[ShamanO]

standing, on 20 April 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

or how bout an acoustic version of each album?

SOLD!

[rosenkreuzer]

how about struttin that ass?

[WayneArnold]

First release: Siamese Dream Live. Billy hand selects his favorite live version of all thirteen tracks from any era. Simple, short, easy, guaranteed to please. Fuck yeah.

[Drevpile]

I know Billy said 'only studio' for first stuff. But just for a minute, just for a second, dare to imagine that for each year... there are no more blanks... and where possible, we get soundboards. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


http://www.splra.org...p?title=Tsp1988
http://www.splra.org...p?title=Tsp1989
http://www.splra.org...p?title=Tsp1990
http://www.splra.org...p?title=Tsp1991
http://www.splra.org...p?title=Tsp1992
http://www.splra.org...p?title=Tsp1993
http://www.splra.org...p?title=Tsp1994
http://www.splra.org...p?title=Tsp1995
http://www.splra.org...p?title=Tsp1996
http://www.splra.org...p?title=Tsp1997
http://www.splra.org...p?title=Tsp1998
http://www.splra.org...p?title=Tsp1999
http://www.splra.org...p?title=Tsp2000

WayneArnold, on 20 April 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

Yes. If you'll notice, before the interview no one was clamoring for the release of the Rubano tapes. But once we were told they could be released, people have Rubano Fever. Why? BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY FUCKING THING WE KNOW EXISTS. Give us a damn list. Not even of everything. Lucky 13, make a list of three releases as candidates and let us vote.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This post has been edited by Drevpile: 20 April 2012 - 01:38 PM

[standing]

ChrisHill, on 20 April 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

I've long thought this as well, but In the Arms of Sheep has a snippet of lyrics in the PM clip, and Speed was performed twice as a fully-formed song at the Double Door so presumably was rehearsed as such. I think it's a safe guess that most of the PM "songs" are just jammed riffs, but were enough of them worked into songs to make up an interesting release? Possibly, once someone takes the time to go through everything.

Chris Hill

good poimt

[Drevpile]

I'll take 70 odd jams.

Drevpile, on 20 April 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In the 3 - give us an option for; different candidates - though please. They might all be crappy. :p/>

[ShamanO]

gee ya think a list would have been constructed by now it's been a week already. :drama:/>

[ChrisHill]

Drevpile, on 20 April 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

http://www.splra.org...p?title=Tsp1988
http://www.splra.org...p?title=Tsp1989

I *knew* I remembered seeing more early setlists somewhere in the immediate aftermath of Frank beginning his archive work. Thanks for the reminder.

[ShamanO]

so there very 1st show was recorded before Jimmy? Is there a way for those songs and others along the way to be added to make a disc for pre Jimmy Pumpkins?

[ChrisHill]

Some positive press about using Kickstarter for this project already: Q101.

[Drevpile]

ShamanO, on 20 April 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

pre Jimmy Pumpkins

It's important, yes, but of no interest to me at least. (As if you couldn't have guessed by now...)

This post has been edited by Drevpile: 20 April 2012 - 03:09 PM

[ShamanO]

Drevpile, on 20 April 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

It's important, yes, but of no interest to me at least. (As if you couldn't have guessed by now...)

well fine..NONE FOR YOU or possibly anyone or maybe it can be a little extra bonus for whatever kickstarter it could potentially be included in and you can sell yours Drev.

[billy12]

breathesgelatin, on 19 April 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

2. PASTICHIO MEDLEY SET: My other idea for the first release is a complete CD/vinyl/digital release of ALL the Pastichio Medley songs. It could be called the Pastichio Medley set and have full versions of all the songs from the Medley. It would probably be two or three or maybe four CDs, I'm guessing? Of course, this option would potentially take a lot of work tracking down Pastichio Medley tracks (per Billy's discussion). I know this is not chronological exactly but I am assuming that the archive people have been looking at Mellon Collie/Aeroplane stuff lately to prepare for those reissues, at least. This could be priced very reasonably, possibly $75-100 (possibly less???) for the boxset (or more with cool pack-ins) and less for the digital?

This thread is kind of becoming a clusterfuck right now, but I really want to get my two cents in. This is EXACTLY the idea I had. A box set, or just some kind of physical release of all the Pistachio Medley songs is my holy grail. To whoever said it shouldn't be released because Billy remembers it as just being a lot of jamming... forget that. I think many of us DO want to hear this, and will put the money towards seeing all these songs released. Personally, I want to hear all original songs demoed/recorded in studio from the Mellon Collie era, i.e., Towers of Rabble, Speed, etc. That also of course includes the Pistachio Medley songs.

