[hello_juliana]

"I CAN'T WAIT TWO MORE MONTHS! I AM GONNA RIP MY HAIR OUT AND JUMP OFF A CLIFF!!!!"


Go outside people.

[Raoul]

 hello_juliana, on 21 March 2012 - 05:59 AM, said:

"I CAN'T WAIT TWO MORE MONTHS! I AM GONNA RIP MY HAIR OUT AND JUMP OFF A CLIFF!!!!"


Go outside people.

It's not the waiting that upsets people ( although it doesn't add to the "fun). It's the self destructive, arrogant, pretentious bullshit he feels the need to talk while we wait, that ultimately hurts the band and the album. We are all fans wanting to see the band be successful again, but as long as he does shit like this - it's not going to happen. He is wasting everyones time, including his band mates who have all supported him so exceptionally well while he "worked out" what he wanted to do. I actually just think the new band and all these loyal fans deserve for Billy to give this album the best chance possible to be successful, popular and judged on its own merits. All this other bullshit he talks makes it impossible for that to happen.

And just on the waiting also , i think the fans have good reason to be sick of it. The continual cycle of announcements of announcements about waiting for another announcement that eventually lets to how long we need to wait.... before we find out there is just another announcement to advise we will need to wait a bit longer. FFS, fans pre-ordered the re-issues off his website and ended up waiting a month AFTER the release date before they arrived. He then announces there will be a gift to apologise to fans for the fuck, and 5 months later they are still waiting for the announcement of what or when this gift is expected. Its a massive joke how he plays his fans like fucking puppets and idiots. Then he wonders why they wont support him with every idea he mentions. it really is quite farcical

[hello_juliana]

 Raoul, on 21 March 2012 - 06:07 AM, said:

It's not the waiting that upsets people ( although it doesn't add to the "fun). It's the self destructive, arrogant, pretentious bullshit he feels the need to talk while we wait, that ultimately hurts the band and the album. We are all fans wanting to see the band be successful again, but as long as he does shit like this - it's not going to happen. He is wasting everyones time, including his band mates who have all supported him so exceptionally well while he "worked out" what he wanted to do. I actually just think the new band and all these loyal fans deserve for Billy to give this album the best chance possible to be successful, popular and judged on its own merits. All this other bullshit he talks makes it impossible for that to happen.

And just on the waiting also , i think the fans have good reason to be sick of it. The continual cycle of announcements of announcements about waiting for another announcement that eventually lets to how long we need to wait.... before we find out there is just another announcement to advise we will need to wait a bit longer. FFS, fans pre-ordered the re-issues off his website and ended up waiting a month AFTER the release date before they arrived. He then announces there will be a gift to apologise to fans for the fuck, and 5 months later they are still waiting for the announcement of what or when this gift is expected. Its a massive joke how he plays his fans like fucking puppets and idiots. Then he wonders why they wont support him with every idea he mentions. it really is quite farcical

Usually if you want someone or something to change you ask for what you want and not complain about what you got.

I do agree that the shippment on the website was detrimental, however why do you blame bc? Do you think he personally wanted people to get their albums late?

I think the announcements of the announcements were the wrong way to go as well. However, I see a change in that they report only things that are final. This will make it take longer.

I don't understand the dislike of Billy's ranting because he has always done that. I don't understand why you liked him in the first place. Also, I don't think his recent rants made him look bad, the only negativity I am reading about it come from hardcore fans.

What bothers me most is how people here think they know better or think they could have done it better but their solutions are always ridiculous. One year is not a long time to wait for an album... In the past we waited two or more.

I also think it is hypocritical to rant about BC ranting and saying that his behaviors is bad for the band. Isn't your behavior also bad for the band.

If you want things to be better you have to be positive and proactive. I am not saying you blindly agree. But you have to stop complaining and start asking for what you want.

If you all want a status update on the gift they promised tweet them and ask for some info if it is still happening. Ask what improvements have been made since.

For me, I want the new album and I want to see them live this year. I am excited to hear about the stage design. The whole experience thing is cool and will be interesting to see. But if it doesn't blow me away it won't bother me. If non current fans love it that's great. If they don't oh we'll.

