[Kreatorkind]

I saw the band last night and I have to say, incredible performance. However, since when do people mosh anymore? It's one thing to enjoy yourself and jump up and down and have a good time. But when you're wasted and start throwing elbows and jumping around in circles, you're just being an asshole. You don't realize that there are OTHER people around you and you are not adding to their enjoyment of the band. Call it crazy, but most people don't like to be jumped on, shoved, knocked into and have beer spilled all over them. Besides that, one jump on someones foot could easily break bones. Here's a tip, moshing stopped being cool in 1994. Show a little courtesy and respect to the people who also paid good money to get in to the show. Show a little concern for the safety of the 500 people around you. In other words, quit being an asshole.

On a side note: There was a kick ass rock show on stage, right in front of you... it was being professionally photographed and filmed. PUT YOUR FUCKING iPhone AWAY AND WATCH THE FUCKING SHOW!

[/rant]

[soVerysadAboutyou]

that shit is obnoxious, but i'd almost rather have that happening than the concerts i've been to where the mopes just fucking stand there.

[monkeysnot]

Kreatorkind, on 15 June 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

moshing stopped being cool in 1994.

That's not true but I agree with the point you're making. It's stupid to mosh. There was once a mosh pit circle at a Death Cab for Cutie Concert I was at. Meth heads are what they looked like.

[Woody]

If Facebook doesn't know you're at a concert, did you really go though?

[trektheworld]

to be fair - maybe moshing isn't "cool" anymore, but i live to see the day where more moshing happens at shows simply because crowds are getting into the music and expressing their energy in some way. I'm so sick of seeing people standing around chatting, tweeting, holding up their cell phone cameras....fuck all of that! The 1st pumpkins show in '93 i went to it was a battle royale for who would survive being in that circle of hot and sticky people. you clawed your way to the front just to see your band up close. no water, no leaving the front. it was dedication. and the jumping and slamming into each other was a physical expression of how it felt to listen to a song like Silverfuck live and in-person. I'm 33 now, i have a wife and a 1 year old boy. I go see the pumpkins now and i see noone getting into a song like Bodies, or Zero or Windowpaine or whatever hard rocking song is out there...just standing around. I hope my kid gets to go to an "alternative" rock show in his day and get a little of that teen aggression out. I'd be happy to see some kids jumping around. I might join them for a minute, or I might be the older guy standing in the balcony because that's just what the older crowd does these days. So before you hate on the moshers, just remember what it feels like to be 17 years old and having hormones raging and aggression against your parents and being told what to do by everyone - then a song like X.Y.U. comes on - a song you haven't heard live before because when the MCIS tour came through you were only 11. I would be giving it all i had as well. Just enjoy it.

And if you're gonna mosh - don't throw elbows and try to physically mutilate other people, that's sadistic. Slam into someone, bump shoulders or whatever, but the second that the fists start flying it becomes a street brawl. You go see music and if you want to "dance" this way then dance, don't fight with you fellow fan.

Kreatorkind, on 15 June 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

I saw the band last night and I have to say, incredible performance. However, since when do people mosh anymore? It's one thing to enjoy yourself and jump up and down and have a good time. But when you're wasted and start throwing elbows and jumping around in circles, you're just being an asshole. You don't realize that there are OTHER people around you and you are not adding to their enjoyment of the band. Call it crazy, but most people don't like to be jumped on, shoved, knocked into and have beer spilled all over them. Besides that, one jump on someones foot could easily break bones. Here's a tip, moshing stopped being cool in 1994. Show a little courtesy and respect to the people who also paid good money to get in to the show. Show a little concern for the safety of the 500 people around you. In other words, quit being an asshole.

On a side note: There was a kick ass rock show on stage, right in front of you... it was being professionally photographed and filmed. PUT YOUR FUCKING iPhone AWAY AND WATCH THE FUCKING SHOW!

[/rant]

[Kreatorkind]

Woody, on 15 June 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:

If Facebook doesn't know you're at a concert, did you really go though?

:lol:/> I guess you'll have to take my word for it. :shiftyeyes:/>

[trektheworld]

Man, what a great quote! I hope you don't mind me passing that around and whispering that to the ears of the douchebags on facebook at the next concert i go to....

Woody, on 15 June 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:

If Facebook doesn't know you're at a concert, did you really go though?