Also wouldn't mind a remastered release in higher fidelity of Quiet and Other Songs, and to dig deeper, if there is ANY other demo or recording floating around of She Says, please release it. Let me bold this for emphasis: Would love to hear any other version of She Says. I absolutely love that song... always hated the fact it wasn't officially released anywhere.

[standing]

WayneArnold, on 20 April 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

First release: Siamese Dream Live. Billy hand selects his favorite live version of all thirteen tracks from any era. Simple, short, easy, guaranteed to please. Fuck yeah.

this don't agree with this exactly; but it does remind me of something ive always hoped would be an important part of the archive releases- tracking the progression of live song versions across the eras. maybe for each era there should be a release that focuses on how the band handled songs from previous eras.

[Drevpile]

standing, on 20 April 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

... tracking the progression of live song versions across the eras...

As I said, get redbull involved;
http://forums.netpho...owthread.php?t=
http://thepiratebay....orrent/4275291/
http://www.mediafire.../?grthq8xtb9cv7

Quote

1979
acoustic with Matt Walker on drums (2000/12/02)
acoustic (1996/03/13)
electric (1997/07/04)
fast version (1998/08/04)
solo acoustic (2007/10/06)
Storytellers version (2000/08/24)

Age of Innocence
acoustic (1999/10/30)
solo acoustic (2000/02/17)

Appels + Oranjes
acoustic (1998/07/31)

Ava Adore
acoustic (1997/10/18)
full band Adore acoustic version (1998/08/21 early)
full band Adore version (1998/08/04)
drum machine version (2000/05/01)
early version (1997/12/05)
heavy version (2000/10/27)
solo acoustic (1998/01/15)
solo acoustic with piano (1998/12/12)
Zeitgeist version (2007/09/21)

Beautiful
early version (1995/02/21)
slow version (1996/01/30)

Behold! The Night Mare
acoustic (1997/10/19)
Zeitgeist version (2008/02/06)

Blank Page
acoustic (1998/08/05)
extended version (1998/08/04)
synth version (2000/09/16)

Bleeding the Orchid
acoustic (2007/07/10 early)

Blew Away
machina version (2000/05/14)

Blissed and Gone
ragtime version with The Frogs (2000/12/02)
solo acoustic (1998/07/29)

Blue
acoustic (1991/08/17 early)

Blue Skies Bring Tears
acoustic Zeitgeist version (2007/06/05)
Arising! version (1999/04/23)
full band Piano version (2000/10/27)
Sacred + Profane tour version (2000/05/13)
solo piano version (2000/02/19)
Zeitgeist version (2007/07/30)

Bullet with Butterfly Wings
acoustic Adore version (1998/08/05)
acoustic tribal version (2000/02/23)
acoustic (1996/03/13)
Adore version (1998/08/04)
early (1994/04/10)
solo acoustic (2000/02/17)
tribal version (2007/05/22)

Bury Me
acoustic (1991/08/17 early)

By Starlight
early version (1995/02/21)
slow version (1997/06/27)

Cherub Rock
full band acoustic (1993/06/30)
stripped down acoustic (2000/02/19)
with Rick Nielsen on guitar (2000/12/02)

Crestfallen
extended intro (1998/06/19)
full band acoustic (1998/08/05)
solo acoustic (1998/01/15)

Crush
electric (2008/04/04)
keyboard version (2000/04/21)
piano version (2007/06/05)

Cupid de Locke
no keys (1995/02/28)

Dancin' in the Moonlight
electric (1994/08/05)

Daphne Descends
solo acoustic (1998/01/15)

Daydream
electric (2008/02/03)
solo acoustic (2007/06/05)

Death from Above
piano version (2007/07/16)

Disarm
electric with cello (1993/08/14)
electric (1994/02/26)
full band acoustic (1993/06/30)
heavy version (1993/09/XX)
acoustic slow version (1996/10/29)
slow version (1997/01/08)
solo acoustic with keys (2007/10/23)
solo electric with keys (2007/11/13)

Drown
full band acoustic (2000/11/29)
solo acoustic (1991/09/XX)

Eye
acoustic with Marilyn Manson and Twiggy Ramirez (1997/10/18)

