[novisad]

The purpose of the thread is to document Oceania's performance in the album charts of the U.S. and other countries where data is available. While this may not be too important, it's nice to see our dear album at the top...

It's too early for any chart data, but right now, 24 hrs after release day, Oceania is the #1 selling album on amazon.com in the categories of 'Alternative Rock' and 'Adult Alternative'.



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Number of downloads: 5

[KingBelteshazzar]

cool. i hope it does reasonably well.

[Feriluce]

Oh wow, didn't noticed that when I checked in to write a review there. Nice. :cheers:/>

[Inertia]

I wonder how well it's gonna sell.

[awsmsc]

The itunes and amazon charts, lol, I feel so old.

[afroguy10]

In Amazon UK at the moment it's,

#1 in Rock
#1 in Indie and
#13 in Pop

Not bad :yes:/>.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Imagine the shit storm that will brew if it charts higher than The King of Limbs did.

[themadcaplaughs]

Corgan has said that he is happy with the album and considers it a success based solely on the positive response it's gotten, but I do not think any of would not feel vindicated at seeing this do well on the charts.

[paulandgemm]

current itunes charts -

US #3
US Alt #1

UK #22
UK Alt #3

Ireland #10

Portugal #1

Pleasing stats! great start..

[DeepPurple]

Well, Oceania came out the same week as Justin Biebers new album, so I doubt it has much of a shot of debuting at #1, especially considering the amount of 12 year old girls with shitty taste in music on the planet. Anything in the top 5 would be impressive though, and a total victory for the Pumpkins. I will have a small stroke if it comes ahead of Bieber in first week sales.

[eyeboogers]

paulandgemm, on 21 June 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

current itunes charts -

US #3
US Alt #1

UK #22
UK Alt #3

Ireland #10

Portugal #1

Pleasing stats! great start..

Denmark(iTunes) #11
(the danish store does not have the record streaming for some reason. The top 10 consists of compilations and Bieber).

[chrisothoulos]

just goes to show you that the young 10-16 year olds really use the internets like crazy

on Itunes there is almost 500 pages of reviews and 14,000+ ratings of the new Bieber album...

Oceania has 22 pages of reviews and 700+ ratings
Kenny Chesney is about the same as SP
Fiona Apple has like only9 pages of reviews and 300 ratings

All came out on Tuesday
lol

[Fernando]

iTunes Store Top 10 Albums

#1 Portugal
#2 New Zealand
#3 US
#4 Italy
#9 France
#10 Germany
#10 Ireland
#10 Japan

iTunes Store Top 10 Alternative Albums


#1 US
#1 Italy
#1 Finland
#1 Portugal
#2 Japan
#2 France
#2 Denmark
#2 Sweden
#2 Switzerland
#2 New Zealand
#3 UK
#3 Germany
#3 Spain
#3 Austria
#3 Ireland
#5 Belgium
#6 Greece
#10 Netherlands

iTunes Store Top 10 Rock Albums

#1 Canada

iTunes Store Top 10 Rock Songs

#3 The Celestials | #9 Violet Rays - Canada

[simontreal]

The album is #2 in iTunes Canada top 100 since its release.

[Razorstar]

DeepPurple, on 21 June 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

Well, Oceania came out the same week as Justin Biebers new album, so I doubt it has much of a shot of debuting at #1, especially considering the amount of 12 year old girls with shitty taste in music on the planet. Anything in the top 5 would be impressive though, and a total victory for the Pumpkins. I will have a small stroke if it comes ahead of Bieber in first week sales.

I think that was always unlikely anyway, even Zeitgeist riding on the comeback goodwill, a HUGE marketing push from Warner, a really good upfront single, some pretty favourable reviews (which a lot of people forget) and a song on the Transformers soundtrack could only manage #2 in the US. This is much more of a word-of-mouth thing, there's nowhere near the marketing Zeitgeist had. That it's doing as well as it is is pretty amazing, and testimony to word of the mouth of a good record.

[JSapp]

I'd say all things considered, sales have been impressive so far but its the critical reception that BC has to be the most pleased with. I think critical praise means more to him at this point. I'm really happy for the band. And for us success= more tour dates/more future releases :happy:/>

[Feriluce]

Razorstar, on 21 June 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:

I think that was always unlikely anyway, even Zeitgeist riding on the comeback goodwill, a HUGE marketing push from Warner, a really good upfront single, some pretty favourable reviews (which a lot of people forget) and a song on the Transformers soundtrack could only manage #2 in the US. This is much more of a word-of-mouth thing, there's nowhere near the marketing Zeitgeist had. That it's doing as well as it is is pretty amazing, and testimony to word of the mouth of a good record.

