[BlueSkiesBringTears]

Hey guys -- how early are you planning on showing up to get in line?

[gishalicious]

Hi All
Any idea when The Mighty SP will be taking the stage at Terminal 5
Thanks!

[joe020689]

so excited for the show. i also was wondering how early people are planning to arrive?

[dkbatman06]

I'm coming from Staten Island, so I'm gonna be on the 3pm boat, I'll probably be at Terminal 5 by 4pm.

[LostSoul]

I have no choice. I won't be there till 430ish. I will definitely be wearing my Black Sunshine tee, though. I have decided.

And that's great, Simon. Hope you enjoy it. :cheers:/>

[kingweapon]

hey all! just wondering if anyone needs a ticket? message me or reply here. won't be home long and i'm not awesome enough to have a smartphone, so hit me up fast!

[ItsSoPringles]

enjoy the show guys, i swear ill be jealous if they premier a new song, terminal 5 seems to have new SP songs whenever they play there

[PopcornSmiley]

they played pale horse. have they played that before?

[ShamanO]

PopcornSmiley, on 18 October 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

they played pale horse. have they played that before?

yes at every show I believe so far.

[turnitin2004]

PopcornSmiley, on 18 October 2011 - 07:39 PM, said:

they played pale horse. have they played that before?

Yes they had played pale horse at most other stops of the tour. My one question is why did they skip Pinwheels?

I am not a concert veteran so maybe someone can help explain to my way these shows aren't either identical or mixed up a little. If your going to switch up songs fine, but why did they leave off Pinwheels in NYC which was a song I was really looking forward to hearing. Its not like they added another song in its place...not that I noticed anyway.

[ShamanO]

turnitin2004, on 18 October 2011 - 07:54 PM, said:

Yes they had played pale horse at most other stops of the tour. My one question is why did they skip Pinwheels?

I am not a concert veteran so maybe someone can help explain to my way these shows aren't either identical or mixed up a little. If your going to switch up songs fine, but why did they leave off Pinwheels in NYC which was a song I was really looking forward to hearing. Its not like they added another song in its place...not that I noticed anyway.

they left it out of Chicago too, not sure if they performed it in Detroit or DC tho.

[V_____]

Great show. Good crowd.

Setlist was not a surprise, but was nonetheless great. Similar to the Wiltern show.

I wish they'd have played Pinwheels instead of lightning strikes, but I just don't like that song. I did like it better live, though, and liked Owata a lot better live, too. I saw Owata on the 20th Anniversary tour as well and this version was the best I've heard it.

Also, Oceania was the best I've heard it in any of the recordings. Billy did, like, a mellotron tape pitch bending solo, ha ha.

[chrisothoulos]

Pinwheels was played in Detroit.. Good song...

I kind of miss the days before the internet... no one knew what was played on every show of the tour so it would always be a surprise... Youtube has kind of ruined the concert experience...Unless its Pearl Jam, who play a completely different setlist every show pretty much.

[mayday27]

Yay! so much fun and now I have try to fall asleep...

[ItsSoPringles]

chrisothoulos, on 18 October 2011 - 09:24 PM, said:

Pinwheels was played in Detroit.. Good song...

I kind of miss the days before the internet... no one knew what was played on every show of the tour so it would always be a surprise... Youtube has kind of ruined the concert experience...Unless its Pearl Jam, who play a completely different setlist every show pretty much.

you could just not read the setlists online

[LostSoul]

Awesome show. Didn't get home until 5 in the morning, but so worth it.

The new songs sound so much better live, especially Quasar, Oceania, MLIW and Pale Horse.

They nailed every single song. Old and new. No disappointments. Only song I didn't fully embrace was Lightning Strikes, but I somehow found myself & others bobbing their heads anyway. Geek USA, Ruby, Soma, Silverfuck, and Pissant slayed. Absolutely, though the other old cuts sounded great as well. I did not think Mikey could handle Geek USA, but damn was I ever wrong. Kudos, man. :thumbsup:/>

All of the transitions between songs were very fitting. The circus tune before Geek, the chants before Window Paine, the thunderstorm effect into Soma, and the sound of the ocean into Ruby. The crowd energy was higher than last year's, I think. From where I was, it actually seemed as if we had more hardcores than casuals for once. I was in the same spot as last year, to the right on Jeff's side about 4 people from the rail, right by the speaker. For Martha was beautiful, and I actually started to tear up.

