[moonbug]

Can anyone fill me in on what is going on with Teargarden? Is it on hold? And what happened to Everything from Here to There?

I am out of the loop.

[davidp2007]

moonbug, on 23 January 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

Can anyone fill me in on what is going on with Teargarden? Is it on hold? And what happened to Everything from Here to There?

I am out of the loop.

Billy Corgan said that he considers Oceania part of the Teargarden project. That it's an 'album within an album'. Currently they are saying it will be released in Spring of this year.

[RottingApples]

davidp2007, on 23 January 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

Billy Corgan said that he considers Oceania part of the Teargarden project. That it's an 'album within an album'. Currently they are saying it will be released in Spring of this year.

Indeed. And Corgan is currently writing "Everything from Here to There...", and last he mentioned he's shooting for a release sometime late this year.

[ShamanO]

:scatch:/> I thought his book was called God is everywhere from here to there

[RottingApples]

ShamanO, on 23 January 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

:scatch:/> I thought his book was called God is everywhere from here to there

Close enough.

[ShamanO]

yeah, i guess. die hard Billy/SP fans don't know all things Billy/SP related.

[moonbug]

oh wow, an album within a concept album? Is it just me or is that a wee bit convoluted?

[crepe]

we're have you been in the last year or so?

[KingBelteshazzar]

moonbug, on 24 January 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

oh wow, an album within a concept album? Is it just me or is that a wee bit convoluted?

It's because Billy finally realized his one song at a time thing wasn't flying as well as he'd hoped. So they decided to sit down and actually make a group of songs that were meant to go together in flow, and release them all at once - as part of the Teargarden project.

Also - because it's been so well received - it's actually going to be in stores and able to be bought by the masses. In other words, the general public will actually know it exists. So that's not a bad idea.

[davidp2007]

KingBelteshazzar, on 24 January 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

It's because Billy finally realized his one song at a time thing wasn't flying as well as he'd hoped. So they decided to sit down and actually make a group of songs that were meant to go together in flow, and release them all at once - as part of the Teargarden project.

Also - because it's been so well received - it's actually going to be in stores and able to be bought by the masses. In other words, the general public will actually know it exists. So that's not a bad idea.

Right. I think for some artists, I think the single format works well. But I think with a band like SP, it makes more sense to release albums. I was watching an interview he did in November in the UK recently, and he was talking about while some fans knew about Teargarden, some fans simply thought they had gone away.

Yeah it's a definitely a good thing, getting more people the opportunity to hear the music.

[themadcaplaughs]

Make a long story short, while Oceania is technically part of TbK in terms of concept, the idea of Teargarden revolutionizing the way music is released is gone. The main attraction of TbK was to see the album in three perspectives, as individual songs, small collections (the EPs), and eventually the whole album as one.

I do not mind Billy going back to a conventional album format, I think it is how he works best, but to try and continue that this is some sort of extension of TbK is a misnomer.

[KingBelteshazzar]

Uhh...well to me TBK was always about the 44 initial songs....not so much the method of release...

Billy says it's TBK - why isn't that good enough for some people?

[ShamanO]

KingBelteshazzar, on 25 January 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

Uhh...well to me TBK was always about the 44 initial songs....not so much the method of release...

Billy says it's TBK - why isn't that good enough for some people?

^this

I just want my 44 songs. album, ep, whatever...44 please.

[KingBelteshazzar]

yeah. but don't forget the b-sides! I want the b-sides. So...that'll be moar than 44 if we get those... :coy:/>

but yeah, Billy says it's TBK. It fits the theme and it's going to be 13 of the 44. considering that, i don't know why some people insist it's not TBK. TBK changed its release method - but it's still TBK.

[ShamanO]

if he even considers b-sides. his b-sides might just end up as another album and not a b-sides release. who knows. i don't understand things in the music land. *bows out*

[KingBelteshazzar]

well, we know that he's written and probably demoed a lot more songs than the 44. And some of the stuff he's written he's decided won't be on the main 44, it seems. So I imagine it's like MCIS...all the stuff that was recorded for MCIS and was MCIS material but didn't make it ended up either on TAFH or in the archives.

Personally, at this point, I'd say it seems like When The Cocks Crow may not be on the 44 :(/> And who knows where Circular Change is...:(/>

[ShamanO]

yeah, but he could also decide FU I'll make different songs. let those sit in a vault and let the fans bitch for the next X amount of years

[KingBelteshazzar]

yeah but he's not getting any younger. all I know is that some of the best songs are SP b-sides.

