[JukeboxFuckup]

Wow, not sure what to make of that. Hope nothing more ugly happened and this was expected or mutual on each end.

Without details its hard to make much of it. Could just be an agreed end, or it could be something more. Not following each other on twitter anymore is a werid one, which does point to the more likely conclusion that something ugly or immature happened to do such a public "we aint buddies anymore" display

[Fernando]

I'm really sad about this, and I'm not even talking about the business thing... they were friends for almost 20 years now...

[serotoninsage]

re: twitter. maybe it's just a public way of announcing that they're no longer involved with each other regarding SP related news. i'm quite sure that whatever will circle around in the public has little impact on their personal relationship. it's not like they don't have each other on speed dial or anything. also, fuck twitter.

[Lunatic]

ZivotSon, on 09 December 2011 - 11:47 AM, said:

Back on topic, and I'm surprised no one has pointed this out yet, but it's pretty obvious why Billy parted ways with Kerry: It was Kerry's idea to have Fancy Space People tour with SP.

Good luck to you Kerry.

Actually, I caught Billy rocking the fuck out to Fancy Space People in Providence. Jeff and I had a conversation about how FSP was Billy's choice for an opener, Last FM was Nicole's and Ringo DeathStarr was his. We laughed about if Mike picked an opener, the band wouldn't play in 4/4 time and it'd be headache-enducing.

[link343]

I don't know if anyone noticed this, but Kerry just recently made his twitter profile private. Meaning only people Kerry approves can see his tweets.

[the_farewell_party]

I hope this was an amicable split and not one of those splits where one guy accuses the other of being an evil, soul-sucking narcissistic drug addict. You know, the kind where one of the guys has to go to jail or join a band with the guy from Hansen? I hate those kinds of splits.

[standing]

what if kerry was some how responsible (or atleast blamed by billy) for the pre-order delay? That could explain the "departure". Maybe kerry was like the liason between sp inc and topspin and he didnt keep up with everything and the correct amount of boxes werent made?

[Arachnea]

It says that sources told HU that it happened in early November, which would place it far before the pre-order problem.

[V_____]

I feel like Kerry might have been too supportive (that is, not critical enough) of the band. If you've got someone there saying everything is great, how is that person supposed to help you/edit you?

[Deleted User Account]

V_____, on 09 December 2011 - 07:49 PM, said:

I feel like Kerry might have been too supportive (that is, not critical enough) of the band. If you've got someone there saying everything is great, how is that person supposed to help you/edit you?

Well, while I agree Corgan surrounding himself with yes men/women is a big problem, I can't imagine Kerry criticizing Corgan. I don't know the man, but he strikes me as being "smart" enough not to piss off the boss man. I mean, Starla 2011 mix.... pretty revelatory stuff. "yes sir, whatever you want, sir!".

Anyway, point being, Corgan would never fire someone for being too supportive. At least that's the impression I've got.

[V_____]

ArticulateEric, on 09 December 2011 - 07:58 PM, said:

Well, while I agree Corgan surrounding himself with yes men/women is a big problem, I can't imagine Kerry criticizing Corgan. I don't know the man, but he strikes me as being "smart" enough not to piss off the boss man. I mean, Starla 2011 mix.... pretty revelatory stuff. "yes sir, whatever you want, sir!".

Anyway, point being, Corgan would never fire someone for being too supportive. At least that's the impression I've got.

Well, I dunno. I'm not really trying to imply that's what happened, I just think, in my opinion, Kerry was a little too yes-man and it's probably better to get someone a little more analytical in there.

[hotoriousDICK]

Please try not to insult billy or kerry in this thread. Truth is we don't know what happened and most likely never know unless one of them speak about it.

[Fernando]

I think I don't wanna know about it... I don't want to see another public war.

[JukeboxFuckup]

Fernando, on 10 December 2011 - 04:48 AM, said:

I think I don't wanna know about it... I don't want to see another public war.

Agree. If it turns out it is ugly, immature or petty / pathetic - i'll be just about done with it all. Can't really handle watching a fucking train wreck over and over again. It;s not worth the trouble. I'll buy / download music - but having any sort of emotional connection to it anymore - nope. Will just be another band on my ipod.

[Matteo]

you guys are dumb. i don't give a fuck. just listen to the music as it's released and forget about all the bullshit. none of this matters. as long as billy keeps writing his own music, i'll be happy with it.