[Kreatorkind]

trektheworld, on 15 June 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

to be fair - maybe moshing isn't "cool" anymore, but i live to see the day where more moshing happens at shows simply because crowds are getting into the music and expressing their energy in some way. I'm so sick of seeing people standing around chatting, tweeting, holding up their cell phone cameras....fuck all of that! The 1st pumpkins show in '93 i went to it was a battle royale for who would survive being in that circle of hot and sticky people. you clawed your way to the front just to see your band up close. no water, no leaving the front. it was dedication. and the jumping and slamming into each other was a physical expression of how it felt to listen to a song like Silverfuck live and in-person. I'm 33 now, i have a wife and a 1 year old boy. I go see the pumpkins now and i see noone getting into a song like Bodies, or Zero or Windowpaine or whatever hard rocking song is out there...just standing around. I hope my kid gets to go to an "alternative" rock show in his day and get a little of that teen aggression out. I'd be happy to see some kids jumping around. I might join them for a minute, or I might be the older guy standing in the balcony because that's just what the older crowd does these days. So before you hate on the moshers, just remember what it feels like to be 17 years old and having hormones raging and aggression against your parents and being told what to do by everyone - then a song like X.Y.U. comes on - a song you haven't heard live before because when the MCIS tour came through you were only 11. I would be giving it all i had as well. Just enjoy it.

And if you're gonna mosh - don't throw elbows and try to physically mutilate other people, that's sadistic. Slam into someone, bump shoulders or whatever, but the second that the fists start flying it becomes a street brawl. You go see music and if you want to "dance" this way then dance, don't fight with you fellow fan.

I understand what you're saying, except that form of moshing, as a real physical expression of the the music, devolved into just drunk assholes that wanted to slam into everyone. The real expression died out a long time ago. It's just what some people think you "do" at concerts. And just because someone isn't jumping up and down, doesn't mean they aren't REALLY into the music.

[Woody]

Haha. Be my guest. Feel free to also use it when people are taking pictures of their lunch.

[oryann]

Moshing is pointless and stupid. I've never been to a show where moshing took place, but I can imagine it's hard not to knock someone out... Just the thought of it annoys me.

[Reichljuice]

Woody, on 15 June 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Feel free to also use it when people are taking pictures of their lunch.

WHY DO PEOPLE DO THAT?? It drives me nuts.

[itswalter]

I saw Andrew WK recently and the WHOLE place was moshing, there was no where to stand without bumping into someone.

It was insane.

[Kreatorkind]

Someone was able to get a snapshot of the setlist when the crew was setting up, it was like 3 pages long. The Pumpkins played a pretty short set... all hits, except for Quasar/Panopticon, and ended with X.Y.U. I have a suspicion that they cut it short because the crowd was pretty lame. Of course, it was a charity show, and not everyone was there to see the Pumpkins... but I was hoping for a bit more from the new album.

[oryann]

Woody, on 15 June 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Haha. Be my guest. Feel free to also use it when people are taking pictures of their lunch.

hahaha! I HATE that. The generation of infinite sharing of information.. that thinks the world cares more than they do.

[DeepPurple]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/22051508.jpg

[Incurorish]

Heck, one of my fave concerts was "an evening with the smashing pumpkins" in 2007 or 08 at the Knoxville Theatre. Because of the venue you had to stand there. Yeah it kind of changes the atmosphere but I wasn't sweating (they had a/c unlike the Valarium), and I was having to fight off drunks running around throwing beer everywhere. Wow, I'm really starting to sound like my parents....

[agent_cooper]

Seems like you had a terrible time. sorry to hear.
I know what you mean but i partially disagree. Some people should definitely be more respectful true but SP still stands for rock 'n' roll in my book, not for popmusic, so I believe it's normal to pay a price if you really want to stand in the first 20 rows. I'm not talking moshing here (ugly word) but just dancing to it or jumping or whatever. If it were the 90's most of us wouldn't even survive anymore with this attitude... keep the spirit alive, drink like you're from belgium and give the band some energy back I say. As long as someone doesn't start pouring beer on purpose over fans with ipads i'm fine with it ;-)

[samuelmills]

Kreatorkind, on 15 June 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

I saw the band last night and I have to say, incredible performance. However, since when do people mosh anymore? It's one thing to enjoy yourself and jump up and down and have a good time. But when you're wasted and start throwing elbows and jumping around in circles, you're just being an asshole. You don't realize that there are OTHER people around you and you are not adding to their enjoyment of the band. Call it crazy, but most people don't like to be jumped on, shoved, knocked into and have beer spilled all over them. Besides that, one jump on someones foot could easily break bones. Here's a tip, moshing stopped being cool in 1994. Show a little courtesy and respect to the people who also paid good money to get in to the show. Show a little concern for the safety of the 500 people around you. In other words, quit being an asshole.