For God and Country
acoustic (2007/05/22)

For Martha
extended (1998/05/28)
with William Corgan Sr. on guitar (2000/11/29)

Geek U.S.A.
early (1992/09/01)

Glass and the Ghost Children
acoustic Zeitgeist version (2007/06/05)
alt. full band acoustic (2000/11/29)
extended Zeitgeist version (2007/08/12)
full band acoustic (2000/02/23)
stripped down acoustic (2000/02/19)
Zeitgeist version (2007/05/22)

Gossamer
acoustic (2007/06/05)
early version in alt. key (2007/05/26)
with Uli John Roth on guitar (2007/06/02)

Heavy Metal Machine
acoustic (2000/03/07)
alt. version (2000/11/29)
drum machine version (2000/02/19)
Zeitgeist version (2007/11/13)

Home
acoustic (2007/06/05)
extended intro (2007/10/04)

Hummer
acoustic with cello (1993/12/12)
acoustic (1993/07/26)

I Am One
extended (Pisces Iscariot + Friends tape)
fast version (1994/08/28)
with rant (1993/12/01)

I of the Mourning
acoustic (2000/03/07)
solo acoustic (2000/02/17)
with rant (2000/05/24)

If There is a God
acoustic (2000/05/01)
piano version (1998/12/12)

In the Arms of Sleep
electric (1997/12/05)

La Dolly Vita
solo acoustic (1991/09/XX)

Let Me Give the World to You
Adore version (1998/05/14)
Storytellers version (2000/08/24)
full band acoustic (1998/08/05)
solo acoustic (1998/07/12)
Zeitgeist version (2007/10/15)

Lily
backing vocals version (2008/02/06)
solo acoustic (1995/02/28)

Lucky 13
extended (2007/11/18)

Luna
acoustic (1992/07/11)

Mayonaise
acoustic (1993/07/26)
acoustic bongo version (1993/07/03)
slow version (1996/04/14)

Muzzle
full band acoustic (1997/10/18)
bongo version with Matt Walker (2000/12/02)
solo acoustic with piano (1998/12/12)
solo acoustic (2000/11/29)

Never Let Me Down Again
with Depeche Mode (1998/12/12)

Neverlost
acoustic (2007/06/05)

Obscured
solo acoustic (1991/09/XX)

Once Upon a Time
electric (1998/05/12)
full band acoustic (1998/07/19)
solo acoustic (1998/01/15)

Perfect
full band acoustic (1998/08/21)
Machina version (2000/05/08)
solo acoustic with piano (1998/12/12)
solo acoustic (1998/07/09)
stripped down acoustic (1998/05/19)
tamborine version (2008/02/06)

Pissant
with rant (1993/10/05)

Pomp and Circumstances
acoustic (2007/10/23)
electric (2007/10/27)

Porcelina of the Vast Oceans
acoustic with John Popper on Harmonica (1997/10/19)
extended Machina version (2000/11/29)
Machina version (2000/09/18)
summer '97 version (1997/07/04)

Pug
acoustic (1998/08/05)
extended intro (1998/08/04)
Machina version (2000/05/24)

Raindrops + Sunshowers
acoustic (2000/08/24)
full band electric (2000/05/13)
solo electric (2000/05/09)

Rhinoceros
early (1989/03/16)
ska version (1991/07/19)
slow acoustic (1993/06/29)
slow electric with cello (1994/08/06)
slow electric (Mashed Potatoes)

Rock On
acoustic (2000/02/17)
fast version (2000/05/24)
short version (2000/11/29)

Rocket
early lyrics stripped down acoustic (1992/08/23)
early lyrics (1991/07/21)
slow electric (1996/01/30)
electric with cello (1994/07/22)
early lyrics full band acoustic (1992/07/11)
full band acoustic with cello (1993/12/12)
full band acoustic (1993/06/30)
solo acoustic (2007/06/19)

Rotten Apples
no strings (1998/12/12)

Set the Ray to Jerry
acoustic (1997/10/18)

Shame
acoustic Zeitgeist version (2007/06/05)
full band acoustic (1998/08/05)
solo acoustic (1998/01/15)
Zeitgeist version (2007/06/02)

Silverfuck
early (1991/07/21)
final show version (2000/12/02)
summer '95 version (1995/08/26)
Zeitgeist version (2007/06/02)
Silverfuck II (1996/02/10)
Silverfuck III (1996/07/10)
Silverfuck IV (1997/02/04)

