[Drevpile]

Ya and if the fans don't agree with the idea that you return to us, this board goes crazy. We have to know roughly what you are asking on our behalf!!!???

[ShamanO]

it can be a bit worrisome that we as fans were asked about what we would like to see put out and then we don't even know wtf is going beyond that. However, I do trust that those involved will indeed make a good decision on what to get approved by Billy. But not knowing what was sent is annoying.

[Drevpile]

I'm not in the habit of hiring, let alone trusting a team of people to deliver a project for me, when I don't even know the first thing about their relevant credentials.

[ShamanO]

Drevpile, on 24 April 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

I'm not in the habit of hiring, let alone trusting a team of people to deliver a project for me, when I don't even know the first thing about their relevant credentials.

lol no employees for you

[Drevpile]

If it is reps from SP freaks, splra, spfc etc... that is all I need to know to inspire confidence...

ShamanO, on 24 April 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

lol no employees for you

This is what cvs are for!

[MonteLDS]

Drevpile, on 24 April 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

Ya and if the fans don't agree with the idea that you return to us, this board goes crazy. We have to know roughly what you are asking on our behalf!!!???

your lack in confidence and trust is amazing.
We aren't going to ask for something only 2 or 3 fans have suggested. We are going to ask for something BIG. Something worth releasing.

We won't be coming back with the "best of SP stuff fans already have in great quailty" featuring the rat in the cage song, and 1979 and some FM or SBD sourced concert you could download for free on archive.org

[ShamanO]

true. they are in the know of their SP things.

how come you didn't include Monte? He's been around for a long time?

Drevpile, on 24 April 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

If it is reps from SP freaks, splra, spfc etc... that is all I need to know to inspire confidence...



This is what cvs are for!

:lol:/>

what?!! this isn't a pharmaceutical company? :drama:/>

[CoolAsIceCream]

Drevpile, on 24 April 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

I'm not in the habit of hiring, let alone trusting a team of people to deliver a project for me, when I don't even know the first thing about their relevant credentials.

you know monty.

lol!

[WayneArnold]

MonteLDS, on 24 April 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

We won't be coming back with the "best of SP stuff fans already have in great quailty" featuring the rat in the cage song, and 1979 and some FM or SBD sourced concert you could download for free on archive.org

Why not?

[Drevpile]

Look, just do what the hell you like. Monte, I don't question your dedication to billy. And I get it - It's a dream project for anyone of us. And no one, no one wants it to fail.
However, I do not know how to make this clearer to you; It is not that easy to blindly put trust and confidence into a project - which has no detailed out-line, let alone basic outline. It is simply beyond my comprehension for logic. I'm sorry for annoying you all with stupid requests for things like "information" and "facts", stuff like that, but its that sort of thing that I could get excited and confident about. Not "the team is doing something - you should be excited".

The lucky 13's role is surely, in part, to be accountable to the other (by proxy) 'unlucky' fans... is it not?

CoolAsIceCream, on 24 April 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

you know monty.

lol!

If the team is strong enough as a whole, individual 'quirks" can be over-looked...

[davidp2007]

Didn't they already confirm that people from SPFC and SPfreaks were involved already? I honestly don't know who is on the team outside of Monte and Marie, but it was my understanding that they were getting people from the trading community involved as well as people that are involved at some level with places like SPFC and SPfreaks.

In addition to suggestions for possible material we could look at, I have also sent messages to the Lucky 13 suggesting that it might help to upgrade the site when the time comes (not sure if they have control over that) and I gave a number of suggestions of people I felt would be a good for the team if they weren't already involved. Now whether they already have some of those people involved is another question as I am not privy to that info. But I did mention people involved with SPFC, SPRLA, SPFreaks, and others. I even threw in names like Dave Asselin. I don't know how involved he is with the community anymore but he is very knowledgeable, so someone like him might be an asset if they were able to track him down and he agreed to be a part of it.

Drevpile, on 24 April 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

Look, just do what the hell you like. Monte, I don't question your dedication to billy. And I get it - It's a dream project for anyone of us. And no one, no one wants it to fail.
However, I do not know how to make this clearer to you; It is not that easy to blindly put trust and confidence into a project - which has no detailed out-line, let alone basic outline. It is simply beyond my comprehension for logic. I'm sorry for annoying you all with stupid requests for things like "information" and "facts", stuff like that, but its that sort of thing that I could get excited and confident about. Not "the team is doing something - you should be excited".

The lucky 13's role is surely, in part, to be accountable to the other (by proxy) 'unlucky' fans... is it not?


If the team is strong enough as a whole, individual 'quirks" can be over-looked...