All I just don't get the intense aggravation. Talk about first world problems.

[Gr3g3]

 Raoul, on 21 March 2012 - 06:07 AM, said:

It's not the waiting that upsets people ( although it doesn't add to the "fun). It's the self destructive, arrogant, pretentious bullshit he feels the need to talk while we wait, that ultimately hurts the band and the album. We are all fans wanting to see the band be successful again, but as long as he does shit like this - it's not going to happen. He is wasting everyones time, including his band mates who have all supported him so exceptionally well while he "worked out" what he wanted to do. I actually just think the new band and all these loyal fans deserve for Billy to give this album the best chance possible to be successful, popular and judged on its own merits. All this other bullshit he talks makes it impossible for that to happen.

And just on the waiting also , i think the fans have good reason to be sick of it. The continual cycle of announcements of announcements about waiting for another announcement that eventually lets to how long we need to wait.... before we find out there is just another announcement to advise we will need to wait a bit longer. FFS, fans pre-ordered the re-issues off his website and ended up waiting a month AFTER the release date before they arrived. He then announces there will be a gift to apologise to fans for the fuck, and 5 months later they are still waiting for the announcement of what or when this gift is expected. Its a massive joke how he plays his fans like fucking puppets and idiots. Then he wonders why they wont support him with every idea he mentions. it really is quite farcical

[hello_juliana]

 Gr3g3, on 21 March 2012 - 06:49 AM, said:

Exactly, chill out yo!

[Deleted User Account]

Different covers is one thing (re: Arcade Fire), but Zeitgeist's different incarnations offered different songs. So people who aren't collectors, or don't have the money/time to be, felt ripped off. With Suburbs it was more like, you go to your local record shop and buy the cover that is most appealing to you aesthetically. They're just different ballparks.

I also don't think Billy is entirely right about him establishing the Radiohead model before them... this has been well covered, but there is a difference between leaking out a bootleg, and offering a model by which to potentially make money. re: Fernando stating Radiohead's model would not be profitable to the new band, I absolutely agree. But neither would Billy's. Billy's model was never meant to make money or offer an alt. to the record industry though (Machina 2). Very cool of him to do, for sure, but not revolutionary.

I also don't understand him talking about people with one song. One hit wonders have been around much, much longer than SP. There will always be bands with sustained success, and those who rise and fall very quickly.

[Deleted User Account]

Usually if you want someone or something to change you ask for what you want and not complain about what you got.
--Most people want a return to the old Pumpkins sound. Asking for it doesn't help facilitate that change.

I do agree that the shippment on the website was detrimental, however why do you blame bc? Do you think he personally wanted people to get their albums late?
--As Billy chose that company, and has given them the responsibility of representing the SP brand, than yes.

I think the announcements of the announcements were the wrong way to go as well. However, I see a change in that they report only things that are final. This will make it take longer.
--I don't.

I don't understand the dislike of Billy's ranting because he has always done that. I don't understand why you liked him in the first place. Also, I don't think his recent rants made him look bad, the only negativity I am reading about it come from hardcore fans.
--His recent rants, quite honestly, sound like a frustrated man who's willing to blame everything, and one, except himself for the state of his career.

What bothers me most is how people here think they know better or think they could have done it better but their solutions are always ridiculous. One year is not a long time to wait for an album... In the past we waited two or more.
--It will have been four and a half years since Zeitgeist if you want to get technical about albums.

I also think it is hypocritical to rant about BC ranting and saying that his behaviors is bad for the band. Isn't your behavior also bad for the band.
--How is his/her behaviour bad for the bad? They are a consumer complaining/venting about the product. Billy doesn't owe the fans a thing, and we don't owe him a thing. That's a two way street.

If you want things to be better you have to be positive and proactive. I am not saying you blindly agree. But you have to stop complaining and start asking for what you want.
--???

If you all want a status update on the gift they promised tweet them and ask for some info if it is still happening. Ask what improvements have been made since.