[hotoriousDICK]

^ matteo has a good point

[DandyJon]

hotoriousDICK, on 10 December 2011 - 09:19 AM, said:

^ matteo has a good point

Agreed, all of this drama is useless

[dudehitscar]

JukeboxFuckup, on 10 December 2011 - 08:59 AM, said:

Agree. If it turns out it is ugly, immature or petty / pathetic - i'll be just about done with it all. Can't really handle watching a fucking train wreck over and over again. It;s not worth the trouble. I'll buy / download music - but having any sort of emotional connection to it anymore - nope. Will just be another band on my ipod.

really? After everything that has happened Kerry Brown is the final straw? I don't know how or why you let this stuff still bother you at this point.

I have a personal connection to the songs and a small interest in Corgan's thought process and opinions on things (music industry, etc). I really don't care if BC is an dick or not. I don't hang out with him. I'm not dating him. He is my favorite musician and his musical career is all that matters.

[Matteo]

dudehitscar, on 10 December 2011 - 09:33 AM, said:

really? After everything that has happened Kerry Brown is the final straw? I don't know how or why you let this stuff still bother you at this point.

I have a personal connection to the songs and a small interest in Corgan's thought process and opinions on things (music industry, etc). I really don't care if BC is an dick or not. I don't hang out with him. I'm not dating him. He is my favorite musician and his musical career is all that matters.

couldn't have said it any better myself.

for some odd reason sp fans think they have some sort of personal connection with billy, and if he's an asshole they're insulted and offended. nonsense.

[RottingApples]

I only hope this doesn't negatively affect the reissues/ SPRC project. That's my only real concern.

[Deleted User Account]

Fair point, Matteo. I agree the concern is overblown and insincere.

RottingApples, on 10 December 2011 - 11:10 AM, said:

I only hope this doesn't negatively affect the reissues/ SPRC project. That's my only real concern.

I don't think it will interfere with the release of the remaining reissues, but it may affect the quality. I'm sure that's what you meant, but I don't know how much of a hand KB had in compiling them. Maybe you can shed light on that for me. I'd assume Billy was in charge of picking tracks and arranging them?

[RottingApples]

ArticulateEric, on 10 December 2011 - 11:25 AM, said:

I don't think it will interfere with the release of the remaining reissues, but it may affect the quality. I'm sure that's what you meant, but I don't know how much of a hand KB had in compiling them. Maybe you can shed light on that for me. I'd assume Billy was in charge of picking tracks and arranging them?

Yes, the quality is what I am concerned for. I wish I knew just how involved Kerry was with the project, in terms of locating the materials, organizing and cataloguing them. I only know he was responsible for transferring the raw tapes to digital, but beyond that I couldn't say. Hopefully Billy's Archive team knows what they're doing and can push on without Kerry's assistance to present the best possible tracks and quality for future reissues.

[ItsSoPringles]

dudehitscar, on 10 December 2011 - 09:33 AM, said:

really? After everything that has happened Kerry Brown is the final straw? I don't know how or why you let this stuff still bother you at this point.

I have a personal connection to the songs and a small interest in Corgan's thought process and opinions on things (music industry, etc). I really don't care if BC is an dick or not. I don't hang out with him. I'm not dating him. He is my favorite musician and his musical career is all that matters.

he will be back, this is the 3rd time hes said its the final straw with the pumpkins, he just is negitive about everything and overreacts about every small thing, billy could have sneezed and hed some how still find a reason to be pissed at it, at least when bimbly is negative he actually is negative for a good reason and has backing proof, juke just gets pissed like a 12 year old not getting a video game he wanted

[ssttaarrllaa]

I am Sad :cry:/> This is just terrible!! :nope:/>

[JukeboxFuckup]

ItsSoPringles, on 10 December 2011 - 12:22 PM, said:

he will be back, this is the 3rd time hes said its the final straw with the pumpkins, he just is negitive about everything and overreacts about every small thing, billy could have sneezed and hed some how still find a reason to be pissed at it, at least when bimbly is negative he actually is negative for a good reason and has backing proof, juke just gets pissed like a 12 year old not getting a video game he wanted

Really? Want to tell me the other two, or did you just pull that out your arse?

