[orchidaii]

I listened to a songboard version and there were some noticeable differences:

if i was to listen
i'd turn back
give up all my reasons
forget the past

you think i'd swallow that
bearing the weight of the ceilings
just to stop and ask

fluorescein
fluorescein
fluorescein
fluorescein

they give you this
they take away that
fluorescein

they'll be no rallies
they'll be no long lost friends
empty on the insides
empty on the last pretends
standing by the feeling of an end

so many lights
runaway life
so many lights

when they locked you up
they shut me out
they gave me the keys so i could show you around
but we were not allowed
ominous of a daydream of a cottage abound
fluorescein
fluorescein
fluorescein
fluorescein

they give you this
they take away that
fluorescein

they'll be no rallies
they'll be no long lost friends
caught in the spotlight
running out of the present tense
fixing on a feelings of an end

so many lights
runaway

please come back
please come back
please come back, pale horse
please come back
please come back
please come back, pale horse

please come back
please come back
please come back, pale horse

please come back
please come back
please come back, pale horse

[LostSoul]

The very first song he's written since For Martha that has made my eyes water. :thumbsup:/>

Please, Billy...tell me that you allowed the emotions to bleed through on the studio cut.

[Arachnea]

orchidaii, on 13 October 2011 - 06:03 PM, said:

I listened to a songboard version and there were some noticeable differences:

if i was to listen
i'd turn back
give up all my reasons
forget the past

you think i'd swallow that
bearing the weight of the ceilings
just to stop and ask

fluorescein
fluorescein
fluorescein
fluorescein

they give you this
they take away that
fluorescein

they'll be no rallies
they'll be no long lost friends
empty on the insides
empty on the last pretends
standing by the feeling of an end

so many lights
runaway life
so many lights

when they locked you up
they shut me out
they gave me the keys so i could show you around
but we were not allowed
ominous of a daydream of a cottage abound
fluorescein
fluorescein
fluorescein
fluorescein

they give you this
they take away that
fluorescein

they'll be no rallies
they'll be no long lost friends
caught in the spotlight
running out of the present tense
fixing on a feelings of an end

so many lights
runaway

please come back
please come back
please come back, pale horse
please come back
please come back
please come back, pale horse

please come back
please come back
please come back, pale horse

please come back
please come back
please come back, pale horse

Thank you. Those are great. I love it when Billy writes songs about his mama. They are so mournful yet so sweet.

[ItsSoPringles]

found a video that has a great quality rip of this song, it sounds like its a album version honestly, they did a great live performance

[BitterRootOfSelf]

This song immediately stood out to me. I love that lead. The ending actually brought out some emotion in me live. Looking forward to this one.

[ItsSoPringles]

BitterRootOfSelf, on 15 October 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

This song immediately stood out to me. I love that lead. The ending actually brought out some emotion in me live. Looking forward to this one.

i didnt like it at first, but now i love it, and by i love it i mean I REEEEALLY love it. i still think pinwheels is the best though

[CZR]

So bury your valleys is what he's really saying which makes sense

[Fernando]

"if i was to listen
i'd turn back
give up all my reasons
For give up the past"

[ShamanO]

ItsSoPringles, on 15 October 2011 - 04:51 PM, said:

i didnt like it at first, but now i love it, and by i love it i mean I REEEEALLY love it. i still think pinwheels is the best though

The more you listen the better it becomes, but yeah Pinwheels is really the stronger of the 2. Both beautiful songs. He has really done a great job with these new songs so far. Im beyond impressed and this is just based on live performances

[oryann]

I think I might be the only one who enjoys Pale Horse more than Pinwheels :rofl:/> literally everyone I've shown says they prefer Pinwheels as well. Great songs, both of them, of course. There's just this magic in Pale Horse that keeps pulling me back to listen again. It's utterly beautiful.