Siva
acoustic (1991/06/23)
extended with Spiders tease (1997/02/01)
Machina version (2000/11/29)

Smiley
acoustic (1991/06/23)

Snail
acoustic Machina version (2000/08/24)
Machina version (2000/05/12)
solo acoustic (1991/09/XX)

Soma
acoustic (1996/01/31)
with cello (1994/07/12)

Soothe
electric (1994/02/23)

Spaceboy
no strings (1993/06/30)

Speed
with lyrics (1995/02/28)

Speed Kills
slow version (1999/04/23)
solo acoustic (2000/07/02)

Stand Inside Your Love
full band acoustic (2000/03/07)
solo acoustic (2000/02/17)
syrupy version (2000/10/27)

Starla
with cello (1993/08/14)

Stumbleine
full band (1998/08/06)

Suffer
full band acoustic (1991/10/22 early)
solo acoustic (1991/09/XX)

Sun
extended (1989/03/16)

Sweet Sweet
acapella (1993/10/05)

Tear
extended (1998/08/04)
full band acoustic (1998/08/05)
Machina version (2000/04/22)
solo acoustic (1998/01/15)

Terrapin
electric (1992/09/12)

That's the Way (My Love Is)
acoustic (2007/07/10)
piano version (2008/03/28)

The Aeroplane Flies High
no samples (1997/07/04)

The Crying Tree of Mercury
acoustic (2007/06/05)
clean toned version (1999/12/21)

The End is the Beginning is the End
extended with TBITEITB break (1997/07/08)

The Everlasting Gaze
acoustic (2000/02/19)

The Imploding Voice
solo acoustic (2000/07/02)

The Rose March
electric (2008/02/06)

The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete
Resume the Pose version (2000/01/24)

Thirty-three
full band acoustic (1996/03/13)
solo acoustic with cello (1995/02/21)
solo acoustic (2007/06/02)
syrupy version (2000/10/27)

This Time
solo acoustic (2000/05/10)
stripped down acoustic (2000/12/02)

Thru the Eyes of Ruby
acoustic (1996/05/03)
Adore version (1998/08/04)
extended intro (1996/12/07)
with reprise (1997/01/08)

To Forgive
full band acoustic (1996/03/13)
solo acoustic with cello (1995/02/21)

To Sheila
alt. full band acoustic (1998/08/05)
alt. fast version (1998/12/12)
electric (1998/05/19)
fast (2000/07/04)
full band acoustic (1998/07/19)
Resume the Pose version (2000/01/24)
solo acoustic (1998/01/15)
gospel version with The Frogs and Linda Strawberry (2000/12/02)

Today
acoustic with cello (1993/12/12)
acoustic (1993/06/30)
Adore version (1998/10/31)
Arising! version (1999/04/23)
solo acoustic with piano (1998/12/12)
solo piano (2000/02/19)
syrupy version (2000/10/27)
Zeitgeist version (2007/06/02)

Tonight, Tonight
acoustic Adore version (1998/05/28)
full band acoustic (2007/06/05)
Machina version (2000/07/04)
no strings (1995/10/23)
slow acoustic (1996/03/13)
stripped down acoustic (2000/02/19)

Try, Try, Try
acoustic (2000/08/24)
drum machine version (2000/02/19)
Zeitgeist version (2008/02/06)

Ugly
acoustic (1995/02/27)

United States
acoustic (2007/07/10 early)
extended (2008/02/06)

Untitled
acoustic (2007/06/05)

We Only Come Out at Night
electric (1996/01/30)

Window Paine
blues version (1993/12/11)

Wound
Arising! version (1999/04/23)

X.Y.U.
acoustic (1997/10/18)
Adore version (1998/10/31)
Resume the Pose version (2000/02/27)
summer '97 version (1997/07/04)
with Marilyn Manson and Twiggy Ramirez (1997/12/05)

Zero
Machina version (2000/05/12)
summer '97 version (1997/06/27)

[cleric]

so, lucky13, anyone found anything in the archive yet?

orchidaii, on 19 April 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

In terms of upgrades for sought after material - Should we consider those early on in the project or later on?

the people you are asking haven't been told about what else can be released early on. :scatch:/>

[TheLucky13]

spandy, on 14 April 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Any b-sides from all the albums.
Any demos.
If this exists- the re-recorded Adore album with Jimmy on drums.