For me, I want the new album and I want to see them live this year. I am excited to hear about the stage design. The whole experience thing is cool and will be interesting to see. But if it doesn't blow me away it won't bother me. If non current fans love it that's great. If they don't oh we'll.

All I just don't get the intense aggravation. Talk about first world problems.
--You care enough to reply. Because we're all doing the same thing. Wasting time out of boredom/interest whatever.

[Dusty]

But he isn't killing himself over it.

[Lunatic]

Cool story, Bimbly.

[Deleted User Account]

This thread needed some real talk.

[Raoul]

 hello_juliana, on 21 March 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

Usually if you want someone or something to change you ask for what you want and not complain about what you got.

I do agree that the shippment on the website was detrimental, however why do you blame bc? Do you think he personally wanted people to get their albums late?

I think the announcements of the announcements were the wrong way to go as well. However, I see a change in that they report only things that are final. This will make it take longer.

I don't understand the dislike of Billy's ranting because he has always done that. I don't understand why you liked him in the first place. Also, I don't think his recent rants made him look bad, the only negativity I am reading about it come from hardcore fans.

What bothers me most is how people here think they know better or think they could have done it better but their solutions are always ridiculous. One year is not a long time to wait for an album... In the past we waited two or more.

I also think it is hypocritical to rant about BC ranting and saying that his behaviors is bad for the band. Isn't your behavior also bad for the band.

If you want things to be better you have to be positive and proactive. I am not saying you blindly agree. But you have to stop complaining and start asking for what you want.

If you all want a status update on the gift they promised tweet them and ask for some info if it is still happening. Ask what improvements have been made since.

For me, I want the new album and I want to see them live this year. I am excited to hear about the stage design. The whole experience thing is cool and will be interesting to see. But if it doesn't blow me away it won't bother me. If non current fans love it that's great. If they don't oh we'll.

All I just don't get the intense aggravation. Talk about first world problems.

Someones already done a pretty good job at defending me on this so i'll just fill the gaps

All I just don't get the intense aggravation. Talk about first world problems.

Who says i don't? This is nor the time or place for me to start talking about the cesspool of greed and filth this world has become. My venting at Billy can stem at these issues as we used to live in a world where our artist gave us hope against all this shit - these days most of them ignore it all or just complain about their fans not supporting them enough.


I also think it is hypocritical to rant about BC ranting and saying that his behaviors is bad for the band. Isn't your behavior also bad for the band.
Its not my band. Billy has alwats made it quite clear its his and god knows no one would ever attempt to take claim to it - not even the fans are allowed to feel like that about it

I don't understand the dislike of Billy's ranting because he has always done that. I don't understand why you liked him in the first place. Also, I don't think his recent rants made him look bad, the only negativity I am reading about it come from hardcore fans.
The reason being is i thought he had actually grown up - learned a lot of hard lessons about this behaviour - become humble - and was ready to become all about the music. To see him being such a dickhead is a big disappointment - he hasn't changed - he is the same dickhead at 43 than he was at 29. You say his comments have not made him look bad and only the the hardcore seem to complain - well "sweet cheeks" the reason for this is because no else cares about what Billy Corgan says besides the fans he owe nothing to.

[soniclovenoize]

 hello_juliana, on 21 March 2012 - 05:59 AM, said:

"I CAN'T WAIT TWO MORE MONTHS! I AM GONNA RIP MY HAIR OUT AND JUMP OFF A CLIFF!!!!"


Go outside people.

*not posted from a Blackberry

[Arachnea]

New short interview with Billy. You can download it or hear it online. It starts at around the 2:18:00 mark.

http://espn.go.com/c...hive?id=3095454

He does not really say anything new in terms of music. He just clarifies some of his comments made at sxsw and how he views success in music. Lots of sports talk, of course.

[ShamanO]

and yet he called them poseurs

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Billy Corgan joined Waddle & Silvy again on ESPN at 2 hours and 18 minutes.

They talk about food at the first but then move on to talking about singing in a Mike Ditka accent. Billy then talks about the cost of having string players and the cost.

Billy named the Beatles, Black Sabbath and Kiss as bands he is listening to now. He then clarifies that he thinks musicians today have some of the best talent today but no program to help them succeed.

