Radiohead got even better post OK computer and OK computer is nearly flawless...
ok computer was their masterpiece and pinnacle, and probably always will be.
Disagree completely, pablo honey aside, not that I could ever convince you otherwise. In Rainbows is their best album IMO.
They deserve every praise they get. There are plenty of other bands out there that genuinely do get unwarranted praise, not that it should really matter. Corgan only really gets blasted by Pitchfork and NME, other than that he gets pretty fair reviews (apart from the slating of Adore and to a lesser extent Machina).
anyway...with the bends and ok computer they mixed innovation, experimentation, great basic rock songwriting, dymanics, and some real emotion beneath the pointed obscurity, artsiness ans sarcasm. most of what they have done since then--specifically the whole kid a/amnesiac era that saw critics elevating them to godlike status--has been nothing BUT experimentation and art-for-art's-sake knob twiddling, consciously abandoning writing actual, linear, relateable SONGS and generally being a rock band.
if that gets you off, power to you. i can't connect with it at all. give me the bends, ok, about half of kid a (mostly side 2) and most of hail to the thief; you can keep the rest. they went from the promise of being an AMAZING band to being merely a sometimes-really good one.
I think that as-is, Oceania, Pale Horse, My Love Is Winter, and Pinwheels are excellent. I also think that so long as the production doesn't drag them under, these songs have the potential to stand up to the old material. Easy.
Quasar & Panopticon, not so much. I suppose Quasar is a good "intro song", but it just doesn't seem genuine, and doesn't go anywhere for me. Still decent. I'll take it over G.L.O.W. any day of the week. Panopticon is better, definitely. Just mildly mundane to my ears is all.
You can argue all you want, but the four songs I mentioned have the Pumpkins' vibe I so miss. Pale Horse is completely reminiscent of Adore in both its instrumentation & atmosphere, as well as its tear-jerker lyrics. Instrumentally, My Love Is Winter & Pinwheels sound gorgeous. They certainly blew me away live, and the live boots still send a warmness through me that I've not felt with BC since Machina/Machina II.
The title track may seem a bit choppy to some, but I think the unexpected twists & turns add to its appeal, rather than detract. And, well...there's this:
Best part from 1:48 to 5:11. The first like, minute or two especially.
wow...nothing of the new stuff has come close to "blowing me away", live or otherwise. and i was at that t5 show.
I think Pablo Honey is shit. I still love The Bends and most of OK Computer. I like about 1/2 of Kid A, and that is about it. They lost me at Amnesiac, I thought Hail to the Thief was just more of the same, In Rainbows is just fucking noise, and I have only
listened to heard, under protest, about 3 tracks on King of Limbs because I just don't care to give them any more of my time at this point, especially for an album even most diehard Radiohead fans seem to be trying reeeaaaally hard to like.
this is pretty much my exact view too, except for 2 points:
-ALL of ok computer is amazing.
-hail to the thief really is VERY different from kid a and amnesiac. more rock, more melody, more emotion, more energy, less bullshit. still a little long, and RELENTLESSLY dark (one thing i can't deal with in ANY band and something that makes the pumpkins and the cure both great and misunderstood)...try these again if you like: there there, 2+2=5, myxomatosis, wolf at the door.
which half of kid a, by the way? i quite like optimisitic, idioteque, morning bell, and motion picture soundtrack...the first two tracks drive me buggy and piss me off. the others are all "interesting" but not nearly as GOOD as critics want to tell you.
There is challenging the listener, and then there is the listener being too much of a pretentious hipster to admit to their pretentious hipster friends that they may not be as much of a hipster because they may not be utterly floored by something Radiohead has squeezed out. This is what I hate most about Radiohead, just their fanbase, and their refusal to admit when they don't like something. For example, a friend of mine, who is a HUGE Radiohead fan, and a HUGE hipster, said this exact quote when KoL came out. "I don't know what to think about it yet, I mean, um, it's A-MAAAZ-ING, because it's Radiohead, I just haven't gotten it yet. I need to listen to it a few more times, and then I'm sure I'll love it. I mean, I love it already, because it's Radiohead, I'm just not sure in what way yet." I said "You know, the world won't collapse on itself if you admit out loud that you don't like a Radiohead album."
haha EXACTLY...that guy is a douche.
in 1997, on the heels of the bends and ok computer, i was ENTHRALLED with radiohead. they'd become my 3rd favorite band and were a threat to the cure at #2, given the recent cure record and how fucking unreal okc was...but i was still honest enough when i heard kid a to be like "um...really? no. nuh-uh. this is not genius, this is not CLOSE to being as good as the last record, and this might not even be that good compared to ANYTHING." and i am old school and DO attach to artists i like loyally. but a spade still be a spade.
I'm anticipating their next album to be a record of pure silence, along with comments from fans of "hey, it's art! They're changing music as we know it!".
For the record, I like Radiohead, or at least their earlier work. The turning point for me was when OK Computer was released, they actually latched on to the fact that fans thought the likes of 'Fitter, Happier' was anything more than a joke, and realised that they could stop putting effort into making albums and instead produce obscure electronic sound collections. I liked them when they used actual skill to make music, when they played guitars. As far as I'm concerned 'Fitter, Happier', which is actually made by typing words into the Mac program SimpleText, takes zero skill to produce. I can type words into that program and call it a song, it doesn't mean it is one.
the words were a biting statement, though, and there was a reason they had a computer speak them. THAT song WAS "brilliant" innovation. not "everything in its right place" (inits riiiiight plaaaace...in its riiiight plaaace...in its riiiight....)", a song everyone went apeshit over.
Exactly. Did sb listen to the album... It's more tuneful than ok computer.
no, it isn't.