Yeah considering it is a lot of word of mouth 'promoting' it is doing great.

[Simon Belmont]

We should do a side by side against Zeitgeist, and also, if someone could work on calculating the total downloads of each individual TBK song, combine them into one average number to equal total full album downloads (assuming TBK songs 1-10 = 1 full album), then come up with an algorithm, using repeat listens and time passed from release to first listen per individual, to determine overall interest, and therefore likelihood of an actual album purchase vs. a free download, then arrange this data in an easy-to-read regional bar graph, color-coded for each album, red for ZG, green for TBK, blue for Oceania.


Someone work on that.

[afroguy10]

:lol:/>

[Burma8]

Simon Belmont, on 21 June 2012 - 11:26 AM, said:

We should do a side by side against Zeitgeist, and also, if someone could work on calculating the total downloads of each individual TBK song, combine them into one average number to equal total full album downloads (assuming TBK songs 1-10 = 1 full album), then come up with an algorithm, using repeat listens and time passed from release to first listen per individual, to determine overall interest, and therefore likelihood of an actual album purchase vs. a free download, then arrange this data in an easy-to-read regional bar graph, color-coded for each album, red for ZG, green for TBK, blue for Oceania.


Someone work on that.

Not it!

[vescret]

Simon Belmont, on 21 June 2012 - 11:26 AM, said:

We should do a side by side against Zeitgeist, and also, if someone could work on calculating the total downloads of each individual TBK song, combine them into one average number to equal total full album downloads (assuming TBK songs 1-10 = 1 full album), then come up with an algorithm, using repeat listens and time passed from release to first listen per individual, to determine overall interest, and therefore likelihood of an actual album purchase vs. a free download, then arrange this data in an easy-to-read regional bar graph, color-coded for each album, red for ZG, green for TBK, blue for Oceania.


Someone work on that.

well you know what to do
get on it!

[simontreal]

From billboard :

"Also headed for the top 10: Smashing Pumpkins' "Oceania," with around 50,000 copies. It could mark the band's seventh top 10 album, and will follow 2007's No. 2-peaking "Zeitgeist.""

Maybe #6 ?





Complete article :

http://www.billboard...007407952.story

Justin Bieber's new "Believe" album is still on course for the largest debut sales week of the year, as industry sources say the set will move between 390,000 and 410,000 copies by week's end on Sunday, June 24. "Believe" will easily debut at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 next week.



That start is scaled back a bit from the range of 410,000 to 440,000 that some in-the-know had forecasted on Wednesday, June 20. However, as we've noted previously, estimating sales is tricky and projections can change on a daily basis.



The new Billboard 200's top 10 will be revealed on the morning of Wednesday, June 27.



Also on tap to score a big bow next week: Kenny Chesney's "Welcome to the Fishbowl," with around 200,000. It seems a likely lock for a debut in the runner-up slot. His last album, 2010's "Hemingway's Whiskey," entered at No. 1 with 183,000 sold according to Nielsen SoundScan.



Usher's current No. 1 on the Billboard 200, "Looking 4 Myself," might end up in the No. 3 slot next week, while Fiona Apple's new "The Idler Wheel . . ." is eyeing a top five debut. Sources say it will sell around 60,000 to 70,000 copies.



Also headed for the top 10: Smashing Pumpkins' "Oceania," with around 50,000 copies. It could mark the band's seventh top 10 album, and will follow 2007's No. 2-peaking "Zeitgeist."



On Nielsen SoundScan's Building chart (below), Bieber is No. 1, followed by Chesney, Usher and Apple at Nos. 2-4, respectively. The Building tally is a precursor to the final Billboard 200 ranking -- reflecting the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week as reported by six major merchants. Adele's unstoppable "21" is No. 5, while Smashing Pumpkins' "Oceania" is No. 6.



