[BlueSkiesBringTears]

Doesn't look like anyone's posted about this yet ... but if I missed it, mods, I totally expect and would want you to delete this thing. :)/>

Alex Jones announced on his radio show today that an hour-long interview with Billy, taped last Thursday, will be airing tomorrow night on Jones' Internet TV show, the Nightly News, at prisonplanet.tv (at 7:00 PM Central, 8:00 PM Eastern, etc.)

To watch the initial broadcast, you'd have to have a PrisonPlanet subscription. But fear not ... probably by the next day, the whole thing will be posted on TheAlexJonesChannel on YouTube.

I'm pretty excited about this. Jones aired an interview with Dave Mustaine of Pantera a couple weeks ago, and it was totally bullshit-free, Jones and Mustiane relating to each other as real people.

But for those of you get all pissed off whenever Billy talks about chemtrails and other conspiracy subjects, you might want to avoid this one. :D/>

As posted below by BSBT, the interview was moved to Monday March 25th. -Simon

[Bulletproofmask]

Oh jeez, this is going to be totally batshit.

[dudehitscar]

Alex jones is one of the worst conspiracy loons out there. This ought to be hilariously bad... I'm just glad I stopped relating to billy as a person a decade ago otherwise this would probably devastate me.

[pastup]

 BlueSkiesBringTears, on 21 March 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

I'm pretty excited about this. Jones aired an interview with Dave Mustaine of Pantera a couple weeks ago, and it was totally bullshit-free, Jones and Mustiane relating to each other as real people.

Dave Mustaine is in Megadeth. Not Pantera.

[BlueSkiesBringTears]

 pastup, on 21 March 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

Dave Mustaine is in Megadeth. Not Pantera.

Whoops. You can tell I'm not a metalhead.

[Inertia]

It would be pretty entertaining if they argued against each other over something. Otherwise, it'll probably just be boring.

[BlueSkiesBringTears]

Here's the Mustaine interview, to get a sense of how Billy's might be handled:



It's far more focused on the music than you'd expect. I have a feeling Billy's might go more into conspiracy stuff, though. ;)/>

[BlueSkiesBringTears]

Alex's show from today hasn't been posted on YouTube yet, so the best I can do is a transcript of the announcement of the Billy interview:

“Billy Corgan. Tomorrow night. Hour-plus in-studio video I did with him, what? … last Thursday. Billy Corgan, of course, of The Smashing Pumpkins, but also [a] prolific songwriter … one of the most successful in the last 50 years. That’s … he’s not really known for that, but that’s, that’s the facts. Amazing political mind. He was in-studio with us. That’s gonna premiere tomorrow evening, 7:00 Central, 8:00 Eastern, prisonplanet.tv. And it’s great to have people like Dave Mustaine reach out and want to come to town and be interviewed. And when Billy Corgan was in town … through Mancow, learned that he wanted to talk and that he was a listener -- really flattered, he’s been listening for five or six years. Really intelligent fellow. Kind of a whiz-kid growing up, and, and, and a Renaissance Man throughout his life. His great girlfriend, who I had a chance to meet, who, of course, is one of the twin singers of the Veronicas, another, you know, big mega-band in it’s own right … because … it, it, it … again, it just lets you know how many people are awake, if prominent people are coming out of the woodwork. And when I say, ‘Out of the woodwork’ -- people like Billy Corgan and Dave Mustaine have the courage to come on this show. Some people have courage, but …” [subject changes away from Billy being on tomorrow night]

(Don’t ask me about the “of the past 50 years” thing or the Veronicas being “a big mega-band” -- I’m not the one who said it!) :D/>

[Arachnea]

:lol:/>

What was that? It reads like he was drunk. At the very least this will provide quite a few laughs.

[beep beep]

the light shall be brought

[BlueSkiesBringTears]

 Arachnea, on 21 March 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

:lol:/>

What was that? It reads like he was drunk.

Speech isn't always flattered when its transcribed. (And I left out several "uh"'s, ha!) ;)/>

[Arachnea]

 BlueSkiesBringTears, on 21 March 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

Speech isn't always flattered when its transcribed. (And I left out several "uh"'s, ha!) ;)/>

You probably made him sound better than he really did ;)/>

It was not so much the speech but the random and very questionable things he said, and at certain points he just trails off without completing his thought and starts an unrelated new one. I can only imagine how this interview will turn out.

