What was your first impression of Adore? Be honest!!!
Posted 11 January 2012 - 04:37 AM
This happened in The Marked, again in "Adore" and once again in TheFutureEmbrace (and I can call TbK to this conversation too). So, Adore didn't happen to follow the trends of the moment - plus, the biggest hit in MCIS was 1979, an electronic-ish song, and in that album, we got "Love" and "We Only Come Out at Night" in the same electronic vein.
Posted 12 January 2012 - 06:36 AM
You said be completely / fully / genuinely honest right ? So here it is:
I put the CD on, then To Sheila began and I asked my friend : "Hey, who's that guy singing with the Pumpkins?" I still don't know why but I hadn't recognized Billy's voice in the first place... :hth:/>
Don't despise me for this, I was younger than I am now.
As far as the whole album is concerned I must admit that it was the first of their albums that I thought was a little patchy. For the first time there were songs that I was not immediately fond of (Perfect in particular never blew my head off musically speaking). And let me add that this was not because of the piano nor the lack of heavy guitars. I am not hostile to style variations and I was ready at the time for some more subdued atmosphere.
This being said I would not call this album a bad album. Some tracks were catchy (Ava Adore), the orchestration of some others were great (Tear), some had original lyrics (Dusty&Pistol Pete), some lyrics were more delicate, etc. I think I really appreciated 2/3 of the album at the time and I sticked to it over the years.
In a word: yes great Pumpkins album, I still listen to it frequently. Perhaps just not my favorite because I have the impression that it is a little uneven.
Posted 12 January 2012 - 07:10 PM
And as for the music to "For Martha" being from the MCIS era, so what? No wonder they didn't put it on MCIS. It would've revealed what a weak piano player Billy was no matter where they put it. The only really significant piano part on MCIS is the instrumental that opens/closes the album, and in that short snippet his playing works. That Billy wasn't Chopin is no more a big deal than Jimmy's singing was on "Farewell and Goodnight". But you don't have to have an entire album of Jimmy's singing, or Billy's piano playing, to see that it wasn't very good.
1. You gotta be fucking with me now. You didnt understand a single thing I said. I never said he was a bad lyricist. I think every album has parts with bad lyrics but its no big deal, I love them all. You based your opinion on adore' lyrics with ''you'll always be my whore'' by saying its shitty lyrics. So what. One song has a weak line. But then you say MCIS was superior and all but heck ''Cause you're all whores and I'm a **** And I've got no mother and I've got no dad'' has to be the shittiest thing he has ever writing. Yet its from MCIS.
2. Farewell and Goodnight outro. kthx bye
But I give up now, everybody in the topic has give up. You're consistent in your opinion and so am I. I'll leave it here.
Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:00 PM
And if I were to editorialize, I think Billy's "worst" lyric is "Travel the world, traverse the skies/Your home is here within my heart". Why not rhyme "skies" with "eyes"? Why not rhyme "stars" with "heart"? For someone usually committed to pretty strict rhymes...wow. Opportunity wasted. Smack dab in one of my favorite Pumpkins songs. :p/>
Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:15 PM
Why does it have to rhyme? The emotion in his voice is quite apparent when he sings, the word "heart", as with the whole song. And plus, heart makes more sense than eyes. Why would she have a home in his eyes, rather than his heart? The whole song revolves around how much this girl means to him. Usually when you love someone, you hold a place in your heart for them. Not your eyes or spectacles..
Posted 01 February 2012 - 08:37 PM
i actually sort of agree with the criticism...matter of fact, i thought he WAS saying "stars" for some time, because it would have been closer to a rhyme, and just because i like the word better...but shortly thereafter i got past it, because he PRONOUNCES it with such a high 'a' vowel shape that it sounds like a rhyme anyway--it's more like "skahs" and "hahr" than "skies" and "heart." it's a common device in pop music, especially in hip-hop.
and it's one of my favorites too, in fact it's a close 2nd behind ruby.
Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:08 PM
Posted 08 March 2012 - 03:45 PM
My favourite songs from the album are: Perfect, Shame, For Martha and Once Upon a Time. I think a lot of the songs were better when played live, Perfect and Shame in particular.
Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:30 PM
Posted 27 April 2012 - 05:17 PM
I love the first side (Tracks 1-8). From the second, I really like Pug, Nightmare, and For Martha. The other songs are alright but to listen to it from To Sheila through to 17, is a lot especially as most of it is very even paced. I probably would have made it down to 13 songs.
Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:16 PM
Posted 22 June 2012 - 06:58 AM
Anywho, I'd like to think I was still pretty impressionable, so if Billy would've released Zeitgeist, I would've been like "Oh ... ok then this is where they were naturally progressing" so I wasn't as put off by Adore as fans older than I seemed to be.
That being said, fortunately they didn't release Zeitgeist after MCIS. I liked the louder songs on MCIS, but what really got me was the expansive sound with tracks like Thirty-Three, Love, Galapogos, Porcelina, By Starlight, etc. so I was interested in quieter songs, sad songs.