I'll take just about anything.

Sorry, just reading stuff more in detail now. Apparently the rumors of a re-recorded Adore started with a fan interview with Jimmy:

"The Jimmy recording drums on Adore Version 2 began with me interviewing Jimmy August 15th 2003 while Jimmy was doing a drum clinic in Greensboro, NC.

Jimmy stated that Pug/Behold! The Nitemare/To Sheila/ as well as a Salsa version of The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete had been re-reworked by the entire band, in between Jimmy's return and the Machina release, and they would try to re-do the entire album for a special release at some point down the road, possibly the 10 year anniversary of adore.. which would be next year. James + D'arcy had also been involved in this project. But as you can see with the Metro DVD... not all things that are finished are released in a timely manner, so we may be waiting a while on this.. If there is no hope for release maybe we can hope for a leak, because a more rocking To Sheila would be worth waiting for."

Jimmy has been known to joke around...especially with the "salsa". We could confirm with Billy, but we probably already know the answer :/

[standing]

Drevpile, on 21 April 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

As I said, get redbull involved;
http://forums.netpho...owthread.php?t=
http://thepiratebay....orrent/4275291/
http://www.mediafire.../?grthq8xtb9cv7

the songlist you included just blew my mind.

TheLucky13, on 21 April 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

Sorry, just reading stuff more in detail now. Apparently the rumors of a re-recorded Adore started with a fan interview with Jimmy:

"The Jimmy recording drums on Adore Version 2 began with me interviewing Jimmy August 15th 2003 while Jimmy was doing a drum clinic in Greensboro, NC.

Jimmy stated that Pug/Behold! The Nitemare/To Sheila/ as well as a Salsa version of The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete had been re-reworked by the entire band, in between Jimmy's return and the Machina release, and they would try to re-do the entire album for a special release at some point down the road, possibly the 10 year anniversary of adore.. which would be next year. James + D'arcy had also been involved in this project. But as you can see with the Metro DVD... not all things that are finished are released in a timely manner, so we may be waiting a while on this.. If there is no hope for release maybe we can hope for a leak, because a more rocking To Sheila would be worth waiting for."

Jimmy has been known to joke around...especially with the "salsa". We could confirm with Billy, but we probably already know the answer :/

I was at that drum clinic. adore version 2 is real- atleast as a partial thing. I heard corgan talk about it recently; somewhere in the past 2 yrs. I cant remember if it was an interview or what. I know the last time they came to Charlotte nc, they were doing Ltd soindcheck shows. well, for mine they had tech problems that led to them being able to play only like 3 songs. but at first they thought they may not get a chance to play at all before having to prep for the actual show. so Billy gave us (I think it was only first 20 in line) a very good q and a. it was like 20mins long. it was Billy and Jeff, but only really Billy talked. he mentioned the re-done adore. to my memory it was implied the whole thing hadn't been redone. I do seem to remember him referencing a more barn burning straight-rock version of Ava adore that had only been possible with jimmy's drumming. I think the reason he was talking about it was talking about fans' ability to accept alt versions. he was like "if Jimmy adore comes out, then what do folks take as the definitive adore? would a reworked adore be taken as an interesting twist, or more a historical analysis thing?". that was gross paraphrasing. wish I could cite a reference.

[Drevpile]

TheLucky13, on 21 April 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

We could confirm with Billy.

I always thought this was a joke. However, a better way of appraching this question would be for the Lucky 13 determine; what / how much is the the archive in terms of rehearsal for Arising / Machina era; The likelihood of the band at least working on other Adore songs with JC is rather high, given live sets i would hazard. Even if they didn't record anything pro in-studio.

Regardless of Adore tracks, I think before I get more information about the archives, the Machina era is what I'm most interested in. So, the more I know about what is available from this era - the better.

standing, on 21 April 2012 - 05:39 AM, said:

the songlist you included just blew my mind.

Quite good ey!

[whywontyoulisten]

Drevpile, on 21 April 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

Wound
Arising! version (1999/04/23)

Fuck yeah. San Diego got the shortest set of the tour, but some of the best performances. I dunno the source of the bootleg I have (it's not the one on archive.org), but someone in the crowd yells "GO JIMMY!" during his intro and it fits the mood perfectly. Exhilarating.

[rosenkreuzer]

what about the 45 minutes version of gossamer?
want it.