Billy said nothing to the crowd until they came out for the Pissant/BWBW encore, and he had no need to. He just let the music speak for itself, and it did wonders. By the time Pissant came on, the whole place was rowdy as hell. I love the encore. A big fuck you to casuals, haha. "Can't help thinking something's wrong with every one of YOU!!" Right into the one song the casuals probably came to hear. "Okay, we'll play Rat In A Cage, but you have to listen to 2 hours of these first. And then, goodnight." :rofl:/>

The audio was handled very professionally at this show. They didn't seem to be rushing it on to the USBs, just had us line up and wait it out. Just popped the baby in, and it sounds nice as hell. Those in other threads who said you can't download the show from the USB, you can. I couldn't find an actual download option, but what I did was copy the files into a new folder and then import into iTunes. :)/>

Best of the three shows I've seen them at.

Fancy Space People made me want to put a flamethrower on layaway. How the FUCK are allowed to be on this tour? Light FM was ok. They were harmless.

This post has been edited by LostSoul: 19 October 2011 - 08:50 AM

[lucciola]

So glad you had a great time, LostSoul :)/>

[mayday27]

I had a fabulous time. Can I just say that I got the most perfect spot that I could have ever asked for despite barely making it on time. Upstairs and perfect view. Not too many people around me and all nice people, and I could see the whole crowd too. It's so neat to be able to see how the crowd is reacting below. I failed my ears by not bringing ear plugs, but Im not exposed to loud noise regularly. But bring ear plugs people! At least you can have them in for some of the time.

The show was excellent. It was really good to experience the Pumpkins energy again. BC really has a good grasp on his energy and he just pours it out on stage in all different spectrum of ways, soft and loud and everything in between. Just the way I like um. I love when he stops right before an explosion (like in Siva) and kind of teases it out and then explodes. It's beautiful. It is so cool to see an artist like this play his music in the moment because he is just extraordinarily talented. They all played really well. I was especially impressed with Mike too and with the over all tightness of the band. I like the music in between for rest breaks too, very atmospheric and the thunder sounds after lightning. Oceania is very beautiful live, much different from just video. Also Pale Horse, I wasn't really getting into that from the videos but live it is just really beautiful. BCs voice sounds great. Sounds 10x stronger than in recent years. Long may it last! It was wonderful to just hear all of those amazing songs in one show. I give it a 9.5/10. Also BC and the band seemed to be in good spirits and interacted with the crowd sometimes too.



Thank you Pumpkins for an awesome show!!

[LostSoul]

Thank you, lucciola. It was fun.

I don't think my gf enjoyed it as much as last year, but she stuck it out. Really enjoyed a good chunk of the songs, but then she also barely knew some of them. She LOVES Siva now, though. Somehow that occurred in the last week or so. And she got so excited when they started playing it. Then, some asshole and his friend were trying to push through a quarter of the way thru Siva and practically crushed her. They were just standing in front of us, frozen in-position. We were both yelling at them,trying to slap at them to get their attention, but they couldn't even hear us. We are both short, afterall. Then some 7 foot tall guy next to us in his 40's or so tapped them on the shoulder. "Yeah, you guys need to move. You're ruining their time, and you're pissin' me off." They booked it. :rofl:/>

She even took pictures for me at the show so I could relax and enjoy the songs. So much better than worrying about getting a good shot and missing out on a song.:)/>

[mayday27]

It was especially nice the hear Siamese Dream and Gish songs because I missed seeing those songs being played live. I was too little to go see them at the time. I saw a lot of MCIS...

[LostSoul]

I agree. By my count now, I've heard these live since the reformation:

Gish
-Siva
-Suffer (tease in 2008)
-Window Paine
-I Am One (tease)

PI
-Starla
-Pissant
-Frail & Bedazzled
-Obscured
-Landslide

SD
-Geek USA
-Soma (x2)
-Silverfuck
-Mayonaise
-Hummer
-Cherub Rock (x3)
-Disarm
-Today (x2)

MCIS
-MCIS
-Tonight Tonight (x2)
-Zero
-Bullet (x2)
-Muzzle
-Bodies
-TTEOR

And I've also heard For Martha, I Am One Part II, HMM, Eye and I of the Mourning once each. :lol:/>

Not bad for someone who was 6 when MCIS came out. Just wish I wasn't so young at the time.