Rounding out the Building Chart's top 10 are the "Rock of Ages" soundtrack (No. 7), Rush's "Clockwork Angels" (No. 8), One Direction's "Up All Night" (No. 9) and Josh Turner's "Punching Bag" (No. 10)



Nielsen SoundScan Building Chart
Rank LW
BB 200 Artist Title
1 NEW Justin Bieber "Believe"
2 NEW Kenny Chesney "Welcome to the Fishbowl"
3 1 Usher "Looking 4 Myself"
4 NEW Fiona Apple "The Idler Wheel . . ."
5 3 Adele "21"
6 NEW Smashing Pumpkins "Oceania"
7 9 Soundtrack "Rock of Ages"
8 2 Rush "Clockwork Angels"
9 6 One Direction "Up All Night"
10 4 Josh Turner "Punching Bag"

[afroguy10]

Fucking One Direction, some of us in this country are sorry for that one :(/>.

[astralweeks]

The Pumpkins are a veteran rock band with a loyal fanbase. The album is going to chart high the first week, then free fall for the next month or so unless there's a hit single..

that's how it always works

[Reichljuice]

I'd love to know how well the week-early stream did as far as how many streams were recorded.
I hope after The Celestials turns some heads they'll release another single or two giving the album some longevity on the charts.
It'd be really cool to see a song on the album be a stand-out single and blow up. Then we can read all the headlines "Smashing Pumpkins come back from obscurity, blow up with new single" from MTV and crap.

[eyeboogers]

Yep, time to unleash "My Love Is Winter". I'm surprised that Fiona Apple's record is placing higher. It's a far cry from Zeitgeists first week sales(145.000) but that was to be expected. I suppose it's possible that good word of mouth, a single, a video and the fall tour could push "Oceania" above "Zeitgeist" sales wise over time.

[Reichljuice]

eyeboogers, on 23 June 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

Yep, time to unleash "My Love Is Winter". I'm surprised that Fiona Apple's record is placing higher. It's a far cry from Zeitgeists first week sales(145.000) but that was to be expected. I suppose it's possible that good word of mouth, a single, a video and the fall tour could push "Oceania" above "Zeitgeist" sales wise over time.

My Love Is Winter NEEDS to be the breakthrough single.
I still haven't listened to the new Fiona Apple album, I have it right here, but SOMETHING has been taking up all my time.

[KLUDE]

It's time to make a video for violet rays !

[chemicalbehavior]

According the BBC's Radio 1 chart Oceania debuted at #19. UK Albums chart

http://ist1-4.filesor.com/pimpandhost.com/1/_/_/_/1/1/5/j/E/15jEJ/19.jpg

This isn't an independent retailer chart like those that have been mentioned so far in this thread, this is the actual chart of the country. I'm surprised the album debuted so low there. I believe all other Pumpkin albums have been top ten, if not top five there.

[whywontyoulisten]

Are you kidding me? Top 20 is fucking amazing for this shithole country. It might even appear in supermarket CD racks now.

[DeepPurple]

Oceania will do just fine in the long run. Its an album that more people will discover over time. It was never going to chart big in the beginning, so no big surprise there.

On a different note, I cant understand how people listen to Fiona Apple. Different strokes and all, but iv'e never liked anything she's done. There's something so grating about her to me. Its kind of a :scatch:/> situation for me to see that people like her.

[afroguy10]

whywontyoulisten, on 24 June 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

Are you kidding me? Top 20 is fucking amazing for this shithole country. It might even appear in supermarket CD racks now.

Yeah, the top 10 here is full of Beiber, Cole, Adele (who I don't mind) and Now Thats What I Calls... So #19 is actually alright for the fact it has almost been a word of mouth record :yes:/>.

[chemicalbehavior]

whywontyoulisten, on 24 June 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

Are you kidding me? Top 20 is fucking amazing for this shithole country. It might even appear in supermarket CD racks now.

Idk, barely charting in the top 20 isn't "fucking amazing" for a group of the caliber of TSP in light of the amount of exposure the group gets due to Billy's outspoken nature and for the fact that it's TSP.

Maybe there wasn't as much promotion done in the UK, but I find it odd that the group's previous albums (including Zeitgeist) made top ten while Oceania peaks at 19.

[pastup]

fucking maroon 5... :wtf:/>

[afroguy10]

chemicalbehavior, on 24 June 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Idk, barely charting in the top 20 isn't "fucking amazing" for a group of the caliber of TSP in light of the amount of exposure the group gets due to Billy's outspoken nature and for the fact that it's TSP.