Hopefully they will be able to give us something more tangible soon. I know it's frustrating, I am eager to get the ball rolling as well. But I wouldn't, for example, expect a complete list of everything in the archive just yet. It sounds like that is ongoing process, and that Billy is still discovering what they do have. As I mentioned before, I think Billy was eager to get the project going and the announcement probably came just as the members of the team were thrown into the fray or soon after.

[ChrisHill]

MonteLDS, on 24 April 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

ya and if Billy doesn't agree with the idea this board goes crazy..

There's a way to do this without making the board go crazy. I think most people were pretty impressed with Billy's thoughts, attitude, and ideas on this project from the interview, so if you pitch something to Billy and he turns it down it will undoubtedly be for a legitimate reason (cost, plans to release the material elsewhere i.e. Metro DVD, rights, the material doesn't actually exist i.e. full Adore with Jimmy, etc.). I'm sure some people will whine, but the information would be useful when considering what to request.

I think what most people want to see is professionalism. Like was said previously, you all are acting as salespeople and hopefully have put together a relevant and professional proposal for Billy. Since no one knows who is in this group besides two people, one of whom is known to not have professionally-acceptable spelling or grammatical skills based on overwhelming evidence (and I don't mean to turn this into a bash-Monte session, even you would surely agree this is the case), there is uncertainty around whether the group is up to this task.

And while the idea of using statistics to analyze data is a noble goal, it really is laughable in this case. Even if you eliminate multiple "votes" by the same person, you're still not differentiating between, say, my willingness to pay $500 for a Rubano box and someone else's willingness to shout Pastichio Medley snippet titles but when the time comes not be willing to contribute money towards a product. The only meaningful data can only be gathered after money exchanges hands. Only then will you know have an idea what meaningful demand there is for, say, a digital download of a soundboard show, or a collectible piece of vinyl. The data you should actually be going after is sales data from livesmashingpumpkins.com and the soundboards offered last year, as well as the physical Teargarden EPs.

davidp2007, on 24 April 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

I even threw in names like Dave Asselin. I don't know how involved he is with the community anymore but he is very knowledgeable, so someone like him might be an asset if they were able to track him down and he agreed to be a part of it.

Dave is still accessible. I have a feeling he probably wouldn't be interested in being part of this project, but he's still around.

Chris Hill

[davidp2007]

ChrisHill, on 24 April 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

There's a way to do this without making the board go crazy. I think most people were pretty impressed with Billy's thoughts, attitude, and ideas on this project from the interview, so if you pitch something to Billy and he turns it down it will undoubtedly be for a legitimate reason (cost, plans to release the material elsewhere i.e. Metro DVD, rights, the material doesn't actually exist i.e. full Adore with Jimmy, etc.). I'm sure some people will whine, but the information would be useful when considering what to request.

I think what most people want to see is professionalism. Like was said previously, you all are acting as salespeople and hopefully have put together a relevant and professional proposal for Billy. Since no one knows who is in this group besides two people, one of whom is known to not have professionally-acceptable spelling or grammatical skills based on overwhelming evidence (and I don't mean to turn this into a bash-Monte session, even you would surely agree this is the case), there is uncertainty around whether the group is up to this task.

And while the idea of using statistics to analyze data is a noble goal, it really is laughable in this case. Even if you eliminate multiple "votes" by the same person, you're still not differentiating between, say, my willingness to pay $500 for a Rubano box and someone else's willingness to shout Pastichio Medley snippet titles but when the time comes not be willing to contribute money towards a product. The only meaningful data can only be gathered after money exchanges hands. Only then will you know have an idea what meaningful demand there is for, say, a digital download of a soundboard show, or a collectible piece of vinyl. The data you should actually be going after is sales data from livesmashingpumpkins.com and the soundboards offered last year, as well as the physical Teargarden EPs.



Dave is still accessible. I have a feeling he probably wouldn't be interested in being part of this project, but he's still around.

Chris Hill

Yeah I appreciated Billy's thoughts on the subject. It sounds like he is really interested in putting out the Rubano tapes but the numbers he was throwing out seemed a bit high. Granted, he was talking about an entire box set in theoretical terms.

For me, my willingness to purchase and what form I would be interested in buying will depend on the release. The past sales data might be interesting to note, though it wouldn't necessarily determine what people would be willing to buy.

For what it's worth, I got two of the 20th anniversary shows (because I went to both shows and they were different setlists) and both of the Teargarden EPs. In terms of Teargarden, I pre-ordered Volume 2 because I enjoyed the vast majority of the EP. I was sort of 50-50 on Volume 1, so I didn't end up getting it until my girlfriend bought a copy of it well after the fact for me on Amazon for the holidays. I also got the deluxe reissues of Gish and Siamese Dream and intend to buy all the other reissues.

Ah okay, I wasn't sure. I just mentioned the name because I thought he was knowledgeable enough but I didn't know if he would even be interested, even if he was accessible. It's good to know he's still in the community though.