Billy sees success for him today as being looked at for his entire career.

They then talk about Resistance Pro show at the Excalibur. He also mention that he is opening up the Tea Shop

They end by talking the Bulls and Derrick Rose. Billy says he doesn’t think that the Bulls can right now beat the Heat this year.

Thanks Arachnea on the Smashing Pumpkins Official Message Board for the heads up.

[Arachnea]

 ShamanO, on 23 March 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

and yet he called them poseurs

Yes, it does not make sense. I think he is now trying to calm the backlash he has been getting for some of those comments.

[ShamanO]

tsk tsk...

[lemonscure]

I think he meant that those musicians, bands, who create art with their instruments are not in mainstream, playing in local clubs or something, while there are some pupular bands, who play shit, and thus succeed by being popular (it seems that popularity is what Billy considers a success).

[ShamanO]

well maybe he should be a little more specific as to what he means. :shrug:/> oh well, not my problem.

This post has been edited by ShamanO: 23 March 2012 - 12:53 PM

[MonteLDS]

you can be musically talented and yet still be a poseur. Or is that how impossible?

[ShamanO]

 MonteLDS, on 23 March 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

you can be musically talented and yet still be a poseur. Or is that how impossible?

maybe, try calling Billy a poseur 1st and see where that leads you ;)/>

[MonteLDS]

 ShamanO, on 23 March 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

maybe, try calling Billy a poseur 1st and see where that leads you ;)/>

What does that have to do with the question of can you be musically talented and yet still be a poseur?

ya maybe someone wouldn't like to hear that but i am sure it can happen. But this isn't an exact science people. They are just opinions.

[ShamanO]

Define what's a poseur is in your opinion.

[MonteLDS]

 ShamanO, on 23 March 2012 - 01:05 PM, said:

Define what's a poseur is in your opinion.

why are we talking about me. isn't this about what Billy consider a poseur to be?

[pastup]

a poseur or poser is someone pretending to be something that they aren't. Like pretending to be punk rock but is actually a rich kid from the suburbs who thinks mohawks look cool. Or pretending to be rock n roll but more interested in the fame and hollywood parties and high fashion than the music.
Or people who can't actually play their instruments but it's possible to be talented but still pose as something you're not. Conforming to an image that you can market and sell.

[MonteLDS]

 pastup, on 23 March 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

it's possible to be talented but still pose as something you're not. Conforming to an image that you can market and sell.

BINGO!

[Arachnea]

Some recent comments from Billy:

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"I'm shocked by the lack of evolution in alternative rock music," he told me backstage after his Interactive panel with author Brian Solis on Monday. "Let me put it this way: I should not be here to the level that I still I am. If the music out there was that fucking great, where is someone crushing me on the numbers? They're not. Our generation crushed a lot of bands right out the fucking door. And they had to sit on the sidelines for 20 fucking years until people got nostalgic and brought that stuff back."

“In my 25 years of playing in music, I’ve seen where rock ‘n’ roll has really been codified in a really lame way. It’s ruled by a bunch of nerds with laptops,” he says. “So I’ve been attracted to wrestling more in the last 10-plus years because it still gives me that feeling of anything can happen, where in my business, it’s f- - -ing boring.”

It does not sound like Billy thinks that this generation is talented more than ever, at least not to me. I think that he is too often preoccupied with his own definition of success and fame.

[MonteLDS]

 Arachnea, on 23 March 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

he is too often preoccupied with his own definition of success and fame.

which is to look at a whole career worth of work rather then the moment where you were so big that grandma knew who you were.

[hello_juliana]

 MonteLDS, on 23 March 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

What does that have to do with the question of can you be musically talented and yet still be a poseur?

ya maybe someone wouldn't like to hear that but i am sure it can happen. But this isn't an exact science people. They are just opinions.

Being a poseur has nothing to do with their musical talent I think. Good question.

 MonteLDS, on 23 March 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

which is to look at a whole career worth of work rather then the moment where you were so big that grandma knew who you were.

