Which tour did you prefer? 2008 (20th Anniversary) or 2011?
Posted 09 January 2012 - 05:16 PM
when I watch the video of Heavy Metal Machine from the Adler on 8-8-08, I feel more emotion, energy and excitement. It doesn't get any better than this for me at a SP concert. I would love them to add this to the upcoming tour!
Just wondering if anyone else felt this way?
Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:30 PM
However, the energy at last years' show was very, very high in NYC. And this year toppled even that in the very same venue. The energy was through the roof, and shot out from the stage, and sifted through the entire crowd before returning to the band ten-fold. While 2008 Pumpkins were very technically sound and insanely tight, Billy's voice lacked heart. This tour, he had it, and you can't deny that they did wonderfully when performing old cuts such as Geek USA, Soma, Window Paine, and Ruby. That, plus the fact that the new songs finally stack up again, much like the songs we might have gotten from the fruits of the 2008 tour. :thumbsup:/>
Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:49 PM
While I really liked the music on the 2008 shows, I think that the energy and overall musicianship was great for the 2011 shows. They were way better. Except not much talking. I wish he could have talked more. But he seemed to be in better spirits.
Posted 10 January 2012 - 09:37 AM
I dont like pissy angry Billy as much (altho I do find it kind of funny when he is like that) The band right now is better to me than in 2008 even tho I have not seen a show, the live performance in your face music and the energy level of the band is much more positive even tho the band is much quieter with banter.
Posted 10 January 2012 - 10:38 AM
now with that said I really enjoyed the zeitgeist tour in 07, and mainly because they changed the set up some from night to night. I went the first 2 nights at phily and the entire show and encore for both nights was awesome.
Basically, I love the standing room only, general admission shows the best, like they been doing the past 2 tours, the vibe is much more energized...
in seated venues, when half the crowd is sitting during songs they don't know like superchrist is a travasty!
Posted 10 January 2012 - 06:43 PM
I am probably in the minority preferring the pissy Billy, but I felt a lot more emotion from him and was generally more entertained by the band in the 2007 and 2008 tours. As for the crowds, all the shows I saw in 07 and 08 had great crowd reactions. All 3 of us who went to Milwaukee in 2011 agreed that the crowd was lame. I saw a lot of them sitting and/or bored looks on their faces. Chicago 2011 was definitely a better crowd.
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 01:50 PM
Thing is, while those were great shows and great setlists, there were plenty of fans who bitched about even that. I'm not talking casual, hits-fans. There were people who complained constantly about the songs differing night to night and how "unfair it was" that they played a song at one show, but didn't play it at the one they went to. Fans complain. Like they did for the setlist last year, like they did for the reissues, like they did for the Teargarden songs, like they did during Spirits in the Sky, like they did when the Subscription was proposed.....
Posted 14 January 2012 - 05:37 PM
i saw them in new york. 2 nights, 2 long concerts, i had front 20 rows in a great venue.
HOWEVER, the crowd wasn't into it, and second night billy had a spat with a fan onstage (not sure if it was preplanned or not) and made a terrible joke about the guy, which in addition to being in bad taste of a sexual nature was particularly badly received as the gig was in an old church!
so the atmosphere was tense and a bit cold for an "anniversary" show. but the setlist, musicianship and theatrics made it pretty great.
Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:30 PM
So yeah, the O2 one so far, but I hope to see them again very soon!
Posted 03 April 2012 - 05:01 PM
Posted 19 May 2012 - 07:50 AM
At both shows, the cleveland setlist lacked a lot of the songs that would later be put in, such as Age of Innocence, Soma, The Aeroplane Flies High, etc.
Posted 19 May 2012 - 10:17 AM
Kills me to this day, as I had always wanted to hear Window, Ruby, Geek, Muzzle, Starla etc. I hope some of them stick around in the set for this go around and from what I've heard, they sounded really tight. I did get to see the current incarnation of the band in '10 in Cleveland at the House of Blues, and they were pretty solid then so I imagine they've improved even greater since. Loved the cuts of Hummer, Orchid, and I even enjoyed the fun Billy and Jeff were having with Astral Planes. Wished I would've seen Eye on that tour. I remember liking the setlist at the time though looking back on it now it seems pretty brutal in comparison to others surrounding it.
But I digress. The 20th Anniversary Tour is pure gold to me. 2 nights, 48 songs, epic fucking experience with setlists to die for, Jimmy, the instruments, and the dark experimental vibe. Everyone always bitches about Billy's attitude during that span. Shut the FUCK up already. First of all, I never particularly got a bad vibe, I just thought it was Billy being Billy, and if he was so bitter he wouldn't have come out back at the venue to shoot the shit at the end of the both nights. He didn't have to do that, and it didn't feel forced.
But let's just say he was being public asshole #1 on this tour. Who cares? Are you paying money for him to be an inspirational speaker? I could really give less of a shit how upset or jerky he may have been. Not only is it kind of funny to me, but all I actually care about is the music. Maybe Billy being pissed off causes him to play with more focus or passion. Maybe he's having a ton of fun acting as he does. We don't know. Why people let the perceived mood of the artist take them out of the performance is beyond me. Billy was 100% engaged with what he was doing, as he has been EVERY time I've seen him, and was on the same page with the rest of the band as well. The fact he interacts with his audience shows that engagement, whether you think he is being positive or negative, genuine or tongue in cheek.
And yes, Everything is Beautiful was completely ridiculous, but in retrospect it was also hilarious.
I still listen to the 20th Anniv. Tour boots on the regular, and imagine I will continue to do so until the end of time. It's going to take one hell of a fucking show(s) to supplant that.