And I agree, just these live performances are incredibly impressive. I'm excited to see how they end up on the CD :)/>

[lemonscure]

oryann, on 17 October 2011 - 08:28 AM, said:

I think I might be the only one who enjoys Pale Horse more than Pinwheels :rofl:/>

No, you're not the only one. For me, 'Pinwheels' is kinda weak. Probably my least favourite song from the live performed Oceania songs. =]

[oryann]

lemonscure, on 17 October 2011 - 08:41 AM, said:

No, you're not the only one. For me, 'Pinwheels' is kinda weak. Probably my least favourite song from the live performed Oceania songs. =]

:cheers:/>

Don't get me wrong, I love Pinwheels, but I have to agree it's on the lesser side of the new songs. I love the imagery in the lyrics, and that intro, but all the other songs do more for me, put aside Quasar and Panopticon.

I really like all the new songs, and they all give me hope, but Pale Horse is just spectacular. The big three for me are Pale Horse, Oceania and MLIW.

[lemonscure]

:cheers:/>
My opinion is the same. I like all of them, but 'Pinwheels' touch my ears less than others. I kinda disliked the new 'My Love Is Winter' at the beginning, but after some listens, it became an enjoyable song. I respect the old version of it, but the new one is a really great replacement :]. And coincidence or not, but my top songs are also similar to yours :D/>. 'Oceania' and 'Pale Horse' are my favourites from those live performed 'Oceania' songs=]. Though, I'm not sure what the third favourite song is.

[oryann]

lemonscure, on 17 October 2011 - 08:59 AM, said:

:cheers:/>
My opinion is the same. I like all of them, but 'Pinwheels' touch my ears less than others. I kinda disliked the new 'My Love Is Winter' at the beginning, but after some listens, it became an enjoyable song. I respect the old version of it, but the new one is a really great replacement :]. And coincidence or not, but my top songs are also similar to yours :D/>. 'Oceania' and 'Pale Horse' are my favourites from those live performed 'Oceania' songs=]. Though, I'm not sure what the third favourite song is.

MLIW took me a few listens to adjust to aswell, but I just love the quickness of it now. And that intro, my god, I hope the intro is in the studio cut.

But yes, Oceania and Pale Horse are def my top 2 :)/> They're just wonderful all around.

[ItsSoPringles]

oryann, on 17 October 2011 - 09:24 AM, said:

MLIW took me a few listens to adjust to aswell, but I just love the quickness of it now. And that intro, my god, I hope the intro is in the studio cut.

But yes, Oceania and Pale Horse are def my top 2 :)/> They're just wonderful all around.

it really was on my second listne that i noticed how much better my love is winter was, and man let me tell you that gutair solo in the new version decimates the old

[breathesgelatin]

I would be willing to bet any amount of money he's saying thorazine, not flourescein. It just makes more sense in the context of locking her up, etc.

http://en.wikipedia....sambiguation%29

[orchidaii]

breathesgelatin, on 17 October 2011 - 07:19 PM, said:

I would be willing to bet any amount of money he's saying thorazine, not flourescein. It just makes more sense in the context of locking her up, etc.

http://en.wikipedia....sambiguation%29

I listened to it again, and it could definitely be Thorazine. I suppose flourescein doesn't make sense anymore since he says "locked you up" instead of "lit you up".

[ShamanO]

so who is he referring to being locked up taking that med that is used to treat the symptoms of schizophrenia

[amu1167]

Definitely one of my new favorites- I think it is absolutely beautiful.
This version has pretty good sound quality




...and as odd a chorus as it seems, I think it is fluorescein.

[Samuraigodzilla]

obscured and pale horse.
Nice to hear a very direct emotional song instead of some of the more esoteric/new agey lyrics of some of the other recent songs.

[oryann]

Samuraigodzilla, on 19 October 2011 - 07:33 PM, said:

obscured and pale horse.
Nice to hear a very direct emotional song instead of some of the more esoteric/new agey lyrics of some of the other recent songs.

<3/>

this might be my new favorite.. it's a beautiful song.

[samuelmills]

dudehitscar, on 08 October 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

Pale horse might be a reference to the horse rode by Death. Anyone know anymore?

that would be my guess as well.

[ItsSoPringles]

samuelmills, on 22 October 2011 - 06:22 PM, said:

that would be my guess as well.

yah its without a doubt about death and his mom,

[raysondetre]

orchidaii, on 09 October 2011 - 12:00 PM, said:

They use it to track cell movement. With cancer, it's usually to track tumors.