[chrisothoulos]

ItsSoPringles, on 19 October 2011 - 07:16 AM, said:

you could just not read the setlists online

Yeah I didnt read any setlists prior to the show I went to , but most people cant resist it seems.

[lucciola]

LostSoul, on 19 October 2011 - 09:21 AM, said:

Thank you, lucciola. It was fun.

I don't think my gf enjoyed it as much as last year, but she stuck it out. Really enjoyed a good chunk of the songs, but then she also barely knew some of them. She LOVES Siva now, though. Somehow that occurred in the last week or so. And she got so excited when they started playing it. Then, some asshole and his friend were trying to push through a quarter of the way thru Siva and practically crushed her. They were just standing in front of us, frozen in-position. We were both yelling at them,trying to slap at them to get their attention, but they couldn't even hear us. We are both short, afterall. Then some 7 foot tall guy next to us in his 40's or so tapped them on the shoulder. "Yeah, you guys need to move. You're ruining their time, and you're pissin' me off." They booked it. :rofl:/>

:lol:/> At 5'3" I have much sympathy and a hundred similar stories.

I count myself very fortunate to have seen the band on their SD and MCIS tours. It's wonderful to see that younger fans now have the opportunity to see the new band playing so well and in the same spirit.

This post has been edited by lucciola: 19 October 2011 - 11:37 AM

[mayday27]

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[Bountiful_Wasteland]

Best. Night Ever,http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/board_new/public/style_emoticons/default/awklove.gif

[MonteLDS]

does anyone have a setlist for last night. you can always check the USB drive if you bought one

[Bountiful_Wasteland]

• Quasar
• Panopticon
• Starla
• Geek U.S.A.
• Muzzle
• Window Paine
• Lightning Strikes
• Soma
• Siva
• Oceania
• Frail and Bedazzled
• Silverfuck
• Obscured
• Pale Horse
• Thru The Eyes of Ruby + I Am One Tease
• Chrub Rock
• Owata
• My Love is Winter
• For Martha
• Pissant
• Bullet with Butterfly Wings

Also some of the files from early in the show are corrupted and won't play guess it's the price of being first in line http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/board_new/public/style_emoticons/default/closedeyes.gif

[MonteLDS]

make sure u contact the company to get it fixed

[snail33]

i was there too. first time i have seen the official "smashing pumpkins" since august 1998 at radio city (saw zwan in 2002 and bc solo in 2005)...if anyone saw a heavyset, bearded guy with a black baseball cap with the red SP heart on it, that was me. anyway, it wasn't bad at all. band is tight, save for occasional missteps from mikey, who can be, alternately, off the rails in terms of timing and coming back from fills, and a bit stilted and stiff in moments. when he tries to play jc's parts straightforwardly, he honestly can't do it. something's missing. when he does his own thing, and uses his innate style and tastefulness, it's very good. but when he tries to go to either pole of jc's strengths--the jazz-informed genius a la copeland, peart et al and the brutal, martial pounding, he gets exposed. not that he doesn't have a LOT of years ahead of him to improve, but those years will be better served if he continues to hone his own thing instead of aping. it's a tough spot for him but he's working it! nicole is solid, sweet on vocals and easy on the eyes, pretty contours in her black stockings and booties. she plays a lot like melissa, maybe even a little more powerfully, and has some chops to spare. jeff is kinda halfway between bc and ji in his soloing style, but a little cleaner than both.

bc was in good, strong voice, didn't do too many annoying things with his phrasings. i sometimes with i could hear the guitar better when he plays solos with a lot of superfast shredding in one tight, lower area of the scale...i didn't arrive until the end of starla, which sounded pretty godhead. pale horse is lovely and was received well despite its newness; owata is still superweak and really did kinda stunt the whole dynamic, which was pretty heightened for much of the set. nothing from machina, which is a bit odd, but lots of things i never saw them play live in the 90s (frail and bedazzled, pissant, obscured, starla)...lightning strikes, which is a meh kinda song, sort of fit into the set and sort of didn't. i can't quite explain it. at first it's like, "yeah, we're rockin', i can deal with this tbk stuff, it's pretty good!" and then 2 minutes in or so your brain won't let your heart bullshit you, and you accept that it's a meh song. sure does seem like the whole pre-release of the gish and sd remasters at the same time as the run-up to oceania is heating up, and the fact that the sets they have been playing have leaned more toward that era than any other, are all part of a calculated harkening back to those glory days, pre-megastardom and megadrama (which bc even breathlessly alluded to in the liners of sd, "band finding its dreams and falling apart" or whatever), as a way to (a) get back the old fans, (b) appeal to some potential new ones who got into them from those records, and © "get his rock and roll back."

