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buying a MCIS 3LP - black vinyl vs red vinyl

#1 james

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 09:48 PM

there's a red vinyl MCIS on ebay, which i haven't seen before. is it more valuable than a black vinyl version? thanks.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:21 PM

james, on 12 June 2012 - 09:48 PM, said:

there's a red vinyl MCIS on ebay, which i haven't seen before. is it more valuable than a black vinyl version? thanks.

Red is fake for sure. The black might be. If it has a number in a white box on the front cover then you should be ok. If it is less than 5000 then it would be the first issue. I am sure the collector extraodinaire of the frozen desert pseudonym will elaborate...

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 11:07 PM

ian28, on 12 June 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

[..] frozen desert [..]

That typo is a good one. :rofl:/>

Are you talking about that overpriced copy which I guess is a fake.
http://cgi.ebay.fr/L...=item5894189e90
- Coloured vinyl?
- No mention of the number in the description?
- This message in tiny tiny character on the right of the screen "ATTENTION:As we have often more than 1 copy in stock Some pictures are from discogs. So the picture you see is not necessarily the scan of the item being sold.Please check the Grading".
= I'm not selling n°0367
- The white booklet.
- Sent from Germany, the land of the fake MCIS (no offense).
- No pics of the booklet, no close up on the corners...

Shall I continue?

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 02:51 AM

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ian28, on 12 June 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

Red is fake for sure. The black might be. If it has a number in a white box on the front cover then you should be ok. If it is less than 5000 then it would be the first issue.

that's not entirely correct.

the real thing comes only on black vinyl, and has a white box on the front. but this white box doesn't have to contain a number.
if it has a number, then it's the first pressing (1996).
if it has no number, then it's the second pressing (1998, according to spfc.org).

bootlegs, without a white box on the front, come on black, red and yellow vinyl.
there are other ways to recognise a bootleg, but the missing white box is the easiest and clearest.

if an auction doesn't have a clear picture of the entire front of the sleeve, then you should assume the seller has hidden the lower right corner, because they know it's a bootleg. don't be silly and assume that it's "probably real".

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 06:57 AM

this is the one i'm looking at. if it's a bootleg i won't get it. http://www.ebay.com/...=item2a1e9636a4

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 09:23 AM

That one is junk, stay away from it.

Mine has the white box but no number, + I got it years ago before the boots started appearing on ebay. You'll get a decent one if you persevere

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 11:57 AM

http://www.smashingp...showtopic=18013

Check out this thread, kinda sums up the questions.

Like one said before, hold out for the right copy for yourself. These, however rare , do show up rather often on the eBay. Just when you find a copy you are interested in, do your research and then bid. In that posted thread there is a link you can identify a real one froma fake. I personally think it's cool to have a low numbered one myself as opposed to a blank box. But, to each their own. It is said that the unnumbered ones are actually rarer. But a physical number is freakin' sweet.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:07 PM

^i missed a few other auctions in the past week. one was unnumbered, one was number 12030 i think.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:11 AM

I find it amazing people STILL don't comprehend that the red ones are as valuable and wanted as syphilis.

Read: RED ONES ARE FAKE. FEEEUYK!

I'm gonna change my nickname to RedOnesAreFake. Damn, couldn't do that.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 08:59 AM

A certain record store from Chicago sells the black MCIS and Pisces fakes constantly. Stay awayyyyyyy... if it's too good a price, blah blah blah..... yeah, I got suckered.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 01:43 PM

StarsAtHome, on 15 June 2012 - 05:11 AM, said:

good stuff, man

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 11:28 PM

Can't wait until the reissues hit later this year.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 04:08 AM

james, on 13 June 2012 - 06:57 AM, said:

this is the one i'm looking at. if it's a bootleg i won't get it. http://www.ebay.com/...=item2a1e9636a4

hey. if you're the kind of person that doesn't mind spending $300 on a vinyl copy of mcis, i don't mind selling you one. a real one. with a number. let me know.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 06:32 AM

No Kidding, colored Vinyl is cool if it is a legitimate release. Or a bootleg of a live show. This not a bootleg but a flimsy "pirate" issue. Probably a shitty transfer, possibly an mp3 to boot. Official releases should be bought how they were intended. Feel sorry for the sap you bought that. Pretty to look at possibly....but.