I will continue to be a fan of the music, but being any more than that is really not that enjoyable anymore. It's meant to be JUST about the music, but with this band and this website - it rarely is. Spending my time hanging around you lot and watching Billy make relationships then break relationships publicly over and over and over and over and over again - as Johnny Rotten said "No Fun". Reissues were great, but soured by poor management. TBK was an epic project that he has pretty much abandon since he went with the "album within an album" concept. Oceania sounded promising - but now its turning up months late - with no genuine ETA, and no confirmation of what, if and how. Why "buy in" to something, then when he can't be fucked - be left in the dark - ALL THE TIME.

Watching a band (partially )reform, then completely de-form, then positively re-form again - just for the one constant relationship during that whole process to break ties just as it appears all his work has been done and its time to enjoy the fruits of that labour - DRAINING . It sounds like TBK,SPRC and the re-issues KB had a lot to do with ( and was much more willing to keep us informed than Billy ever has been willing to be ) - and now that this work is done, and Billy (at least) is expecting Oceania to be "bigger than KB can handle" he is not needed and they have to be so petty to "de-friend" each other on twitter?? Seriously, why bother??? Between the petty bitch fighting with Courtney and every other public ugly spat - he is too old to be acting like such a fucking social network child.

Even if KB and BC were not professionally going to be working together anymore - why would you bother to de-friend each other on a public social network? It was of boths professional benefits to still be connected to each other i would have though. at least my reputation.

This was meant to be a one of the most positive periods in the bands reformation and to be quite honest - it's turning back into a fucking shambles for those who watch the whole thing TOO closely.

Wouldn't be an issue if you didn't "buy in" to being "more than just a casual fan" - which is what Billy pretty much always ask for - loyal fans who just don't use his music as a disposal mp3 source, and support him no matter what. But he makes the ride so fucking unenjoyable, why would you put in any more effort or energy than required. It;s like having a malicious bi-polar girlfriend who one second comes home crying she loves you, then the next day burns your clothes in the lounge room, then the day after acts like nothing happened.

If the band releases music, i'll listen to it. If the band tours, i'll go. But if this is how it looks to be, let him self destruct on his own.

Once again, all this could have been avoided if Billy used proper communication to give people a "heads up"that this or that has happened. But communication is not his strong point, and because of this - as much as he wished to be "independent", even at 40+ years of age - he is no way near mature enough to do it properly.

[afroguy10]

Shoosht!

Not for you Bimbly, for moany tits above you.

This post has been edited by afroguy10: 10 December 2011 - 05:10 PM

[themadcaplaughs]

Although I am of course, upset to see another one of Billy's longtime friendships end, this deal is really between them. Yes they stopped following each other on Twitter, but how many of us would have really known that if Hipsters United did not report it. In all honesty I gotta say that it was all actually handled pretty respectfully.

As for Kerry's impact on the band, at best he really had none and at worst he was responsible for what I feel are some poor production choices and some remixes of songs that are seen as almost disrespectful.

[ItsSoPringles]

JukeboxFuckup, on 10 December 2011 - 04:33 PM, said:

Really? Want to tell me the other two, or did you just pull that out your arse?

I will continue to be a fan of the music, but being any more than that is really not that enjoyable anymore. It's meant to be JUST about the music, but with this band and this website - it rarely is. Spending my time hanging around you lot and watching Billy make relationships then break relationships publicly over and over and over and over and over again - as Johnny Rotten said "No Fun". Reissues were great, but soured by poor management. TBK was an epic project that he has pretty much abandon since he went with the "album within an album" concept. Oceania sounded promising - but now its turning up months late - with no genuine ETA, and no confirmation of what, if and how. Why "buy in" to something, then when he can't be fucked - be left in the dark - ALL THE TIME.

Watching a band (partially )reform, then completely de-form, then positively re-form again - just for the one constant relationship during that whole process to break ties just as it appears all his work has been done and its time to enjoy the fruits of that labour - DRAINING . It sounds like TBK,SPRC and the re-issues KB had a lot to do with ( and was much more willing to keep us informed than Billy ever has been willing to be ) - and now that this work is done, and Billy (at least) is expecting Oceania to be "bigger than KB can handle" he is not needed and they have to be so petty to "de-friend" each other on twitter?? Seriously, why bother??? Between the petty bitch fighting with Courtney and every other public ugly spat - he is too old to be acting like such a fucking social network child.

Even if KB and BC were not professionally going to be working together anymore - why would you bother to de-friend each other on a public social network? It was of boths professional benefits to still be connected to each other i would have though. at least my reputation.

This was meant to be a one of the most positive periods in the bands reformation and to be quite honest - it's turning back into a fucking shambles for those who watch the whole thing TOO closely.