anyway, i had seen some promising things from the clips i'd seen of very recent shows, and i have to say this show improved on them, both in terms of performance quality and of how relaxed and confident they seemed. all that said...i still miss billy/james/d'arcy/jimmy, and i always will. if this lineup stays intact for a while and makes some really great music--and i do believe they could, and that bc is letting them contribute--perhaps it can evolve into a unit that means something to me. but for now, it's just 3 good musicians playing billy corgan's songs, songs they have little to do with beyond whet i myself could as a fan and musician. i think that the fact that they are all significantly different ages from bc has something to do with all of that for me as well. ji/dw/jc were bc's peers, and it just felt more natural. most bands don't have a 23-year chasm between two members. but i am more excited for what comes next than i have been in a little bit. fun show. made me feel nostalgic in both good and bad ways.

[sivasoma]

snail33, on 19 October 2011 - 10:28 PM, said:

....but for now, it's just 3 good musicians playing billy corgan's songs.

to be fair, wasn't that how the old SP was?

To be even more fair...Didn't the new SP play new material that all of the new members had a hand in writing? (OCEANIA TRACKS?)

Nostalgia is 1 thing, and it cant be denied....but it's time to move on.

[R_Dorothy Wayneright]

Aww yeah, it's that positive balance kicking in.

[snail33]

sivasoma, on 19 October 2011 - 11:00 PM, said:

to be fair, wasn't that how the old SP was?

To be even more fair...Didn't the new SP play new material that all of the new members had a hand in writing? (OCEANIA TRACKS?)

Nostalgia is 1 thing, and it cant be denied....but it's time to move on.

no, that wasn't how the old sp was. billy was a young guy dreaming, and he met the others organically and they formed a band. he and jc were friends, perhaps less so with ji and dw but they lived as a band, worked and toured as a band for ages at a time...and they were all basically chronological peers.

this band, is like a 4th generation reboot of something that has been stopped and started repeatedly, something that already succeeded, blew up, lost relevancy, disappeared, and then came back kind of awkwardly. as i said, this seems like a tighter, more intuitive BAND than any he's had since the old days, but it's still a contrivance of sorts. how many times did bc himself say it years back? "the pumpkins are those four people, those four personalities" etc...

and you and i will likely never know how much input the other 3 had in writing the oceania songs. regardless, my love for the pumpkins is predicated 99% on the hundreds of songs from 1990-2000, not because of anything new that i've heard. if billy corgan had never put another note of music to tape after 2000, i would still love SP as much as i ever did, they'd still be my all-time favorite band. matter of fact, i would probably love them MORE. (and i LOVE the zwan stuff).

despite what we all know about bc controlling and directing the vision and about how little the old members sometimes put into things, there was something about that quartet that made you feel like deep down, beneath all the bullshit, they loved each other, and that the magic of his songs was heightened by that love. nothing he's done since has had the same je ne sais quoi, regardless of the song quality. this band may become a great one eventually, but they'll never really be the smashing pumpkins to me. they're just not the same unit who made the five or six records i love so well, for better or worse.

[sivasoma]

That's cool. You have your little pumpkins world, as we all do.
But to me, it was always Billy's songs. He recorded in the studio with JC & Butch Vig, and had the rest of the band play with him live. On MCIS, BC threw them a bone or 2.
The new stuff, IMO isn't like that at all. It seems written as a unit.

I'm not really a fan of the TBK EP's persay, but that was when the new members first got recruited. There was no cohesiveness yet, and it shows. Maybe the project was rushed a tad.

But this new Oceania material is LEAPS & BOUNDS over what they just created a year ago!
I'm by no means saying SP 2011 is better than SP 1994-?, but to keep drudging through the past with nostalgia isn't fair to the new pieces of art and direction the band is heading in now.
And quite frankly, the comparisons are getting redundant.
The old band was dysfunctional, had problems & what have you. But those old members (to the best of my knowledge) were approached by BC at some point to rejoin the band.
Look at what they are doing now, not much. Skysaw? no thanks. Tinted Windows? no thanks. Methzky & the Wild Horses? lol.
SP 2010-11 is on their 2nd tour. Nothing but positivity oozing from each post/tweet from show attendees.
I miss zwan more than i miss iha & D'arcy, "honestly".

snail33, on 19 October 2011 - 11:15 PM, said:

no, that wasn't how the old sp was. he and jc were friends, perhaps less so with ji

i thought it started as BC & JI with a drum machine?