[.absof.]

Will the fans be informed of requests that have been knocked back by Billy?

Will it show up on the database/hub as being something that can no longer be requested?

[standing]

Drevpile, on 24 April 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

The lucky 13's role is surely, in part, to be accountable to the other (by proxy) 'unlucky' fans...

this play on lucky and unlucky had me falling out of my chair. bravo.

[standing]

Monte, after the ordering window closes, would lucky13 be able to request from Billy just how few of these gift flexis. were produced/ordered? id be interested to know just how rare it is.

[andrewface]

so wait...what's on the flexi?

[davidp2007]

andrewface, on 24 April 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

so wait...what's on the flexi?

No idea, my own personal speculation was that it would be a replica of one of the existing flexi-discs, Daughter or I Am One. Since we are supposed to getting a replica of the SP Demo tape with Pisces, I figured they might go that route. But it could be just as easily (and mostly likely) be a new flexi-disc that has never been issued before.

[ShamanO]

I bet the lucky13 are getting the flexi disc

[.absof.]

davidp2007, on 24 April 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

No idea, my own personal speculation was that it would be a replica of one of the existing flexi-discs, Daughter or I Am One. Since we are supposed to getting a replica of the SP Demo tape with Pisces, I figured they might go that route. But it could be just as easily (and mostly likely) be a new flexi-disc that has never been issued before.

If TbK Vol. 3 doesn't come out to the public I hope this is some sort of Lightning Strikes/Owata double A-side with maybe two other tracks thrown in..

[CoolAsIceCream]

.absof., on 25 April 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

If TbK Vol. 3 doesn't come out to the public I hope this is some sort of Lightning Strikes/Owata double A-side with maybe two other tracks thrown in..

you're not easy to please, are you? what about just those last two teagarden tracks? would that not be enough?

i think it would be best for most if the track or tracks on the flexi are gish or siamese dream related. because that's what people pre-ordered.

DID SOMEONE ALREADY GET THE FLEXI? I CANNOT WAIT? PLEASE TELL US WHAT'S ON IT!

[davidp2007]

CoolAsIceCream, on 25 April 2012 - 12:25 AM, said:

you're not easy to please, are you? what about just those last two teagarden tracks? would that not be enough?

i think it would be best for most if the track or tracks on the flexi are gish or siamese dream related. because that's what people pre-ordered.

DID SOMEONE ALREADY GET THE FLEXI? I CANNOT WAIT? PLEASE TELL US WHAT'S ON IT!

The flexi-disc I read wasn't supposed to be shipped till April 30th or something but I agree, it would make the most sense that it would be Gish/Siamese Dream related to tie it in with the reissues that people received late. I am sure that some people would find a Teargarden related flexi-disc cool, but in this context, an early years flexi-disc would make the most sense.

[CoolAsIceCream]

but didn't it say it normally ships within three days?

oh, wait, we're in the wrong thread.
how did that happen?

[Fernando]

I don't know if it will be part of teh project, but I wonder if there are full versions of those songs we can hear in the Glass and The Mahines of God and also the alternate remix of TheFutureEmbrace from TheFutureEmbrace Film:

[ShamanO]

Fernando, on 25 April 2012 - 08:50 AM, said:

I don't know if it will be part of teh project, but I wonder if there are full versions of those songs we can hear in the Glass and The Mahines of God and also the alternate remix of TheFutureEmbrace from TheFutureEmbrace Film:

I'm not understanding what you mean when you say: full versions of those songs we can hear in the Glass and the Machines of God

what is that about?

[Drevpile]

http://www.smashingp...hp?showtopic=29
Someone should update that.

Anyway>>>>

http://thepumpkins.n...-of-god-remixes

This post has been edited by Drevpile: 25 April 2012 - 09:30 AM

[Fernando]

ShamanO, on 25 April 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

I'm not understanding what you mean when you say: full versions of those songs we can hear in the Glass and the Machines of God

what is that about?

It's about the link Drevpile posted. I wonder if there are any other remix of Machina songs (as the GaTMOG was planned to be longer). And there are some other songs played in GaTMOG trailers/episodes that weren't released, like the so called The Everlasting Gaze GaTMOG Remix. There were two clips of unknown songs in Episode 2 and they sound like part of The Everlasting Gaze remix and an altered version of If There Is A God in Episode 1 too.

[ShamanO]

these were mixed by Matt Walker?

I don't like the Imploding Voice remix so much, it's alright, but it's like techo night, the ending of it was cool though. he should redo it and make a new one :p/>
Glass' Theme (shattering glass remix is better than the Glass remix)
why didn't he do more?

and now I see your post Fernando after I posted

would actually like to hear more if there is more. But if these are ever released I don't want the glass remix i want the shattering glass remix.

