visible place for impulse buyers will sell more copies than any single would.

[soonergiant65]

No, I'm not a fan.

You took my slap like a champ. :sarcastic:/>

I will advertise the album right now. "Anyone wanting to buy the new Smashing Pumpkins album "Oceania", go to Amazon.com and buy the damn thing for only $12.49 CD or $23.41 Vinyl." There is my good deed for the day. :sp:/>

[whywontyoulisten]

I wonder if Billy's seeing how far this will go using no more than fan-power and word-of-mouth.

[Fernando]

WayneArnold, on 22 May 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:

Well which is it? The promotion is great because some friend of yours had it or it's terrible but not EXACTLY the band's fault?

I didn't say the promotion is great, I said that some people have heard about the new album yet there was no official promotion like a single... and I believe it wouldn't change if there was one, because no metter how much effort the band could make. It's not 1994 anymore, you need all the money of the world to make an ad on Youtube or wherever to impact the general public. And it is A LOT of money!

[gyang333]

whywontyoulisten, on 22 May 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

I wonder if Billy's seeing how far this will go using no more than fan-power and word-of-mouth.

that would piss off alot of the fanbase that has been following the Oceania journey from inception. If that were the case, why the 10 month delay in releasing the album?

[DeepPurple]

gyang333, on 22 May 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

that would piss off alot of the fanbase that has been following the Oceania journey from inception. If that were the case, why the 10 month delay in releasing the album?

Exactly. Billy has stated in a few interviews that the album was pushed back because the response he was getting to the album was so strong, and he wanted to give it every opportunity to be successful. Now if they were going to do that in order to get better promotion, and word of mouth, they have failed miserably. We're at less than a month to go till release, and zero, zip, nada on the promotion front. They should have just released it back in March like they had originally intended. Its not as if anyone is more aware of its existence now then they were then.

[CoolAsIceCream]

billy has said he likes mgmt.

[Deleted User Account]

"A 30-second clip of Tarantula was released on May 14, 2007.[2] The song was played in its entirety on the radio for the first time on May 18, 2007 when KROQ-FM aired the world premiere" So Zeitgeist was WAY ahead of Oceania in terms of promotion. I suppose it also had the benefit of being the first reunion track and still having goodwill associated with the band.

Unless Corgan and co plan on rolling something out ASAP, I suppose he really is just hoping word of mouth with fans is the biggest driving factor. That and having it sold in stores.

[Sophie]

Am I the only one still confident and optimistic about the release of Oceania? I mean the band said that the release method is going to be something different, something huge, something unconventional, something alt in a word.
My point is: if the event planned is so special that it is going to be awesome, and if nothing can leak before before it actually happens for fear of ruining it then why make an announcement months ago? You guys are the first ones to complain about anouncements of anouncements and saying that full albums prevail on singles.
If something big online is planned for the release date then warning people two weeks before the big event may be completely sufficient and may allow to keep people focused. If you make an anouncement too early people just forget about it.

Moreover when I saw the video clip that previewed new track I Hate Love by Garbage that has been made out of their fanbase's artwork and that was released on Valentine's day it did not exactly made me want to buy the album although there was some kind of hype around it...

[Human Sauce]

Sophie, on 22 May 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

confident and optimistic

Two adjectives rarely heard around these parts..

[awsmsc]

The album is gonna get reviewed by all the usual reviewers the first week (because it's an official release), and I'm pretty sure it'll get good reviews, so that'll be substantial promotion. I'm expecting a lot of people to be hearing about "that new SP album that's actually good" by August.

[Simon]

Sophie, on 22 May 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Am I the only one still confident and optimistic about the release of Oceania?

No! You're not! I CANT WAIT.
And I don't even get paid to say that!!!

:cheers:/>

[Deleted User Account]

Sophie, on 22 May 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Am I the only one still confident and optimistic about the release of Oceania? I mean the band said that the release method is going to be something different, something huge, something unconventional, something alt in a word.
My point is: if the event planned is so special that it is going to be awesome, and if nothing can leak before before it actually happens for fear of ruining it then why make an announcement months ago? You guys are the first ones to complain about anouncements of anouncements and saying that full albums prevail on singles.
If something big online is planned for the release date then warning people two weeks before the big event may be completely sufficient and may allow to keep people focused. If you make an anouncement too early people just forget about it.

They're going to stream it. I'm not sure that's super alt or exciting. I'm looking forward to the record, but I can't imagine they have some revolutionary promotion in mind.

[thruEYESruby]

I am hoping that a week or two before Oceania is released that there ends up being a massive video/website for the album. I'm well aware that my optimism could leave me feeling like a fool but I am still HOPING that all the information that has been disclosed, leaked, or hinted at overtime about Oceania does pay off. Based on past tweets from an actress that claimed to be in a SP video for Oceania (something along those lines) that instantly got deleted and from tweets/interviews of Billy saying that going forward music needs to be more of an experience and Billy also saying fans would be able to hear the album online before they can buy it makes me think that some interactive website or maybe an hour long music video for the album will be released.

This is not fact but just my very optimistic opinion. In the back of my mind I know I very well could be dissappointed but oh well.

Any thoughts on this? Even if its bashing my opinion and calling me a fool, I am bored and would love to hear them. Thanks!

[Deleted User Account]

Well if there's accompanying video for all of the songs, that's not exactly cutting edge. Sean Lennon did that in 06.

[Simon]

thruEYESruby, on 22 May 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

I am hoping that a week or two before Oceania is released that there ends up being a massive video/website for the album. I'm well aware that my optimism could leave me feeling like a fool but I am still HOPING that all the information that has been disclosed, leaked, or hinted at overtime about Oceania does pay off. Based on past tweets from an actress that claimed to be in a SP video for Oceania (something along those lines) that instantly got deleted and from tweets/interviews of Billy saying that going forward music needs to be more of an experience and Billy also saying fans would be able to hear the album online before they can buy it makes me think that some interactive website or maybe an hour long music video for the album will be released.