On a side note: There was a kick ass rock show on stage, right in front of you... it was being professionally photographed and filmed. PUT YOUR FUCKING iPhone AWAY AND WATCH THE FUCKING SHOW!

[/rant]

couldn't have said it better myself. how about those slutty girls who want to get to the front of the stage a minute before the show starts. "excuse me, can i get in front of you?" one time i put this poor "excuse me" girl in her place. i totally lost it, made her cry and everything. it was awesome.

if you wanna get to the front, do what normal people do and stand in line outside for hours before the show.

[frednirv632]

samuelmills, on 15 June 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

one time i put this poor "excuse me" girl in her place. i totally lost it, made her cry and everything. it was awesome.

if you wanna get to the front, do what normal people do and stand in line outside for hours before the show.

:cheers:/>

[Simon Belmont]

Yeah, it sucks...my wife and I went to see our favorite band's last show back in December and it was really important for us to be right in front. We had to stand there and get our asses kicked for 6 hours, like 7 other bands were playing that night. My wife got her face slammed into a monitor, and I got kicked in the face a few times and kept having people land directly on my head, my neck wouldn't bend properly for days after that. Totally ended up being worth it, but what a pain in the ass. I hate that I can't go to a show and enjoy the music without holding my arms over my head for hours to keep from being seriously injured.

[themadcaplaughs]

It's just you.

[.absof.]

Kreatorkind, on 15 June 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

On a side note: There was a kick ass rock show on stage, right in front of you... it was being professionally photographed and filmed. PUT YOUR FUCKING iPhone AWAY AND WATCH THE FUCKING SHOW!

I agree with your main rant but not this statement. People should be able to have their own personal memories.

And, just because it was professionally filmed doesn't guarantee we'll see it in the next 13 years. :rolleyes:/>

[Gr3g3]

samuelmills, on 15 June 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

couldn't have said it better myself. how about those slutty girls who want to get to the front of the stage a minute before the show starts. "excuse me, can i get in front of you?" one time i put this poor "excuse me" girl in her place. i totally lost it, made her cry and everything. it was awesome.

if you wanna get to the front, do what normal people do and stand in line outside for hours before the show.

Yesss! So did I. Maybe not as mean as you, but it was so satisfying.

[Kreatorkind]

.absof., on 15 June 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

I agree with your main rant but not this statement. People should be able to have their own personal memories.

And, just because it was professionally filmed doesn't guarantee we'll see it in the next 13 years. :rolleyes:/>

:rofl:/> You mean you haven't seen the Metro DVD?? :p/>

I understand what you mean. I agree to a point. I snapped a few photos myself, I'm more irritated by the people holding their phones up for the whole show.

I didn't have a terrible time. It was fun. I think I would have enjoyed it more if it was a crowd that was there to exclusively see the Pumpkins, but it was 3 hours before they went on. The preceding music would mainly be enjoyed by the type of person that thinks Jim Belushi is funny. Company of Thieves and Fig were good though. I guess it would have been very different if the crowd didn't have 3 hours to get wasted before the main event.

[KidCorgan]

There is moshing, and then there are assholes. Moshing is obnoxious when assholes do it.

Moshing itself can be great though. It really depends on who the band is. Slipknot, Pumpkins, A7X, are some bands notorious for asshole fans that have awful pits. However some bands, Coheed and Cambria for example, have amazing pits where guys and gals bond in harmonious unified expression.

[dudehitscar]

I hope someday concert venues have special sections for people who want to slam around.

[frosty]

i don't like being around people anyway so i always end up being annoyed by something at concerts.

i look around to see all the new faces but i don't like my personal spaces violated.

lol typo

[Take92]

I still think that there's a positive, inclusive way to do it right. But I understand this interpretation as well...

[KidCorgan]

dudehitscar, on 15 June 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

I hope someday concert venues have special sections for people who want to slam around.

They do. It's in the middle of the crowd behind the front several rows of people. Sometimes it's as much as 15 feet away from the stage. It's pretty easy to avoid these places if you want to keep to yourself. I plan ahead if I'm at a show I want to relax at and place myself accordingly.

[frosty]

i agree with the person who said they sometimes like to just sit & watch. sometimes i'm exhausted from traveling a long way. other times, i'm just taking it all in & enjoying.