[standing]

I meant to say something about the interview. I don't know if the adore reissue is at all lucky13 territory, but: Billy mentioned that it would come out next record store day. albums have a season to them, AMD I cant think of a worse time to put out adore. its my favorite sp record AMD i never listen to it in spring or summer. that is a winter record all the way. to me it seems better that mcis and aeroplane should come out together in the summer. that will draw a ton of fans in, and THEN do adore during the holiday season.

I also wanted to say about different versions of songs in the archives: Billy said 12 takes of silverfuck would be boring. but also we want alt versions..maybe "takes" should be stayed away from unless it shows us something about the evolution of the song, or an alternate path for the song. just a fill in solo doesn't make enough difference.

[Drevpile]

standing, on 21 April 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

just a fill...doesn't make enough difference.

In some songs, I think it really would. I'd be massively interested to hear if, for one small example, Muzzle had a number of different versions which only had differences in 'fills', rather than the wider song structure. You only need to listen to the Arising show to know how important some of those fills are to people/the song. I want to see where those parts came from through rehearsal and different takes. If they were happened upon in the first version or so, JC's genius once again proved. His genius would be proved in a different way if we were able to reconstruct the path that took him to the final versions. This, this is but one of the potential marvels of this project. It could be so amazing...

It could be like looking through Michelangelo's sketch books...

This post has been edited by Drevpile: 21 April 2012 - 01:57 PM

[standing]

did anyone listen to montes radio show? any notable updates/ideas?

[Drevpile]

Lucky 13 should feedback.

[afroguy10]

cleric, on 21 April 2012 - 01:23 AM, said:

the people you are asking haven't been told about what else can be released early on. :scatch:/>

She's one of "The Lucky 13", just posting on another account.

[davidp2007]

Drevpile, on 21 April 2012 - 05:52 AM, said:

I always thought this was a joke. However, a better way of appraching this question would be for the Lucky 13 determine; what / how much is the the archive in terms of rehearsal for Arising / Machina era; The likelihood of the band at least working on other Adore songs with JC is rather high, given live sets i would hazard. Even if they didn't record anything pro in-studio.

Regardless of Adore tracks, I think before I get more information about the archives, the Machina era is what I'm most interested in. So, the more I know about what is available from this era - the better.



Quite good ey!

Yeah I always figured it was a joke as well. But if there was some rehearsal tapes of Jimmy playing Adore songs and in general the rehearsals for the Arising/Machina era tours would be cool if good quality.

standing, on 21 April 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

did anyone listen to montes radio show? any notable updates/ideas?

I had listened to it. One guy suggested Pale Scales and the Mashed Potatoes Box Set. Monte said that Pale Scales could end up on the Machina bonus CD but that's something that he could ask Billy about it. That person suggested that you could packaged Mashed Potatoes could be issued the way it was given out to friends of the band. Th guy suggested the same could be done for Machina II, where people get the package the way it was given to those who were told to release it for free. So the 12" vinyl album with the the three EPs. Monte said that Pastichio Medley songs would not likely end up on a TAFH box set since a lot of it is apparently just instrumentals (weren't some of these already on the Gravity Demos?), so it's one of the things they are look into. This same guy wanted to hear all the different Silverfuck jams from the entire MCIS tour.

One person was an archivist for the Cincinnati Reds or something,called in and suggested they could do something like showcasing the evolution of songs, from demos/live versions to studio version. Monte and the guy talked about how they might have widdle down the amount of versions, based on if Billy thought it was an unlistenable version with bullshit lyrics and stuff.

Monte suggested an interest in cleaned up versions of songs like "Methusela". Both he and the first caller suggested people look at places like SPFC to look at potential archival material to suggest. He said the Lucky 13 is in flux but they aren't currently taking any new people in. He talked about needed to figure out whether he could say to Billy that a prospective member could be trusted or that he respects them. Again, I think this suggests that there isn't strictly 13 people handpicked to be in the Lucky 13. Perhaps once the group is finalized, then they will announce who more of the people are or something.

[Drevpile]

davidp2007, on 22 April 2012 - 12:25 AM, said:

Perhaps once the group is finalized, then they will announce who more of the people are or something.