This is not fact but just my very optimistic opinion. In the back of my mind I know I very well could be dissappointed but oh well.

Any thoughts on this? Even if its bashing my opinion and calling me a fool, I am bored and would love to hear them. Thanks!

Those videos may have been for the tour.

[thruEYESruby]

Simon, on 22 May 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

Those videos may have been for the tour.

No doubt about it but I am still optimistic that they are for something more than that. I definitely could be wrong, I guess time will tell.

[afroguy10]

ArticulateEric, on 22 May 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Well if there's accompanying video for all of the songs, that's not exactly cutting edge. Sean Lennon did that in 06.

Daft Punk done it even earlier with 'Discovery' and 'Interstella 5555'.

[odracir]

I just want to listen to the whole album. I could care less about promotion.

[gyang333]

Sophie, on 22 May 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Am I the only one still confident and optimistic about the release of Oceania? I mean the band said that the release method is going to be something different, something huge, something unconventional, something alt in a word.
My point is: if the event planned is so special that it is going to be awesome, and if nothing can leak before before it actually happens for fear of ruining it then why make an announcement months ago? You guys are the first ones to complain about anouncements of anouncements and saying that full albums prevail on singles.
If something big online is planned for the release date then warning people two weeks before the big event may be completely sufficient and may allow to keep people focused. If you make an anouncement too early people just forget about it.

Moreover when I saw the video clip that previewed new track I Hate Love by Garbage that has been made out of their fanbase's artwork and that was released on Valentine's day it did not exactly made me want to buy the album although there was some kind of hype around it...

full albums > singles in the sense that people would rather have an entire album's worth of music released together, not just singular tracks released months spread apart. BC said that he feels that they did not get much attention in Europe because that market still relied on the old album-release method of music, then why isn't he playing the game in its entirety? You can't claim that 'oh you need to do the album for Europe to notice us, but I'm going to forego a major marketing aspect of it by not releasing a single'

[locusceruleus]

whywontyoulisten, on 22 May 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

I wonder if Billy's seeing how far this will go using no more than fan-power and word-of-mouth.

I would have thought that the commercial failure of American Gothic and Teargarden might have given him a hint.

[MonteLDS]

whywontyoulisten, on 22 May 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

I wonder if Billy's seeing how far this will go using no more than fan-power and word-of-mouth.

Machina II was this way. so who knows-

[locusceruleus]

MonteLDS, on 22 May 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

Machina II was this way. so who knows-

Yes, maybe he's postponed the album half a year so he can burn copies for the 'Lucky 13'. And he's just really bad at burning CDs.

[gyang333]

MonteLDS, on 22 May 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

Machina II was this way. so who knows-

I'm confused... Machina II was just 25 copies and distributed to fans and friends correct? Oceania is getting world-wide distribution with the partnership of a record label.

[Fernando]

Human Sauce, on 22 May 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

(1) revamp the website, which is hopefully coming soon

I think it's happening:

http://development.s...ingpumpkins.com

:cheers:/>

So, the websodes will be part of a premium content, huh?

[chemicalbehavior]

soonergiant65, on 22 May 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

I will advertise the album right now. "Anyone wanting to buy the new Smashing Pumpkins album "Oceania", go to Amazon.com and buy the damn thing for only $12.49 CD or $23.41 Vinyl." There is my good deed for the day. :sp:/>

Done, and done. :D/>

[MonteLDS]

Fernando, on 22 May 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

I think it's happening:

http://development.s...ingpumpkins.com

:cheers:/>

So, the websodes will be part of a premium content, huh?

apparently this is NOT the new site. And i am not surprise because it makes no mention of Oceania even. You'd think if it was a work in process it'd at least have that somewhere

gyang333, on 22 May 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

I'm confused... Machina II was just 25 copies and distributed to fans and friends correct? Oceania is getting world-wide distribution with the partnership of a record label.

yes but they seem to be following the same plan... letting fans hear the album
with the add on of actually being able to own it.

[locusceruleus]

MonteLDS, on 22 May 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

yes but they seem to be following the same plan... letting fans hear the album
with the add on of actually being able to own it.

Letting fans hear and own your album? No wonder there was a 6 month delay, this is a revolutionary idea, I tells ya! ;)/>

[judas]

MonteLDS, on 22 May 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

apparently this is NOT the new site. And i am not surprise because it makes no mention of Oceania even. You'd think if it was a work in process it'd at least have that somewhere

http://development.s...Oceania&submit=

everything seems to indicate that this was being setup last month. the last "news" update is dated April 12th. maybe they scrapped it?

http://development.s...om/?s=.&submit=

the wordpress directory also betrays the age of the site: site_2012/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/

it seems odd to me that this even exists if it isn't somehow representative of the new site. in any case, shouldn't something like this be password protected unless it's intended to be some sort of public beta? very strange.

edit: now it's password protected. lol

[gyang333]

judas, on 22 May 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

http://development.s...Oceania&submit=

everything seems to indicate that this was being setup last month. the last "news" update is dated April 12th. maybe they scrapped it?

http://development.s...om/?s=.&submit=

the wordpress directory also betrays the age of the site: site_2012/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/

it seems odd to me that this even exists if it isn't somehow representative of the new site. in any case, shouldn't something like this be password protected unless it's intended to be some sort of public beta? very strange.

maybe there was some truth in the most recent Hipsters United podcast when one of the hipsters speculated that the Uprising Collective got canned and they aren't working on the new site anymore?

remember when Widow was leaked in a similar manner? And Kristin Burns' client portal also? Looks like ol'man Bill never learns his lesson!