[breathesgelatin]

 BlueSkiesBringTears, on 21 March 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

Alex's show from today hasn't been posted on YouTube yet, so the best I can do is a transcript of the announcement of the Billy interview:

“Billy Corgan. Tomorrow night. Hour-plus in-studio video I did with him, what? … last Thursday. Billy Corgan, of course, of The Smashing Pumpkins, but also [a] prolific songwriter … one of the most successful in the last 50 years. That’s … he’s not really known for that, but that’s, that’s the facts. Amazing political mind. He was in-studio with us. That’s gonna premiere tomorrow evening, 7:00 Central, 8:00 Eastern, prisonplanet.tv. And it’s great to have people like Dave Mustaine reach out and want to come to town and be interviewed. And when Billy Corgan was in town … through Mancow, learned that he wanted to talk and that he was a listener -- really flattered, he’s been listening for five or six years. Really intelligent fellow. Kind of a whiz-kid growing up, and, and, and a Renaissance Man throughout his life. His great girlfriend, who I had a chance to meet, who, of course, is one of the twin singers of the Veronicas, another, you know, big mega-band in it’s own right … because … it, it, it … again, it just lets you know how many people are awake, if prominent people are coming out of the woodwork. And when I say, ‘Out of the woodwork’ -- people like Billy Corgan and Dave Mustaine have the courage to come on this show. Some people have courage, but …” [subject changes away from Billy being on tomorrow night]

(Don’t ask me about the “of the past 50 years” thing or the Veronicas being “a big mega-band” -- I’m not the one who said it!) :D/>

It looks like the show is up now. Can you give me an idea of when Alex said this on the show? I can't listen to the whole 3 hours.

[BlueSkiesBringTears]

 breathesgelatin, on 21 March 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

It looks like the show is up now. Can you give me an idea of when Alex said this on the show? I can't listen to the whole 3 hours.

At about 33 minutes in.

[breathesgelatin]

 BlueSkiesBringTears, on 21 March 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

At about 33 minutes in.

Cool.

[_________]

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH. Blah. Jones doesn't always just have fellow conspiracy theorists on. He's had Ron Paul and Noam Chomsky on before, I think (whatever you think of those people, they aren't as crazy or insane as Jones). I don't listen to him, but I've seen the YouTube titles.

[Fuzzy]

I cant wait for this. I fucking love Alex Jones... The guys great... He can be hilarious and over the top but a lot of his knowledge and research is bar none... Its really cool that Billy agreed to appear on his show!

[ShamanO]

conspiracies are interesting, shutting them completely down is having a closed mind. Looking forward to this!

[V_____]

 Libertine, on 21 March 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH. Blah. Jones doesn't always just have fellow conspiracy theorists on. He's had Ron Paul and Noam Chomsky on before, I think (whatever you think of those people, they aren't as crazy or insane as Jones). I don't listen to him, but I've seen the YouTube titles.

Chompsky is a different story, but how is Ron Paul not a conspiracy theorist. I mean, he's no Alex Jones or George Noory or something, but that dude is incredibly paranoid.

[EasyCake]

Speaking of Chomsky, he's just as well known for his scientific work as his political arguments. And he had some interesting things to say bout the 9/11 conspiracy loons:



Chomsky describes the attitude people like Alex Jones and Billy take quite accurately; you spend a few hours on the internet and all of a sudden you have a PHD in Physics and Engineering.

I also love his comment "If you don't understand what an explanation is, a collection of factoids is an explanation". Whenever you meet someone who is trying to make you believe is one of these conspiracies all they do is run off a check list of factoids.

[standing]

can someone let us know when this is up on youtube? prisonplanet has a 15day free trial, but I dont wanna really enter my credit card info.

[BlueSkiesBringTears]

UPDATE: Alex just announced that the interview's being moved to Monday.

In short, he said that he discovered this morning that the interview had been reported on/announced various places online (starting with yours truly ... and from there, looks like HipstersUnited picked it up. Thanks, guy! ;)/> ). That made him realize that he'd promoted the heck out of the Mustaine interview, with trailers airing during the Nightly News regularly for a couple weeks beforehand, and that it's "disrespectful" to not accord Billy the same.

So, a trailer will debut tonight during the Nightly News, and, again, the interview has been rescheduled to Monday.

...so now I have to wait almost five more days for it, and it's my own damn fault! :D/>

(Mods, to reflect this, can you change the thread's subheader so that the airdate is instead Monday, 3/26?)

[odracir]

Now until monday?, sounds like the Oceania syndrome. LOL, just kidding.

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This should be hilarious.

[ShamanO]

why? because you dont think conspiracies are interesting, but instead ridiculous and not something to make you ponder more?

[frednirv632]

 ShamanO, on 22 March 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

why? because you dont think conspiracies are interesting, but instead ridiculous and not something to make you ponder more?

yes.

seriously watch this video and tell me it's not ridiculous.


the sad part? this lady's rainbow is not too different from billy's chemtrails.