I really like that definition of success. I can understand why someone would belittle him for that. To some he can do no right. I don't understand why they follow this band or post on this board.

[Deleted User Account]

"Poseur" is such a nebulous and subjective thing, though. Billy said rock music was dumb, and I'm paraphrasing, but like, "too dumb for them [Pumpkins]". Yet he persists in playing rock. Does that mean he's a poseur for continuing to rock?

[Raoul]

Ok so now we are trying to to divert the quote by arguing that it as misheard? And does anyone actually think that if he was just saying " Oh no, i;m not saying they are not talented - its just they are trying to pretend to be something they are not!!! I'm not being rude!!! " Seriously, is that meant to be less offensive??

I think the Kills are who they look to be. I think Jack White and all his bands are what they look to be. I think Future of The Left is who they look to be. I think Wooden Shjips is who they look to be. I think Arcade Fire is who they look to be . I DEFINITELY think the Black Keys are who they look to be. Who specifically is he saying is a poser in the current scene, and how specifically is this any different to the 90's? The 90's proved to be chock full of posers. Scott Weiland - MASSIVE fucking poser, anyone hear his Christmas album or seen the STP's recenlty - *vomit*. Perry Farrell has his own fucking reality tv show with his wife. Billy wants to be a judge on Americas got talent or whatever that junk is called. There are not too many acts from the 90's that ultimately didn't seem to be posing in one was or another as time ticked on. Its the whole looking back with Rose Colored glasses thing, everything seems so much more important to Billy for the 90's than it actually was - because he was involved. The 90's changed shit, and today is a result of this. Todays product is a direct result of the 90's failure - and the fact that 20 years after the 90s bands are still choosing to mimick the bigger bands of the 60's before mimicking the big bands of the 90's says a hell of a lot about what that generation proved and achieved. not a lot, yet is posed like it did and knobs like Billy are still trying to beat their chest about it,

So if we are going to break down the meaning of "Poser", lets first all refer to our Urban Dictionary for the below breakdown of what todays youth thinks it means....

1. posers
A poser is someone who tries to fit into a profile they aren't. People who try to give off the impression that they are one thing when they are really another.
Also, a poser can be one who says they can do something that they can't.
[b]Or more commonly, a poser is someone who, when doing something successfully, takes more than enough credit for it.[/b]

Now lets refer to our more traditional


poser
n 1: a person who habitually pretends to be something he is not
[syn: poseur]
2: a person who poses for a photographer or painter or
sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so
the artist worked from photos" [syn: model]
3: a particularly difficult or baffling question or problem
[syn: stumper, toughie, sticker]

I think the highlighted about reminds me more of Billy than anyone today - especially in the eyes of what the world means for todays urban generation, especially the underlined statement.

When looking at the more traditional term - one must wonder - is Nicole, Jeff, Mike & Billy just posing to be something they are not - The Smashing Pumpkins?

Don't get me wrong - i think the 4 make a great band, but still - if being a poser is the worst thing in the world, why the need for them to be forced to pose as the Smashing Pumpkins? The Smashing Pumpkins proved themselves in the 90's as James, Jimmy, D'arcy & Billy. It don't matter if they are Billy's songs - they proved themselves with that band. This new band is fantastic and i have the faith in them, but why the need for the new guys to live in the daunting shadow of Billy's Pumpkin past? Whats the need or point for them to pose as something they are not?

My personal opinion is mine, but here it is. If Billy want;s to prove he is not a poser - he should announce the Oceania's release date - and upon its release have the album bearing the name " Teargarden By Kaleidyscope" - simultanteously announcing that he believes that this band has surpassed anything the Pumpkins could have been today, and deserve to be recognized on its own merits. The Smashing Pumpkins. Live, succeed, failed and dies a very honorable death and their is no reason for it to continue. He coyuld make it clear that the "TBK" band will also play songs that he feels are relevant to the bands development that were released through the SP's ( as their birth came through playing Sp songs, this would be completely legit and true ). The whole point was for TK to be this very organic and honest progression of a band learning how to become a real band and finding its place. Well, despite some disappointments i think that has happened and if Oceania is as good as Billy seems to think - why not use it to be the platform for this current band to be its own, not a remake of his old. It will gain more publicity than just releasing it under the Pumpkins, it would be a fair reflection on the current bands talent and genuine worth - and it will also make the whole TBK process something incredible, unique and reviewed. I also think it will, in its own way, prove an appropriate funeral to the pumpkins, with this great new band born organically from its ashes and rising like a phoenix to live its own life - always connected to the birth from its previousl death - but its own independent soul.