Fernando, on 25 April 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

There were two clips of unknown songs in Episode 2 and they sound like part of The Everlasting Gaze remix and an altered version of If There Is A God in Episode 1 too.

where are these unknown clips?

[Fernando]

I think Walker remixed one of those Glass' Theme. There were probably some other remixes.

unknown songs, not clips.

You can here some of then in EP2 as the little part of a If There Is a God remix here:

This post has been edited by Fernando: 25 April 2012 - 10:01 AM

[whywontyoulisten]

ShamanO, on 25 April 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

these were mixed by Matt Walker?

...

would actually like to hear more if there is more. But if these are ever released I don't want the glass remix i want the shattering glass remix.

I have "Glass' Theme (remix)" as a file labelled "Glass (Matt Walker's Shard1-Betrayal Remix)". It's also 3.46 mins instead of the faded-out 2min version on ThePumpkins.net

[ShamanO]

at 7:16 in the video the beginning of the unheard song sounds like the first chord to If There is a God, possible remix?

also the other song that seemed to have lyrics in it sounded like James maybe? Unless Billy did some vocal changer thing to his voice, but it did not sound like him. Will these ever surface? I am very curious. especially with the song starting at 7:16

whywontyoulisten, on 25 April 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

I have "Glass' Theme (remix)" as a file labelled "Glass (Matt Walker's Shard1-Betrayal Remix)". It's also 3.46 mins instead of the faded-out 2min version on ThePumpkins.net

I want to hear it!

[Fernando]

Yeah, that's If There is a God remix. I can't find the clip of TEG remix :(/>.

[ShamanO]

well damn, someone has it though. Call Matt or Billy lol

so ITIAG has a remix? I need to hear this. I LOVE that song, so I can't even fathom what the remix would be like compared to the 2 on the album.
this is on my need/want list now

[ShamanO]

totally off topic (United States seems like it could have fit in with GATMOG)

[whywontyoulisten]

The remixes should be easy to put out; they probably already exist as digital files. I'd love to hear more from the GatMoG soundtrack.

[ShamanO]

as long as it's more than 4 songs on there and 2 being the same only remixes.
I think adding other songs no one has heard before from that time would be a wiser choice

[Drevpile]

http://rgifs.gifbin.com/3g601665550.gif

hmmm. So, anyway - can we expect an update any time soon Lucky13?

[MonteLDS]

Question:

Drevpile, on 27 April 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

http://rgifs.gifbin.com/3g601665550.gif

hmmm. So, anyway - can we expect an update any time soon Lucky13?

Answer:

TheLucky13, on 23 April 2012 - 04:15 PM, said:

We also are very aware of the "announcement of announcement of announcement" stuff that has overjoyed our community, and want to avoid communicating for no reason other than to sustain momentum, which just ends up being frustrating for everyone.
If it unfolds as planned, this project is going to be long term, so don't burn yourselves out.

We do hope to have a forum set up in the next few days or so.

Again, thank you (plural) for your input.

[Drevpile]

MonteLDS, on 27 April 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

Question:
Answer:

ChrisHill, on 24 April 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

There's a way to do this without making the board go crazy...

Should you wish to start deleting my posts. Let me rephrase then; ^^^^^^

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0dxi6SArw1qbrdf3o1_r1_500.gif

This post has been edited by Drevpile: 28 April 2012 - 06:48 AM

[MonteLDS]

Drevpile, on 27 April 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

Can we expect an update any time soon Lucky13?

A survey from the Lucky 13 Team:
http://www.crestfall...-lucky-13-team/

[crepe]

did it

[paulandgemm]

Survey done,

[Drevpile]

MonteLDS, on 30 April 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

A survey from the Lucky 13 Team:
http://www.crestfall...-lucky-13-team/

This is it?

I would hazard that most people here would pay different amounts for different types of release. Live show / studio / demo / new songs - your survey doesn't hope to aggregate the differences properly. I might pay $1 for one live show and $20 for another depending on what it actually is - same with other types of release.

I can't believe you have gone down exactly the same route as the last time. You've dressed it up under the guise of a survey, but it's just the same thing. "How much will you pay for our mystery product". You are walking such a fine line by not actually giving our brains something tangible to work with.

Here; look, one example me: I don't spend shit all on SP now during a year. The music is crap. But I would spend more on archive stuff. How much more. I don't know without real parameters; ie: It depends on what it actually is you are asking me to consider. Most people, I would imagine, DO NOT care whether a hypothetical product comes in a fucking plastic case or a cardboard case. It might matter a little bit more to them though, if they knew what [it] was and how much [it] might cost though...

[CoolAsIceCream]

do you want a t-shirt with that?