[werideatdusk]

I think we'll just have to wait and see what happens after the touring dies down by the end of the year to see if the 'Teargarden' idea is really still active or if the project is over. I could go either way, as long as the band is still making music.

Seems like it won't go away so quick, I say that largely because of this 'art film' that Corgan keeps mentioning as part of the project. Verrry curious about that, myself.

[ShamanO]

does he even care about not getting any younger and releasing things he doesn't want to? :shrug:/>

if he decides to release some cool...if not, that's a bummer. nothing we can do about it.

werideatdusk, on 25 January 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

I think we'll just have to wait and see what happens after the touring dies down by the end of the year to see if the 'Teargarden' idea is really still active or if the project is over. I could go either way, as long as the band is still making music.

Seems like it won't go away so quick, I say that largely because of this 'art film' that Corgan keeps mentioning as part of the project. Verrry curious about that, myself.

I dont recall hearing about an art film. oh wait like recording the whole making of tbk process?

[werideatdusk]

They have shot footage for a making of documentary... http://twitter.com/#...atus/4710917014

The 'art film' is a different project and was also marked for release with the 'big box set'. Will try to dig up some links of BC talking about the art film...

[KingBelteshazzar]

at this point, i think billy has to own up to it. he's half way through the project. he can't quit now. and if he really wants to be done with it, he could whip out some of those dozens of demos he has and flesh them out. Since he already has the framework, i don't think it would have to take too too long. but it would be lame to just abandon the project altogether when you're halfway through it. besides, he wants this to be a success...and he has a lot riding on Oceania. If Oceania is a relative success, which I think it will be...I think the path forward is pretty clear. I doubt it will be like a huge comeback to thrust them into the mainstream again, but maybe it will do better than Zeitgeist at least?

[Bountiful_Wasteland]

I think we'll find out if he's interested in keeping the TbK concept alive when Oceania is ready to be bought or pre-ordered. To me the most important thing about Oceania was that he wanted it to represent a journey, and the 44 songs one at a time was just a novel way of approaching the process that really hadn't been tried before. Then again, lately he's been ambivalent about Oceania's connection to Teargarden.

[Arachnea]

KingBelteshazzar, on 25 January 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

he wants this to be a success...and he has a lot riding on Oceania. If Oceania is a relative success, which I think it will be...I think the path forward is pretty clear. I doubt it will be like a huge comeback to thrust them into the mainstream again, but maybe it will do better than Zeitgeist at least?

Zeitgeist had a lot of promotion behind it, the music might be better this time around but the success also hinges on how well the album will be promoted by the label. Perhaps he will release the songs in the same manner as the SPRC.

werideatdusk, on 25 January 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

They have shot footage for a making of documentary... http://twitter.com/#...atus/4710917014

The 'art film' is a different project and was also marked for release with the 'big box set'. Will try to dig up some links of BC talking about the art film...

That was posted in 2009. Billy always comes up with a lot of ideas that never fully come into fruition. I would throw this one into the pile.

Bountiful_Wasteland, on 25 January 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

Then again, lately he's been ambivalent about Oceania's connection to Teargarden.

That he is. He is prone to changing his mind quickly and often. I would not be shocked to hear him say that the Teargarden project, as it was, is fully dead. Every recent interview I have heard with him seems to hint that he will not pursue it anymore.

[ShamanO]

has anyone been interviewing him lately getting him to talk about Oceania connecting to Teargarden?

[werideatdusk]

I think the chances of Oceania going gold are slim to nil. Doubtful it will come close to selling like Zeitgeist did. The critical question is whether he can get people's respect back, and their belief in his use of the SP name. So if this can win over critics, the hardcore fans, and the more casual or disenfranchised fans, that's the kind of success the band needs.

And, I think Billy wants the casual fans to approach Oceania as its own thing. A major study found out some interesting facts about promoting Oceania as part of TBK:
21% of people don't know what "The garden with kaleidoscopes" is and stare blankly
12% think that sounds like more pretensious prog-rock bull shit and walk away
6% think of "Widow Wake My Mind", shudder, and leave the area
2% check their twitter feeds absent-mindedly
1% sweetly hug their Teargarden box sets to their chest, ask loudly where their physical release of "Lightning Strikes"/"Owata" is, and cornily display the "devil horns"
58% walked away as soon as "Billy Corgan" was mentioned

(proud 1%-er)

[KingBelteshazzar]

lol

[Banana03]

It'd be best if everyone just forgot that Teargarden ever happened.