Wait, the team behind this isn't even finalised??? My expectation level just dropped significantly; I thought they must have been working behind the scenes on this thing for some time before announcing it. This does at least explain the completely haphazard approach taken so far. I wish they'd taken the time to really think about this before announcing it :|

[davidp2007]

Drevpile, on 22 April 2012 - 02:06 AM, said:

Wait, the team behind this isn't even finalised??? My expectation level just dropped significantly; I thought they must have been working behind the scenes on this thing for some time before announcing it. This does at least explain the completely haphazard approach taken so far. I wish they'd taken the time to really think about this before announcing it :|

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what he meant. I would suggest listening to the last 5-10 minutes of the show. Maybe I'm misquoting.

[manuglass]

standing, on 21 April 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

I meant to say something about the interview. I don't know if the adore reissue is at all lucky13 territory, but: Billy mentioned that it would come out next record store day. albums have a season to them, AMD I cant think of a worse time to put out adore. its my favorite sp record AMD i never listen to it in spring or summer. that is a winter record all the way. to me it seems better that mcis and aeroplane should come out together in the summer. that will draw a ton of fans in, and THEN do adore during the holiday season.

Interesting thought... and totally true!

[TheLucky13]

Drevpile, on 22 April 2012 - 02:06 AM, said:

Wait, the team behind this isn't even finalised???

The team is finalized, though there is room for adding voices....which, I suppose, might mean "not finalized" to some. :happy:/>

[ChrisHill]

davidp2007, on 22 April 2012 - 04:05 AM, said:

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what he meant. I would suggest listening to the last 5-10 minutes of the show. Maybe I'm misquoting.

I think everything you said was quite accurate, if there was planning done before the announcement I don't see any evidence of it.

[Fernando]

TheLucky13, on 22 April 2012 - 06:49 AM, said:

The team is finalized, though there is room for adding voices....which, I suppose, might mean "not finalized" to some. :happy:/>

Call it "beta version". :happy:/>

[ShamanO]

so there will indeed be a "better" version?

[Copperpo5]

I'd like the actual video of this acoustic performace of Porcelina w/ John Popper on harmonica from 10/19/97:

I know Bridge School films and archives all of their benefit concerts. Not sure if they'd be cool to allow a clip to be put out though.....I know they strike any of their proshot stuff that ends up on youtube so they seem somewhat protective.

Either way that's a brilliant performance....

[ShamanO]

:shocked:/> wow this is soooo gooood.






I went strollling thru SPFC to get adore demo info.

and now I'm curious to know if there is an acoustic version of Once in a while.

I know people have talked about the rumor of Jimmy on Adore...clarification would be nice as it could be very interesting to hear.
I am curious to know what wasn't released from the Adore era. Have we heard everything or is there more demos since it says 40 odd demos

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The Pumpkins (with Matt Walker) supposedly recorded about 45 minutes worth of demos for the Batman soundtrack, so Guns of Love and Ethers Tragic are probably from that tape. Roughly 30 demos for the album Adore were also recorded at this time, so it's likely that both the Adore and Batman demos where recorded at this session; the album version of Annie-Dog was drawn from these sessions.

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Although Adore was mostly recorded at Studio 2 at Sunset Sound, many tracks were pieced together from other sessions at: Battery Studios, Bugg Studios, Chicago Recording Company, Sadlands, and Village Recorder. Waiting and Saturnine were merely unfinished song fragments. There are conflicting reports to as how much material was recorded; it has been suggested that there are approximately 14 or 15 more finished songs from the Adore sessions, but Neil Perry says that 40-odd songs or song fragments were recorded.

I'm thinking there are things we have not heard.

[link343]

Being a huge fan of the Infinite Sadness tour, here's a few dates I think "The Lucky 13" should check out.

• 1996-05-02 - Named by Billy in 2000 (during an interview before the United Center show) as one of the best show the band ever performed. Pretty standard set for the European leg, but the performance is extremely good. This is in no part due to the energy given off by the crowd, as they can be heard singing the lyric to pretty much every song in the set. Kerry Brown joins the band on Drums for both 1979 and Silverfuck.
  
• 1996-05-07 - The band plays in Birmingham, the birth place of Heavy Metal (home town of both Black Sabbath and Judas Priest). Various other Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Judas Priest teases played throughout show. Richard and Geno from Filter join the band during Silverfuck. Because Billy didn't want the show to end, Billy brought out various members of Filter and Jonathon for a jam session, including the only pre-hitus performance of Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.
  
• 1996-05-15 - The final show of the European Leg and the final Acoustic/Electric format of the tour. 19 of the 28 songs from Mellon Collie are performed. Jonathon plays drums Silverfuck. Has been requested many time before in this thread. It was filmed (by MTV?).
  