Hopefully we get the lyrics with this album, but here is a start:


if i was ...
i'd turn back
give up all my reasons
forget the past

you think i'd swallow ...
bearing the weight of the ceilings
just to stop and [ask?]

fluorescein
fluorescein
fluorescein
fluorescein

they give you this
they take away that
fluorescein

they'll be no rallies
they'll be no long last ...
empty on the inside
running out of the last protests
standing by the feeling of an end

[stowaway or slow away?] [lights or life?]
runaway [love or life?]

when they lit you up
you shut me out
they gave me the keys so i could show you around
but we were not around
ominous of a day dream of a cottage [abound?]
fluorescein
fluorescein
fluorescein
fluorescein

they give you this
they take away that
fluorescein

they'll be no rallies
they'll be no long last ...
coming [or cutting?] out of the spotlight
running out of the last protests
standing by the feelings of an end

[stowaway or slow away?] [lights or life?]
runaway [love or life?]

please come back
please come back
please come back, pale horse
please come back
please come back
please come back, pale horse

please come back
please come back
please come back, pale horse

please come back
please come back
please come back, pale horse

Thinks comment was right about thorazine but it's a combination of the two.

[BlueSkiesBringTears]

I think this song is really nice. It's understated...seems bland at first. But I think it's one of those songs that, at some point down the road, you're suddenly struck by how it's brimming with emotional pain, and that it's a total gem, and you're like, "How'd I ever notice this." (For me, that's how This Time, With Every Light, and even Galapagos were. They didn't hit me for a while. In some cases, years.)

But there's one thing I can't get past: the theme, or the hook, or the riff, or whatever you want to call it ... the music that makes up the intro, and recurs a couple more times. Basically, any part without vocals. It's like a Egyptian (or whatever...) phrase bastardized to make a pop song cute. (In trying to make my point, I'm overstating it...it's really not that bad.) It sounds like the bad hook to a bad song (just throw a dart blindfolded) on Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me.

Outside after the New York City show a couple weeks ago, I overheard a fan tell Billy that they really like Pale Horse. Billy's response was self-critical, regretful, and cautionary -- he said that he likes the studio version, but has some reservations about the live version. (I don't reemmber exactly what he said.) I found this first-hand display of his constant self-appraising, introspection, and fixation with his work really interesting. And he had me wondering if the music will make more sense to me when I hear the studio version.

[LostSoul]

BlueSkiesBringTears, on 01 November 2011 - 01:24 AM, said:

Outside after the New York City show a couple weeks ago, I overheard a fan tell Billy that they really like Pale Horse. Billy's response was self-critical, regretful, and cautionary -- he said that he likes the studio version, but has some reservations about the live version. (I don't reemmber exactly what he said.) I found this first-hand display of his constant self-appraising, introspection, and fixation with his work really interesting. And he had me wondering if the music will make more sense to me when I hear the studio version.

I think that is how it will be for a lot of these songs. Especially Pale Horse, Pinwheels & Oceania.

[Samuraigodzilla]

LOVE PALE HORSE and just a little less PINWHEELS. Really hope the album versions are as good as the live versions actually.
:happy:/>

[ItsSoPringles]

so then pale horse will be differant on album, i feel as if billy is getting so self critical over the live version then there really must be something good about the album version

[Melack]

The "please come back pale horse" part with Billy looking upwards really moved me. Great melody in this song and some nice chords.

[Deleted User Account]

It could sound like anything on the album. Remember when BC and co premiered God & Country in 07 before Zeitgeist? It was an acoustic song...

[Sophie]

Done !
Pale horse just got me burst into tears. :cry:/>(<- comic relief)

I know that some are going to mock this kind of reaction over a song but never mind.
There are raw emotions into those lyrics that echoed my personal history (anger, sadness, admission of helplessness -standing by the feeling of an end- and so on).

I just wonder how can Billy sing this song and For Martha every night on stage and not be litterally torn through at the end of it. It seems you can get used to everything. I bet the first recording was a bit harsh though.