Thats art, not posing. Wheeling the Pumpkins name around while trying to comment about the "current poser's" is just hypocritical.

[Arachnea]

 MonteLDS, on 23 March 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

which is to look at a whole career worth of work rather then the moment where you were so big that grandma knew who you were.

Billy's definition revolves around mainstream success and worldwide fame. He has made that abundantly clear with the examples he has used. Furthermore, you cannot apply that logic, of looking at a whole career, when examining current young bands and artists. It is still a numbers game to him. I quote, "If the music out there was that fucking great, where is someone crushing me on the numbers?"

Regardless, to clarify, I feel that Billy does not accept that his definition of success and fame is not necessarily everyone else's, or this generations, definition of it.

[Deleted User Account]

Of course it's hypothetical, but does Corgan really think if he were born 20 years later he'd be topping the charts and earning millz? Part of his success is down to luck and circumstance.

[pastup]

 Arachnea, on 23 March 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Billy's definition revolves around mainstream success and worldwide fame.

But in the interview that you posted earlier he clearly said that success to him now is more about his legacy and standing apart from bands that just got lucky with one or two hits. He said when they were younger the idea of success was to be noticed and then to sell alot of albums but now it's more about his body of work as a whole.

[Arachnea]

 pastup, on 23 March 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

But in the interview that you posted earlier he clearly said that success to him now is more about his legacy and standing apart from bands that just got lucky with one or two hits. He said when they were younger the idea of success was to be noticed and then to sell alot of albums but now it's more about his body of work as a whole.

He also said that he thinks this generation is more talented than ever, yet other comments from him just a week ago contradict that statement.

I think Billy just says things without really thinking about them, to be honest. His intentions may be good but his message does not get across with the way he addresses them. There are way too many contradictions when he speaks, which leads me to believe that he is not clear on the issues or even his own stance on them.

[pastup]

 Arachnea, on 23 March 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

He also said that he thinks this generation is more talented than ever, yet other comments from him just a week ago contradict that statement.

I didn't really take his earlier comments to mean that there was no talent around. I think he was trying to clarify that today by explaining it a little more in depth. He said that there was no system in place for talented kids to flourish nowadays like there was when he was up and coming. Perhaps he got some flack on twitter and FB etc... for insinuating that there aren't any talented bands around. I know he realizes that there are good bands but he thinks they should be more well known than they are. Competing with the Biebers of the world as "artists."

but yet he also said that when he asked a kid who his favorite band was and the kid said Zeppelin he thought, "I shouldn't have even ever heard of your favorite band" or something to that effect.
So yeah he wants a band who's unknown and good to become well known. :scatch:/>

wouldn't it be nice if Billy could clarify and respond to this stuff directly instead of us trying to read his mind?

[Arachnea]

 pastup, on 23 March 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

I didn't really take his earlier comments to mean that there was no talent around. I think he was trying to clarify that today by explaining it a little more in depth. He said that there was no system in place for talented kids to flourish nowadays like there was when he was up and coming. Perhaps he got some flack on twitter and FB etc... for insinuating that there aren't any talented bands around. I know he realizes that there are good bands but he thinks they should be more well known than they are. Competing with the Biebers of the world as "artists."

but yet he also said that when he asked a kid who his favorite band was and the kid said Zeppelin he thought, "I shouldn't have even ever heard of your favorite band" or something to that effect.
So yeah he wants a band who's unknown and good to become well known. :scatch:/>

wouldn't it be nice if Billy could clarify and respond to this stuff directly instead of us trying to read his mind?

Precisely. Many of his comments appear contradictory which is what leaves me baffled. It is difficult to defend when he often contradicts his own points and is not clear from the get-go.