[dudehitscar]

KidCorgan, on 15 June 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

They do. It's in the middle of the crowd behind the front several rows of people. Sometimes it's as much as 15 feet away from the stage. It's pretty easy to avoid these places if you want to keep to yourself. I plan ahead if I'm at a show I want to relax at and place myself accordingly.

This is a flat out lie.

[Burma8]

Incurorish, on 15 June 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

Heck, one of my fave concerts was "an evening with the smashing pumpkins" in 2007 or 08 at the Knoxville Theatre. Because of the venue you had to stand there. Yeah it kind of changes the atmosphere but I wasn't sweating (they had a/c unlike the Valarium), and I was having to fight off drunks running around throwing beer everywhere. Wow, I'm really starting to sound like my parents....

I saw them @ the Valarium in '10. It was hot as fuck. Sweat was running down Billy's elbows like a waterfall. I remember him comparing it to 'the Amazon' - which I found delightful because @ the Mud Island show in Memphis a couple years earlier he fucked up on 1979 a couple times and blamed it on the cold, wet weather comparing it to the North Poll. Sorry, I'm buzzed and recognized a reference to my region.

[gargoyle socks]

I was at both of those shows too :)/> They were both great! Where do you live? I'm right outside of Memphis.

[Whicker]

I'm only 22 and I can say I hate moshers... I pay a lot money to go see bands(and most of the time have to drive 5 hours to Toronto) and I want to stand there or jump with the crowd(depending on the band/song) and enjoy the music and experience without having to fight for my life to not get myself or my girlfriend crushed. It sucks, ive actually missed 20-30 minutes of concerts because I'm straining with every muscle to keep my GF from getting crushed while in front. You can argue that I should have just went to the back where there's less commotion but when you get there 3 hours early and manage to get an amazing spot in the front ish row you don't want to give that up. I've actually started contemplating just getting seated for concerts from now on, you don't have to get there early and you don't have to deal with the crowd.

The only concert where I had absolutely no problems was QOTSA lol, but I think they call it stoner rock for a reason, that was probably the most weed ive ever seen at a concert and it certainly did its part to mellow everyone out!

[trektheworld]

they do, it's call the front - general admission - anyone who doesn't want to can stand around the outside or the back or the top rails, balcony, whatever....

it's not 1993, but if you look at the crowd during the Geek USA performance on the Vieuphoria video - that is all i used to know at concerts....a sea of people giving it all back to the band. If you want to get to the front, you fought for that space. I'm not going to wait in line 3 hours ahead of time for that view, if i want that nowadays i'll just pull it up on youtube. I just feel bad for the band. Imagine Billy playing for a crowd like the one in that video i mentioned and playing for a crowd nowadays. It's got to be a totally bizarre experience for him.

Imagine being a guy like Jerry Garcia playing for a bunch of hippies in a field all getting their groove on and then playing for a guy standing right in your front of your face with an Iphone pointed at you - for the entire time you play - and not moving a muscle. It would take a lot of LSD to see the point in that...

dudehitscar, on 15 June 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

I hope someday concert venues have special sections for people who want to slam around.

[Whicker]

trektheworld, on 15 June 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

they do, it's call the front - general admission - anyone who doesn't want to can stand around the outside or the back or the top rails, balcony, whatever....

it's not 1993, but if you look at the crowd during the Geek USA performance on the Vieuphoria video - that is all i used to know at concerts....a sea of people giving it all back to the band. If you want to get to the front, you fought for that space. I'm not going to wait in line 3 hours ahead of time for that view, if i want that nowadays i'll just pull it up on youtube. I just feel bad for the band. Imagine Billy playing for a crowd like the one in that video i mentioned and playing for a crowd nowadays. It's got to be a totally bizarre experience for him.

Imagine being a guy like Jerry Garcia playing for a bunch of hippies in a field all getting their groove on and then playing for a guy standing right in your front of your face with an Iphone pointed at you - for the entire time you play - and not moving a muscle. It would take a lot of LSD to see the point in that...

There can be a lot of energy without having people throw themselves against innocent spectators with reckless abandon...

[amu1167]

Sorry, I was in there with them :awklove:/>

Maybe it's the era a grew up in, but I can't stand still if I'm enjoying a show, and can't understand people who do. The guys jumping around by me were purely having a great time, and not trying to inflict pain or injury upon anyone, which has typically been the case in most mosh pits I've ever been in. They even repeatedly asked if I was ok, lol. I was more perturbed by the drunk guy who kept putting his arm around me than the guys slamming around and enjoying the songs. I guess I sort of expect that sort of thing to happen at shows, esp if you're standing up front.