[ItsSoPringles]

Sophie, on 06 November 2011 - 01:08 PM, said:

Done !
Pale horse just got me burst into tears. :cry:/>(<- comic relief)

I know that some are going to mock this kind of reaction over a song but never mind.

well peopel cried over for martha which has the same meaning as pale horse so i dont think people will criticize you, ive never cried during a song, ive gotten watery eyes from one hell pale horse did, but never full blown tears, actually only a anime called clannad has ever mad eme cry and if anyone has seen that series they know exactly why

ok sorry for goign off topic there

[Sophie]

For Martha was more about the void left in Billy's life after his mum died.

Pale horse does not spare us any of the gory details of the end of life under medical care. I think the lyrics are even more powerful for this reason. I would have never thought that an artist could make such a beautiful song out of such things (that I also had to cope with).

Corgan can be such a genius sometimes.

[Martine Castonguay]

You're right Sophie. It's a brutal song in a kind of way, saying us, wake up, life is not only a rose garden. Death is not only a romantic idea, it's a hard time to live.

In our crazy lifestyle, what does it remember us? To see the real things? That we have to deaden the pain? Is it our way to deaden it, in not looking truly our life?

Are we able to give a look at what we really feel? The pain to see all the tubes maintaining us alive? Are we alive? Or just zombies?

Great song indeed!

[LostSoul]

I love this song. I write a lot of poetry, compositions, etc and a handful are about my deceased mother, even my father. I've tried to address the subject through words, and every time I find words, they are very dark. Though they had a different form of cancer, I can entirely relate to this song. The feeling of an "end", that life is taking a drastic change that leaves you feeling like you've lost everything. The way doctors give you things to make you feel better, when all they do is make you worse. They gave my mother this patch with some medicinal rubbish in it. All it did was bewilder her and nauseate her, and a few days later she died. One night months before she died, she fell. So we took her to the emergency room. There she is, suffering, and we spent about 5 hours waiting for them to address our situation and help her. For an "emergency room", there was none for them.

My father was in a hospice for the last week of his life and I got the vibe that they didn't care what happened to him. At all.

Sorry to go on a tangent. I just see clear as day what this song could mean to BC, and I understand it. It is a difficult feeling that I still am not over. And clearly, it took Billy over 10 years to find the peace of mind and words to address her death & treatment directly. Good on him. This is a beautiful song. I cannot wait to the heights he took this to in-studio. :happy:/>

This post has been edited by LostSoul: 07 November 2011 - 04:54 AM

[BlueSkiesBringTears]

BlueSkiesBringTears, on 01 November 2011 - 01:24 AM, said:

But there's one thing I can't get past: the theme, or the hook, or the riff, or whatever you want to call it ... the music that makes up the intro, and recurs a couple more times. Basically, any part without vocals. It's like a Egyptian (or whatever...) phrase bastardized to make a pop song cute. (In trying to make my point, I'm overstating it...it's really not that bad.) It sounds like the bad hook to a bad song (just throw a dart blindfolded) on Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me.

You know, I'm pretty sure I'm ready to completely retract this. (For one thing, "Egyptian" was innaccurate.) And it's not throwing me off so much anymore -- lately, the ENTIRE song is sounding pretty damn good to me.

ItsSoPringles, on 03 November 2011 - 06:48 AM, said:

so then pale horse will be differant on album, i feel as if billy is getting so self critical over the live version then there really must be something good about the album version

Well, I may have overstated that he was critical of the live version -- I don't know exactly what was in his head, obviously. Basically, a girl said to him, "Pale Horse is a beautiful song", and his immediate response was something like, "Eh, yeah, I'm not really sure about it live, it's okay, but I like the studio version a lot more." It's not like he was saying that the live version is terrible or a complete failure -- but the fact that the first (and I think only) thing that he said shows that the studio version being better was definitely prominent on his mind, at least at that point, a half hour after that night's show.

[agent_cooper]

oryann, on 17 October 2011 - 08:28 AM, said:

I think I might be the only one who enjoys Pale Horse more than Pinwheels :rofl:/> literally everyone I've shown says they prefer Pinwheels as well. Great songs, both of them, of course. There's just this magic in Pale Horse that keeps pulling me back to listen again. It's utterly beautiful.