And, yes, that would be ideal or at least have a member of the press ask him for clarification on the subject.

[pastup]

 Arachnea, on 23 March 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

I think Billy just says things without really thinking about them, to be honest. His intentions may be good but his message does not get across with the way he addresses them.

Have you ever heard the saying or quote, "don't believe everything you think"?
I think Billy thinks about what he's saying but he never second guesses himself which ends up with him putting his foot in his mouth often. I think he believes self doubt to be a bad thing because it can paralyze you into not saying anything at all out of fear of saying something wrong so he just says whatever he wants with no fear that it will be wrong or misinterpreted or taken out of context. I also think his intentions are good but what he wants to say and explain is often not exactly what comes out of his mouth.

[Arachnea]

 pastup, on 23 March 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

Have you ever heard the saying or quote, "don't believe everything you think"?
I think Billy thinks about what he's saying but he never second guesses himself which ends up with him putting his foot in his mouth often. I think he believes self doubt to be a bad thing because it can paralyze you into not saying anything at all out of fear of saying something wrong so he just says whatever he wants with no fear that it will be wrong or misinterpreted or taken out of context. I also think his intentions are good but what he wants to say and explain is often not exactly what comes out of his mouth.

That is what meant to convey with my post. 'Foot in mouth' is a good way to put it.

[Raoul]

 Arachnea, on 23 March 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

That is what meant to convey with my post. 'Foot in mouth' is a good way to put it.

Yes "foot in mouth" is a much more elegant way to put it than "fist in ass"

[hello_juliana]

If you had youtubes if all the crap you said for over 20 years you would see you are a hypocrit.

The reality is people change their mind. It is common sense. Why is it so hard to understand that he might not think the same way he did in the past.

Why are you guys so quick to break his balls WITHOUT THINKING IT THROUGH???

Your are hypocrits too. We all are, it is human nature.

[RottingApples]

I find his repeated comments on putting down the "Laptop-driven" music/ method of current musicians to be uncalled for and offensive. Yes, there are plenty of those electro/ dub-y music made by people fucking around in Garageband, but the tools that are available to people today, the quality they can achieve, and at a fraction of the cost of a studio have allowed countless bands/ musicians the opportunity to create and preserve music that was not available in any generation beyond 5-6 years ago. How many great bands that existed in the past we will never hear because they did not get lucky/ have the funds/ whatever to get signed or go into a studio to record. Now it's available to everyone, (yes, including the bad and untalented), but also definitely including all the talented musicians out there as well. I'd imagine Billy himself would have been one of the "laptop musicians" in the 80s had the tools been around back then. What's to be ashamed of making great music with/on/through your computer? I think it's a bullshit putdown.

[ShamanO]

what sucks is when someone tries to say "hey listen to my music I'm so good" and really it is a pile of shit and you feel like you wasted your time listening to it, you dont ever want to hear anything from them again and you know they won't ever make it anywhere beyond 2 fans-unless those 2 fans are just being "nice"

[RottingApples]

 ShamanO, on 24 March 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

what sucks is when someone tries to say "hey listen to my music I'm so good" and really it is a pile of shit and you feel like you wasted your time listening to it, you dont ever want to hear anything from them again and you know they won't ever make it anywhere beyond 2 fans-unless those 2 fans are just being "nice"

So because you personally feel they aren't talented, they should be discouraged from pursuing a permanent record of something original that they created? Even if you or anyone else doesn't like it, it's still a hugely important resource for the individual who created it.

Sure, there are plenty of people out there who aren't talented, and the availability of recording equipment/ programs allows more of that to enter the listening stage, but I'd argue there are just as many people who are talented, and for whom having the technology to do it themselves has been a huge gift, both for themselves and for others.

Plus, you had that "'hey listen to my music I'm so good' and really it's a pile of shit" with tapes and CDs too. That's just the problem with having friends that aren't very good musicians.

[ShamanO]

in regards to when it seems like they just learned how to barely strum a guitar, attempt to sing, and add drums that can't even flow with the songs what so ever, yes. that's what I'm referring to.