Now that I think about it, I was put off by the lack of songs that were louder and more similar to Ava Adore. I was at some store run by a late 20-something dude who had on MTV when the Ava Adore video premiered. There was a shared "whoa.." reaction from everyone. Not whoa as in, this is really something awesomely different, but whoa as in what the crap was that??
But I liked it. The video reminded me of the whimsical lyrics that came from the lesser-known, more made-for-album MCIS songs like Stumbleine.
I remember listening to To Sheila and thinking "they started off with a quiet song, ok" but really liking the lyrics. That being said, it wouldn't be uncommon for 13 or 14-year-old me to skip right to Ava Adore. I also remember liking (when I didn't skip To Sheila) the transition from To Sheila to Ava Adore. I didn't enjoy the transition from quiet to loud to a faster pop song in Perfect back to more intense sounds in Daphne Descends.
If I had to resequence Adore, I would move Perfect. I don't know where, maybe after To Sheila and before Ava Adore (I realize I said I enjoyed the transition, but it might've made for a smoother listening experience building up to the loud Ava Adore instead of just To Sheila to Ava Adore).
Anyway, back to the album as a whole.
I got into it right away. I liked the liner notes, the different fonts and styles in the lyric printings. Again, when I was 13 I figured these guys knew what they were doing so I had already accepted it before it had come out.
But I think at the time, I wished it had been a little more loud, I was missing the next TEITBITE ... I really liked that song when it had come out.
All in all, I grew to love Adore, from passively liking it, so my opinion never really changed, just grew to a stronger attachment.
That's a REALLY good point, I never would have thought about that but I 100% agree!
Posted 26 June 2012 - 05:20 PM
If I had to resequence Adore, I would split it up into two CDs like Kid A and Amnesiac. Something like ...
Once Upon A Time
Let Me Give The World To You
Blissed & Gone
Once In A While
Behold! The Night Mare
Do You Close Your Eyes?
Appels + Oranjes
Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete
Soot & Stars
Posted 26 June 2012 - 08:24 PM
Crestfallen hit me hard right away. It made me cry many times.
And now as a depressed 29 year old, hearing (and seeing :)/> ) for Martha played live in 2011, when the solo kicks in at the end, I still tear up.
I need Prozac or some lithium.
Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:06 PM
So I started collecting all the other albums, and soon discovered that each had its own style/theme/personalitie, whateverr; so I knew from there it was no-180 time. In the past, I have always favoured the artists that did pretty much what Billy has always done, artists that never stayed with a particular way of delivering music and altering their sound from album-to-album as time went on, artists like Pink Floyd, Beatles, Rush, Cheap Trick, Bowie, etc. Anyway that's what I like in my music and what I loved about Adore, because I always felt it represented the constant progression, or evolution of his creative thought process, that has continued on thru out Billy & SP's history, and it certainly is observable in Oceania, too.
Posted 02 July 2012 - 08:23 AM
I was 18, had just graduated high school, and was anxious to purchase my first Pumpkins album upon its release date. I didn't get into the band until '97 - "Drown" was the song that did it for me. I had the "Singles" soundtrack because I love PJ, AIC, etc...
So yeah, I hated Adore at first. I refused to listen to it for a few weeks. One day I tried again on my way to work, go to the pseudo-barbershop quartet breakdown in "Behold! The Night Mare," and ejected the CD in disgust! What the hell is this crap??? Where are the guitars? They need Chamberlin back!!!
My girlfriend at the time showed me the error in my ways, forcing me to listen to the album a few times. Now, it is my favorite Pumpkins album by far, and ironically, my favorite moment is the squealing feedback solo that happens RIGHT after the barbershop quartet part. If only I hadn't hit eject that day... Stupid punk kid.
Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:26 PM
Then came Perfect. Not a great song by any means but when I heard it, my mind snapped and, even though I knew it was that band with the screeching voice, I had to have it. So I went out and bought Adore - knowing nothing but I liked Perfect. I've written pages and pages about what listening to that album did and, to this day, it remains at the top of my life-changing list. I had to buy everything SP did thenceforth... I could not believe Siamese Dream when I heard it - again.
Life is amazing. I guess the moral is don't judge a song by a screeching voice, for what lies beneath could be a lyrical genius.
Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:18 AM
SD is terrific but pretty worn out, and the loud guitars don't do for me what they once did.
MCIS is still one of my favorite productions, just dreamy. But too many of the lyrics deal with youth, it's already starting to slip away from me.
Gish and Machina are really great albums but are a little out-there to relate to my personal life as much.
Zeitgeist, I'm pretty much done with. And TBK I kinda wore out, I was in the minority that really enjoyed those songs. But I do see now that they're a little undercooked and overproduced.
ADORE has a timelessness and a sophistication that Billy had never managed before or since. It's perhaps a little bloated but it really is a masterpiece and will take you to some insane places, past, present, future, to the ordinary catacombs and rain-soaked streets, yours alone on the telephone where the whirlpools sleep. love is good and love is blind.