• 1996-12-10 - Supposedly filmed by Virgin for an projected home release (fan reviews mention banter about a "million dollar camera" filming the band). Pretty standard setlist for a late-96 show. Rare performance of The Aeroplane Flies High.

[whywontyoulisten]

I've listened to a handful of Infinite Sadness tour boots, but kept few, as the performances often sound so true to the album (actually a significant achievement) that it hardly seems worth having both.

[Martine Castonguay]

If I was a SP's member, I would be proud to have fans like you. Knowing so much of the music. :love:/>

[davidp2007]

ShamanO, on 22 April 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

:shocked:/> wow this is soooo gooood.






I went strollling thru SPFC to get adore demo info.

and now I'm curious to know if there is an acoustic version of Once in a while.

I know people have talked about the rumor of Jimmy on Adore...clarification would be nice as it could be very interesting to hear.
I am curious to know what wasn't released from the Adore era. Have we heard everything or is there more demos since it says 40 odd demos





I'm thinking there are things we have not heard.

Yeah I will be interesting to know what they have and what they don't have. I seem to remember something about some of the early Adore demos being completely scrapped (I think that include the early 1996 adore demos that we have not heard). But it has been so long since I looked at that info. I noticed that you quoted some info about some of the final recordings being pieced together from early sessions, that I thought I remembered reading, so thanks for reproducing the info here.

standing, on 21 April 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

I meant to say something about the interview. I don't know if the adore reissue is at all lucky13 territory, but: Billy mentioned that it would come out next record store day. albums have a season to them, AMD I cant think of a worse time to put out adore. its my favorite sp record AMD i never listen to it in spring or summer. that is a winter record all the way. to me it seems better that mcis and aeroplane should come out together in the summer. that will draw a ton of fans in, and THEN do adore during the holiday season.

I also wanted to say about different versions of songs in the archives: Billy said 12 takes of silverfuck would be boring. but also we want alt versions..maybe "takes" should be stayed away from unless it shows us something about the evolution of the song, or an alternate path for the song. just a fill in solo doesn't make enough difference.

That's an interesting take on things. For me, I generally associate Adore with the summer, because it was originally released on June 1 and 2 1998. I think Billy's description of it is 'arcane night music' is appropriate, as the feel is more conducive to the night, especially driving at night. But that doesn't mean I only listen to it at night. Siamese Dream is something I associated with summer too, since it has a deceptively bright sound to it and it was released originally on July 26, 1993 (if I remember correctly) but that reissue was released in November.

TheLucky13, on 22 April 2012 - 06:49 AM, said:

The team is finalized, though there is room for adding voices....which, I suppose, might mean "not finalized" to some. :happy:/>

That's what I got as the sense of the situation. So I was a bit surprised that Monte's interview made it sound like he was still sussing people out or whatever you want to call it. Maybe he was mixing tenses or something.

Fernando, on 22 April 2012 - 08:21 AM, said:

Call it "beta version". :happy:/>

Haha yep. I got the impression they started too or had assembled the team shortly before the announcement (I could be wrong) but Billy and co were eager to announce that this project was happening on Friday the 13th let people know what was going to happen.

[CoolAsIceCream]

cleric, on 16 April 2012 - 04:31 AM, said:

i vote that drevpile should replace the picture site girl in the lucky13 team

hello_juliana, on 16 April 2012 - 05:26 AM, said:

"sp picture site girl"?

That makes you seem pretty sexist . She is a grown woman who is helping to get everyone's voice heard, have some respect!

TheLucky13, on 16 April 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

It's ok Juliana - I don't need to be shown respect...I rather earn it.

hello_juliana, on 16 April 2012 - 06:57 AM, said:

You go girl!

umm ok well done juliana that doesn't make you pretty sexist :rolleyes:/>

[Sophie]

CoolAsIceCream, on 23 April 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

umm ok well done juliana that doesn't make you pretty sexist :rolleyes:/>

Uh oh. Look who's back and raring to go again :D/>.

[CoolAsIceCream]

seriously though, how silly to get all offended about someone calling an adult woman a "girl" (omg! so sexist!!!), only to do the same thing 90 minutes later.

way to go, guliana.

[.absof.]

So it's been almost four months since "Have Faithe, Be Merry". Is anything else gonna be released. Ever? Throw us a bone..