Wouldn't be an issue if you didn't "buy in" to being "more than just a casual fan" - which is what Billy pretty much always ask for - loyal fans who just don't use his music as a disposal mp3 source, and support him no matter what. But he makes the ride so fucking unenjoyable, why would you put in any more effort or energy than required. It;s like having a malicious bi-polar girlfriend who one second comes home crying she loves you, then the next day burns your clothes in the lounge room, then the day after acts like nothing happened.

If the band releases music, i'll listen to it. If the band tours, i'll go. But if this is how it looks to be, let him self destruct on his own.

Once again, all this could have been avoided if Billy used proper communication to give people a "heads up"that this or that has happened. But communication is not his strong point, and because of this - as much as he wished to be "independent", even at 40+ years of age - he is no way near mature enough to do it properly.

1 time was in a concert thread when you refused to attend it and said you wouldn't go even if they playe din your kitchen
other time was when you found out march would be oceania's release date

also look......you came back

[bodhisattva]

thorazine, on 09 December 2011 - 12:26 PM, said:

SP parting with someone is common practice.

it makes the songs mean something greater i think.

[Martine Castonguay]

bodhisattva, on 11 December 2011 - 12:16 AM, said:

it makes the songs mean something greater i think.

Greater? In what? I would like to know what you believe.

[Matteo]

i don't care about kerry. why don't we speculate about something worthwhile...like when is jimmy coming back?

[dudehitscar]

Matteo, on 11 December 2011 - 08:33 AM, said:

i don't care about kerry. why don't we speculate about something worthwhile...like when is jimmy coming back?

when his white van breaks down.

[RottingApples]

Matteo, on 11 December 2011 - 08:33 AM, said:

i don't care about kerry. why don't we speculate about something worthwhile...like when is jimmy coming back?

When Teargarden ends...

[standing]

i too think the original band will re-form. After tbk, after the boxsets.

[bodhisattva]

Martine Castonguay, on 11 December 2011 - 03:50 AM, said:

Greater? In what? I would like to know what you believe.

I don't believe anything really.

I just like some music.

[ShamanO]

standing, on 11 December 2011 - 10:37 AM, said:

i too think the original band will re-form. After tbk, after the boxsets.

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/hash/5a/07/5a0775676b14ca577ce7d19b352580b3.jpg

wonder if she would need to practice her bass parts after so many years of brushing horses

[Martine Castonguay]

bodhisattva, on 11 December 2011 - 10:59 AM, said:

I don't believe anything really.

I just like some music.

Like crashing down makes great songs? Kind of black clothes in songs? Yes, it is true.

Yet, drama are not necessary to make great songs. I do feel we'll see it in the next album.

[Matteo]

i don't care about kerry. how about we speculate about something worthwhile...like when is jimmy coming back?

[bodhisattva]

Martine Castonguay, on 11 December 2011 - 11:24 AM, said:

Like crashing down makes great songs? Kind of black clothes in songs? Yes, it is true.

Yet, drama are not necessary to make great songs. I do feel we'll see it in the next album.

no wasn't talking about music yet to be made, although chances are many new songs will probably be in the same vein as alot of other SP songs. it's all thru the eyes of WPC. you love you lose, and maybe you get the chance to meet and love again, like you never parted.



why waste time speculating about anything. just enjoy what ya got and if the time comes for changes some can rejoice and others can find a reason to complain.

[thorazine]

im willing to bet whatever amount of $ that the original lineup will NEVER reform. Maybe years down the road at an induction they may play a "one off" show, but dont hold your breath. honestly, ppl..let it go.

[RottingApples]

Matteo, on 11 December 2011 - 12:57 PM, said:

i don't care about kerry. how about we speculate about something worthwhile...like when is jimmy coming back?

We heard you the first time, Matty.

[Simon Belmont]

dudehitscar, on 11 December 2011 - 08:51 AM, said:

when his white van breaks down.

That's it. You've all left me no choice.

 vanshirt.jpg (135.04K)
Number of downloads: 22

[Simon Belmont]

 jimmywhitecurryvan.jpg (42.65K)
Number of downloads: 1



Edit: Sorry, I know I shouldn't be posting these here, delete them if you like...I'll resurrect the old White Van thread.

This post has been edited by Simon Belmont: 11 December 2011 - 04:31 PM

[invertedape]

this sucks