[Burma8]

gargoyle socks, on 15 June 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

I was at both of those shows too :)/> They were both great! Where do you live? I'm right outside of Memphis.

I live in Cookeville for now but am moving to Grand Forks, ND soon and am worried that I will have a difficult time catching the tour this summer. Right now I can to Knoxville, Nashville, or Memphis practically but up there it might be more of a trek. I guess if they go to Minneapolis I might make it but that's still a five hour drive one way :/

Sorry. In the interest of staying on topic, I got kicked in the face a couple of times by crowd surfers and watched a poor whacked-out guy get the shit beat out of him while on the floor of an Alice and Chains concert a couple of years ago and I gotta say I prefer less physical musical performances.

[Kreatorkind]

amu1167, on 15 June 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

Sorry, I was in there with them :awklove:/>

Maybe it's the era a grew up in, but I can't stand still if I'm enjoying a show, and can't understand people who do. The guys jumping around by me were purely having a great time, and not trying to inflict pain or injury upon anyone, which has typically been the case in most mosh pits I've ever been in. They even repeatedly asked if I was ok, lol. I was more perturbed by the drunk guy who kept putting his arm around me than the guys slamming around and enjoying the songs. I guess I sort of expect that sort of thing to happen at shows, esp if you're standing up front.

Jumping around is fine... throwing elbows, swinging your arms around and shoving people... not fine. You were one of the people jumping around and having a good time. That was fine, no problem. Please don't think I was talking about you! I had a problem with the people about 20 feet to your left.

[PumpkinHarvest]

Every concert is certainly a different experience. Most of us have been to those that's just nut where everyone is moshing to the point it's dangerous. Then there are those shows where you wonder if there is people around you it's so quiet. A few have been mixed while very few have had a happy medium. I personally don't have a problem with moshing at long as it's not harmful to others or ruins the experience of others.

[MrLee192]

Id much rather people still moshed. Nothing more boring than a dead ass crowd that aint up for it. Id also rather moshing than that lame ass circle pit lame dancing kids do at metal gigs in UK atm, not sure if they do it in the states.

[Dawn2Dusk]

Maybe the majority of people attending are not into moshing anymore, my guess us that most of them were in their late 20s/early 30s. And yes people recording the whole thing with their iphones deserve to be punched in the face.

[Kreatorkind]

Dawn2Dusk, on 16 June 2012 - 08:00 AM, said:

Maybe the majority of people attending are not into moshing anymore, my guess us that most of them were in their late 20s/early 30s. And yes people recording the whole thing with their iphones deserve to be punched in the face.

Well, to be fair, there were several conditions that were not the fault of the crowd. The balcony was closed off to all but VIPs, and the preceding three hours were pretty boring, so, everyone was just drinking a lot. Then the Pumpkins come out and play a Kiss song, then Zero, then Bullet... there was sort of a dam-bursting of energy. So, in retrospect, I can see why some people got carried away.

[pixiejoy]

i was there with mr. kk, whom i would like to thank for helping to defend me from the assholes.

these 8 or so dunk-ass kids were just there to be dicks. they were not pumpkins fans, nor were they even there to just listen to some good music. they were asshole kids… i’m guessing one of their CEO daddies got them tickets. they rushed to the front, pushing, shoving and throwing elbows to get there, as the pumpkins were taking the stage. lucky for me, that was just to my left. they immediately passed around a joint. now, i’m all for the mj, but they blow the smoke so it wafts right across the stage. i'm sure billy just loved that. i WISH i could have jumped and danced and woo-ed and \m/-ed… who wouldn’t jump to 1979 come one!!... but i was busy protecting myself… literally.

i stood for three in a half hours in front of billy’s mic, listening to crap music (except for the figs yeah!!), awful comedians (really jeff garlin… tom skilling would be there to blow himself? that’s comedy?) and watching the privileged people in the balcony bid tens of thousands of dollars on golfing with bill murray. just to be shoved out of the way by these little disrespectful dickweeds. The pumpkins show was incredible as always, but it really wasn’t a true pumpkins show. The audience was just awful. it pisses me off that there was so much disrespect in my city in my house with my band.

thank you for letting me rant. i will go back into hiding now.

This post has been edited by pixiejoy: 16 June 2012 - 09:49 AM