So awful.

[ItsSoPringles]

ShamanO, on 25 January 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

if he even considers b-sides. his b-sides might just end up as another album and not a b-sides release. who knows. i don't understand things in the music land. *bows out*

i wouldnt mind a B-side album, ecpecially since the best teargarden song was a B-side

Banana03, on 26 January 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

It'd be best if everyone just forgot that Teargarden ever happened.


So awful.

aside from astral planes and wwmm there really isnt anything awful about teargarden, its quite good, could be better but its a solid 8 possibly a low 9 if we just pretend astral planes and wwmm doesnt exist

[KingBelteshazzar]

you gotta look at astral planes and widow wake my mind in a different kind of way to enjoy them...personally, I think they are some of the most energetic songs of the material released so far, and enjoyable to listen to in that sense.

[locusceruleus]

KingBelteshazzar, on 27 January 2012 - 09:55 AM, said:

you gotta look at astral planes and widow wake my mind in a different kind of way to enjoy them.

Agreed. If you're going to have any chance of enjoying them, just look. Don't listen.

[MoonPI]

Banana03, on 26 January 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

It'd be best if everyone just forgot that Teargarden ever happened.


So awful.

I happen to enjoy Teargarden ♥

[ShamanO]

locusceruleus, on 28 January 2012 - 12:45 AM, said:

Agreed. If you're going to have any chance of enjoying them, just look. Don't listen.

lol you made a funny, but I agree with MoonPI I happen to enjoy Teargarden too :)/>

[werideatdusk]

WWMM and Astral Planes will have the last laugh...

[MoonPI]

werideatdusk, on 30 January 2012 - 10:43 AM, said:

WWMM and Astral Planes will have the last laugh...

:thumbsup:/>

[themadcaplaughs]

Quote

has anyone been interviewing him lately getting him to talk about Oceania connecting to Teargarden?

At one of the fan meetups someone asked him about Oceania's connection to TbK and he made some joke about giving up on the tarot idea long ago, and when it was asked if after Oceania we'd get more free releases, he pretty much shrugged his shoulders.

[ThereItGoes]

themadcaplaughs, on 31 January 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

At one of the fan meetups someone asked him about Oceania's connection to TbK and he made some joke about giving up on the tarot idea long ago, and when it was asked if after Oceania we'd get more free releases, he pretty much shrugged his shoulders.

TBK is so 2009......

The Smashing Pumpkins seems to be going through some mid life crisis.

[Deleted User Account]

themadcaplaughs, on 31 January 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

At one of the fan meetups someone asked him about Oceania's connection to TbK and he made some joke about giving up on the tarot idea long ago, and when it was asked if after Oceania we'd get more free releases, he pretty much shrugged his shoulders.

You don't say...

[ShamanO]

themadcaplaughs, on 31 January 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

At one of the fan meetups someone asked him about Oceania's connection to TbK and he made some joke about giving up on the tarot idea long ago, and when it was asked if after Oceania we'd get more free releases, he pretty much shrugged his shoulders.

and this info is just now being said. I swear you people hoard your info like an old lady hoards plastic lids

[Deleted User Account]

How was that not implied as soon as Oceania was released.

*announced

[KingBelteshazzar]

TBK is about the evolution of child-fool-skeptic-mystic.....are those the right 4?

Anyway, I can see those themes easily being a part of Oceania....so...I could see them fitting into TBK. We haven't gotten official word that this isn't part of TBK. The official stance has always been that it is TBK.

[Dontgetangryitsjustagame]

KingBelteshazzar, on 25 January 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

Uhh...well to me TBK was always about the 44 initial songs....not so much the method of release...

Billy says it's TBK - why isn't that good enough for some people?

I like to refer to Gish, Pisces Iscariot, and the second disc of MCIS as a collective album called "Billy's Funtime Orgy". Sure, they have nothing to do with each other, but is that not good enough for you?

[KingBelteshazzar]

that made no sense mr. snarkypants.

[Deleted User Account]

Neither does TGBK after the release schedule went tits up, bro.