[snail33]

sivasoma, on 19 October 2011 - 11:47 PM, said:

That's cool. You have your little pumpkins world, as we all do.
But to me, it was always Billy's songs. He recorded in the studio with JC & Butch Vig, and had the rest of the band play with him live. On MCIS, BC threw them a bone or 2.
The new stuff, IMO isn't like that at all. It seems written as a unit.

I'm not really a fan of the TBK EP's persay, but that was when the new members first got recruited. There was no cohesiveness yet, and it shows. Maybe the project was rushed a tad.

But this new Oceania material is LEAPS & BOUNDS over what they just created a year ago!
I'm by no means saying SP 2011 is better than SP 1994-?, but to keep drudging through the past with nostalgia isn't fair to the new pieces of art and direction the band is heading in now.
And quite frankly, the comparisons are getting redundant.
The old band was dysfunctional, had problems & what have you. But those old members (to the best of my knowledge) were approached by BC at some point to rejoin the band.
Look at what they are doing now, not much. Skysaw? no thanks. Tinted Windows? no thanks. Methzky & the Wild Horses? lol.
SP 2010-11 is on their 2nd tour. Nothing but positivity oozing from each post/tweet from show attendees.
I miss zwan more than i miss iha & D'arcy, "honestly".


i thought it started as BC & JI with a drum machine?

none of this changes the fact that the best rock music i have ever heard came from THAT unit, between 1990 and 2000. not even my OTHER favorite bands best work eclipses that for me, much less the work this band is doing right now. i understand every point you make, and much of it is logical. but logic doesn't factor in here. those 5 records are immortal for me and no matter how much of a mad genius billy is, nothing he's done without that same quartet has really come close (and, again, i really do love the zwan record). this new shit sounds really good, but there still hasn't been a single song that gave me that same thrill of the older SP stuff. the last things that did that for me, or even came close, were these songs: untitled, lyric, settle down, yeah!, jesus/mary, chrysanthemum, endless summer, walking shade, m.o.h., tolovesomebody, and MAYBE tarantula, rose march, sunkissed and song for a son.

[Simon]

Where the heck were you guys?! I realizing it's awkward going around up and down a lineup of people going "Are you Destiny1313?"! lol Anyway, sorry I missed ya'll!

[V_____]

I was too busy on stage. You see, I'm actually Billy.

[LostSoul]

Simon, on 20 October 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:

Where the heck were you guys?! I realizing it's awkward going around up and down a lineup of people going "Are you Destiny1313?"! lol Anyway, sorry I missed ya'll!

Sorry I missed ya. We missed our train at 2:40 and had to wait for the 3:40 one. SO, we didn't get to the venue until close to 630. Everyone was inside by then. :rofl:/>

Where were you standing during the show?

This post has been edited by LostSoul: 21 October 2011 - 04:16 AM

[Bountiful_Wasteland]

I was almost directly in front of Jeff about 3 or 4 people back. I was also first in line to claim my USB at the Merch table as soon as the show ended.

[LostSoul]

Bountiful_Wasteland, on 21 October 2011 - 04:17 AM, said:

I was almost directly in front of Jeff about 3 or 4 people back. I was also first in line to claim my USB at the Merch table as soon as the show ended.

:lol:/> I had to be either right behind you or right next to you then.

[Simon]

LostSoul, on 21 October 2011 - 04:16 AM, said:

Where were you standing during the show?

Against the railing, front row between BC and JS. :jackyl:/>

[LostSoul]

Were you wearing a "World Is A Vampire" tee? If so, I think I saw you. :p/>

[V_____]

I was near the bar. NYU Hoodie and Beard/Glasses

[snail33]

LostSoul, on 21 October 2011 - 10:09 AM, said:

Were you wearing a "World Is A Vampire" tee? If so, I think I saw you. :p/>

i talked to a guy wearing that tee by the merch booth after the show.

[LostSoul]

Yeah, he was in front of me at the show. I still want that shirt. A medium never pops up anywhere, unfortunately. Maybe if I wasn't seven when that tour occurred.