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No, you're not the only one. For me, 'Pinwheels' is kinda weak. Probably my least favourite song from the live performed Oceania songs. =]

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LOVE PALE HORSE and just a little less PINWHEELS. Really hope the album versions are as good as the live versions actually.:happy:/>

Say again? You're not at all the only one, I prefer Pale Horse it sounds so Adore, gives me goosebumps everythime. The guitarsound in the lead is stunning and the "please come back" part gets me everytime. This might turn out one of his best songs ever and a future classic

[oryann]

agent_cooper, on 08 November 2011 - 01:03 PM, said:

Say again? You're not at all the only one, I prefer Pale Horse it sounds so Adore, gives me goosebumps everythime. The guitarsound in the lead is stunning and the "please come back" part gets me everytime. This might turn out one of his best songs ever and a future classic

Exactly! It's so Adore-esque. it has that sad yet beautiful charm to it, but it sounds so sincere at the same time. Just like most songs on Adore. Guess I didn't realize haha, that so many people preferred it as well!

I definitely think it has classic potential :)/>

BTW, I just now realized your screenname/avatar were Special Agent Dale Cooper. You officially are my favorite member.

[ShamanO]

I like both Pale Horse and Pinwheels add in some Oceania too

there is something about all 3 of these songs that have the Pumpkin magic within them :happy:/>

[Sophie]

I've already said it but count me in the Pale Horse adorers (no pun intended).
Already a classic to me.

oryann, on 08 November 2011 - 01:17 PM, said:

BTW, I just now realized your screenname/avatar were Special Agent Dale Cooper. You officially are my favorite member.

And oh, another TP fan. Count me in for that too. Funny how people can share the same tastes. :happy:/>

[oryann]

ShamanO, on 08 November 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

I like both Pale Horse and Pinwheels add in some Oceania toothere is something about all 3 of these songs that have the Pumpkin magic within them :happy:/>

most definitely :)/> I really like Pinwheels, don't get me wrong, Pale Horse just blows me away. But I agree, these 3 have a magic to them that has been lost for quite some time. Even MLIW does for me honestly.

Sophie, on 08 November 2011 - 01:33 PM, said:

I've already said it but count me in the Pale Horse adorers (no pun intended).Already a classic to me.And oh, another TP fan. Count me in for that too. Funny how people can share the same tastes. :happy:/>

Woo! TP is so great :cheers:/>

[LostSoul]

Pinwheels, Pale Horse, Oceania and MLIW all have the magic, to be honest. Panopticon & Quasar are just 'fun rocker' songs, but very good ones at that.

Pale Horse & MLIW, especially, have something special to them. Lyrically, vocally, and just the vibe I get. Oceania does as well, but mainly the first third of the song does. That intro SLAYS me everytime. "No one can love you, 'cause no one can free you. Lovers can't touch you, 'cause lovers might reach you, yeah..."

:jackyl:/>

[oryann]

LostSoul, on 08 November 2011 - 06:47 PM, said:

Pinwheels, Pale Horse, Oceania and MLIW all have the magic, to be honest. Panopticon & Quasar are just 'fun rocker' songs, but very good ones at that.

Pale Horse & MLIW, especially, have something special to them. Lyrically, vocally, and just the vibe I get. Oceania does as well, but mainly the first third of the song does. That intro SLAYS me everytime. "No one can love you, 'cause no one can free you. Lovers can't touch you, 'cause lovers might reach you, yeah..."

:jackyl:/>

I know what you mean. Those are the big 4 for me too, and I think with great production the other 2 will turn out really really well. I have full confidence.

Oceania is great, the intro slays me as well. I agree the first 3rd is the best, that part where he sings "and still she's gone.." gets me everytime. It gives me chills. The guitar there, everything is just devastating. I haven't felt anything like that from a Pumpkins song since........ Slow Dawn

I just can't believe how good these songs sound. It's so dreamy, yet so different from earlier work. I absolutely can't wait for this album!

[snail33]

Sophie, on 07 November 2011 - 03:06 AM, said:

For Martha was more about the void left in Billy's life after his mum died.

Pale horse does not spare us any of the gory details of the end of life under medical care. I think the lyrics are even more powerful for this reason. I would have never thought that an artist could make such a beautiful song out of such things (that I also had to cope with).

Corgan can be such a genius sometimes.

people may scoff, but i think gerard way did a pretty great job of this on black parade.