[ShamanO]

well 1st of all most people are aware of the the sun light hitting the water in the proper spot to create the rainbow.

as far as her sounding as ridiculous as Billy and chemtrails-NO

why do some planes disperse this cloud nonsense and other do not? I can see 2 planes up in the sky and one has a "chemtrail" and he other does not. And they both are passenger planes. Why are there so many of these "chemtrails" crisscrossing in the sky and other days there is nothing, but yet planes are still flying. Let's say on a tuesday there are these "chemtrails" in the sky and not 6 other days out of the week? Why is it not happening from every plane on every day? I'm not saying yes or no that chemtrails exist or don't exist, I'm simply asking questions of things I happen to notice.

This post has been edited by ShamanO: 22 March 2012 - 11:25 AM

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 ShamanO, on 22 March 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

why? because you dont think conspiracies are interesting, but instead ridiculous and not something to make you ponder more?

I think someone like Alex Jones is a fear monger. Of course there are very real conspiracies (look at the JFK assassination... look at Lincoln's assassination, shit, look at Alexander the Great's father's assassination!!!) but these guys take it to another level. Half truths and uneducated babbling that sounds superficially impressive. Everything is a conspiracy against our liberty, against our life! They may as well be issuing those bogus terrorist color alerts like Bush and Cheney. Yuck.

I think people have the need to believe in these wide ranging conspiracies for the same reason people seek out religion: they want to believe there is a grander plan. They want to believe someone else is calling the shots and they're being carried along.

[werideatdusk]

questioning is always a good thing, and it troubles me that so many 'scientifically' minded people have a knee-jerk hostility to 'conspiracies' or any other ideas that are contrary to the consensus mainstream hive-reality.

i do agree that skepticism has its place, evidence has its place, and it doesn't make sense to commit to ideas that you have no rational basis for. But really, people commit to the consensus reality all the time based on a "feeling" that it represents how the world works, as opposed to a thorough independent review of evidence.

[ShamanO]

hey sometimes I think something bigger than me not of this world is calling the shots, but I just keep an open mind and like to hear all sorts of things because it's all fascinating to me, not necessarily a belief of everything that's been put out there for us to believe on. But it's just nice to know about different things. :shrug:/>

[werideatdusk]

 ArticulateEric, on 22 March 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

I think people have the need to believe in these wide ranging conspiracies for the same reason people seek out religion: they want to believe there is a grander plan. They want to believe someone else is calling the shots and they're being carried along.

very interesting point, but i'd say that a lot of spiritual paths can be very helpful for people seeking to reclaim agency and authorship over their own lives. organized religion, i agree, not so much.

[ShamanO]

well if people are happy in their organized religion let em be...however when they start trying to convert someone that's a ballgame that should not be played. If people want to seek it out on their own fine, but others should not in anyway try and convert people into their organization. hmmm thoughts invade me now :scatch:/>

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 ShamanO, on 22 March 2012 - 11:40 AM, said:

hey sometimes I think something bigger than me not of this world is calling the shots, but I just keep an open mind and like to hear all sorts of things because it's all fascinating to me, not necessarily a belief of everything that's been put out there for us to believe on. But it's just nice to know about different things. :shrug:/>

I listen. I just hear a lot of nonsense. I'm open to ideas that make sense; Lee Harvey Oswald not assassinating JFK is one. The mountain of logical evidence for Oswald being innocent, is IMO, impossible to ignore, but my eyes glaze over when it becomes pseudo-scientific, distorted facts. Honestly, part of the way to delegitimize legitimate theories are through 'disinformation campaigns', just disseminating a bunch of cooky theories to discredit ALL theories. I can't rationalize chemtrails and most 9/11 conspiracy theories, for example.

Wasn't this Jones guy saying Obama was going to declare martial law a bunch of times?

 werideatdusk, on 22 March 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

very interesting point, but i'd say that a lot of spiritual paths can be very helpful for people seeking to reclaim agency and authorship over their own lives. organized religion, i agree, not so much.

I agree.

Although the sense of community in organized religion can be a good thing. I can't slam that.

[ShamanO]

either side to a conspiracy can be a conspiracy all on it's own! :lol:/>

both sides want to be heard, both sides want to right, each person decides what interpretation fit to their individual self.
You believe what you want just as other believe what they want. If everyone believed the same thing life would probably become a boring robotic existence.

[dudehitscar]

 ShamanO, on 22 March 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

why do some planes disperse this cloud nonsense and other do not? I can see 2 planes up in the sky and one has a "chemtrail" and he other does not. And they both are passenger planes. Why are there so many of these "chemtrails" crisscrossing in the sky and other days there is nothing, but yet planes are still flying. Let's say on a tuesday there are these "chemtrails" in the sky and not 6 other days out of the week? Why is it not happening from every plane on every day? I'm not saying yes or no that chemtrails exist or don't exist, I'm simply asking questions of things I happen to notice.

a little google magic can answer all of your questions.

Why on earth would the existence of contrails lead anyone to believe that the US government is intentionally spraying chemicals on our citizens on a regular basis? I mean why not just put the shit in the water supply instead? What would Obama have to gain by continuing such a program? Why doesn't a well known scientist make a fortune by proving the conspiracy if it's so damn obvious?

These are the kinds of questions that are an appropriate response to a fear pedaler like Alex Jones.

[ShamanO]

well if one were to add it to the water supply that would create a massive effect to the health of people in the city (if lets say something was added to the city water) and that would be far too noticeable and gain too many questions to the country and world at large. I'm not saying the government is doing anything with this chemtrail" exhaust but it would not be as noticeable to do so that way as it would be to taint the water supply to a city. having 300,00+ people in a city all have something wrong and going into the hospital is far more noticeable than a gradual increase of health problem with people over time.

[dudehitscar]

 ShamanO, on 22 March 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

well if one were to add it to the water supply that would create a massive effect to the health of people in the city (if lets say something was added to the city water) and that would be far too noticeable and gain too many questions to the country and world at large. I'm not saying the government is doing anything with this chemtrail" exhaust but it would not be as noticeable to do so that way as it would be to taint the water supply to a city. having 300,00+ people in a city all have something wrong and going into the hospital is far more noticeable than a gradual increase of health problem with people over time.

why not add it sporadically so it effects too little of people to be noticed?

This post has been edited by dudehitscar: 22 March 2012 - 12:06 PM

[ShamanO]

ask them! maybe they haven't figure out if that's a safer way?
they sure wouldn't want to fuck it up by adding too much of whatever and then having to explain that one in the news

[dudehitscar]

 ShamanO, on 22 March 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

ask them! maybe they haven't figure out if that's a safer way?
they sure wouldn't want to fuck it up by adding too much of whatever and then having to explain that one in the news

or maybe the chemtrails conspiracy is bullshit...

[ShamanO]

to each their own on that conspiracy!

again I'm not saying yes or no...it's just there and it is whatever it is to whomever.

[werideatdusk]

You could point out that the top 1% richest people in the world own 40% of the assets.
There is, logically, a huge imperative for those who benefit from the situation to maintain it through whatever means are necessary.
Growing media consolidation and corporatization means that, more and more, what is being reported cannot be trusted as impartial or even accurate.
All of this leads me to keep an open mind to so-called conspiracies.

To get back to what 'Eric' said, believing that we are ineffectual cogs in a machine is actually exactly what empowers the status quo. Everyday people reclaiming their own freedom and equality would be disastrous to the oligarchy. Being receptive to alternate explanations of the machinations of power is an important first step, but you can't get bogged down thinking that you're a bit player in some grand scheme.

Ultimately, you are the star of your own life story, and living well is the best revenge! But I can see why people feel motivated to make a fairer system for the world, so that we can reach a place where people are not lied to all the time about how the world really is, and where barriers are removed that keep people from their dreams.

Many of these barriers, of course, can be removed yourself without any revolution or anything. Which is why everyone pursuing self-improvement is so important. And to improve yourself, you have to believe! That life can change, that you're not stuck in vain, perhaps?

[ShamanO]

nice sugar coated ending!

 werideatdusk, on 22 March 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

You could point out that the top 1% richest people in the world own 40% of the assets.
There is, logically, a huge imperative for those who benefit from the situation to maintain it through whatever means are necessary.
Growing media consolidation and corporatization means that, more and more, what is being reported cannot be trusted as impartial or even accurate.
All of this leads me to keep an open mind to so-called conspiracies.

To get back to what 'Eric' said, believing that we are ineffectual cogs in a machine is actually exactly what empowers the status quo. Everyday people reclaiming their own freedom and equality would be disastrous to the oligarchy. Being receptive to alternate explanations of the machinations of power is an important first step, but you can't get bogged down thinking that you're a bit player in some grand scheme.

Ultimately, you are the star of your own life story, and living well is the best revenge! But I can see why people feel motivated to make a fairer system for the world, so that we can reach a place where people are not lied to all the time about how the world really is, and where barriers are removed that keep people from their dreams.

Many of these barriers, of course, can be removed yourself without any revolution or anything. Which is why everyone pursuing self-improvement is so important. And to improve yourself, you have to believe! That life can change, that you're not stuck in vain, perhaps?

self improvement does not mean people need to lie to gain. How can one truly improve the self if it's a bunch of lies? Is that being true to oneself? maybe if the person believed the lies, but even so a lie is a lie and I would think that would not sit well with the person making up the nonsense. I couldn't live with myself and be proud of a dream if it was based on lies. Fuck that shit to the core! dreams should not be lies! people shouldn't lead others on a wild goose chase to gain their own dream.

a falsified dream is not something I would want to be a part of

[themadcaplaughs]

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the light shall be brought

...and lies burned off of souls.

[ShamanO]

 themadcaplaughs, on 22 March 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

...and lies burned off of souls.

should be a lot of soul burning happening!