Maybe there wasn't as much promotion done in the UK, but I find it odd that the group's previous albums (including Zeitgeist) made top ten while Oceania peaks at 19.

No one really cares about TSP here anymore, it's a sad fact, the British media is tending to focus on reunions of our own 90's bands (The Stone Roses, Blur etc.). The only time I've seen mention of Billy in a paper over here was when Zeitgeist released, when Jessica Simpson was interviewed in a paper and the advert for the UK tour.

Apart from getting album of the week on BBC 6 Radio and hearing Quasar played on the Steve Lamaq show there hasn't been much in promotion either, as I said, mostly word of mouth.

[Razorstar]

19 in the UK. That's not too bad- with absolutely NO marketing push in this country and a huge dip in interest since the last one, the mainstream media has been pretty sceptical of Billy here. Zeitgeist hit 4 and then dropped straight out, but that was supported by Warner spending a fortune on the marketing (I was working there at the time). There's been very little product spend here- I've seen no train-station ads or posters, it's all been word-of-mouth and good will.

I think the reviews should sustain sales for bit as well, as word spreads.

I think it's going to need either a tour, a decent TV or movie sync, a radio hit or a strong viral video to push it after that though.

[chemicalbehavior]

Razorstar, on 24 June 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

19 in the UK. That's not too bad- with absolutely NO marketing push in this country and a huge dip in interest since the last one, the mainstream media has been pretty sceptical of Billy here. Zeitgeist hit 4 and then dropped straight out, but that was supported by Warner spending a fortune on the marketing (I was working there at the time).

Since you were working at Warner when Zeigeist was released, could you share some of the inner details that go on at record company when an upcoming album is getting a push? I'm always intrigued by these things.

[Razorstar]

chemicalbehavior, on 24 June 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

Since you were working at Warner when Zeigeist was released, could you share some of the inner details that go on at record company when an upcoming album is getting a push? I'm always intrigued by these things.

Sure, I've also worked for Sony and on various campaigns for most of the major labels. It is, basically, awful. I'm quite happy to have left it behind!

What do you want to know?

[chemicalbehavior]

Razorstar, on 24 June 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

Sure, I've also worked for Sony and on various campaigns for most of the major labels. It is, basically, awful. I'm quite happy to have left it behind!

What do you want to know?

Just whatever you have to share regarding the excitement or enthusiasm that comes with an album that's receiving a legitimate push verses and album that the label isn't much interested in. Like are temps actually brought in the augment the staff leading to a release, or are there parties/celebrations when an album debuts at #1 or is certified gold/platinum. Those kinds of things, or of course any anecdotal experiences that immediately come to mind.

Did you work at the Warner Bros. in Burbank off the 34 freeway?

[Razorstar]

chemicalbehavior, on 24 June 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

Just whatever you have to share regarding the excitement or enthusiasm that comes with an album that's receiving a legitimate push verses and album that the label isn't much interested in. Like are temps actually brought in the augment the staff leading to a release, or are there parties/celebrations when an album debuts at #1 or is certified gold/platinum. Those kinds of things, or of course any anecdotal experiences that immediately come to mind.

Did you work at the Warner Bros. in Burbank off the 34 freeway?

No, i'm based in the UK.

Hardly anything is really done in-house at labels anymore, at any of the majors anyway (some of the indies still have in-house teams). The label will have a product manager, who will recruit external agencies to work on each element of the campaign: PR (online, local and national can all be different agencies), Social Media, Digital Marketing, Local radio, National radio, TV pluggers, marketing and ads, live promotion and some other stuff. Obviously every agency will be working for other clients as well, and some will definitely be prioritised above others. There'll all be clamouring for time with the artist, all trying to get their resources in. At this point it's often down to how much the artist wants to be personally involved in a territory as to how much of a priority is given.

I don't think a lot of this has been engaged on the Oceania campaign- I haven't seen much in the way of proper marketing at all, which leads me to think EMI are seeing this as a low financial priority, probably just ticking the boxes. There's nothing innovative being done on FB or Twitter, I haven't seen many TV spots. The stuff that costs hard money. The print and radio campaigns do seem to be going well though, because they relies on good will, decent music and good relationships between accopunt managers, artists and media bookers/journalists.

There may well be temps brought in for this sort of thing by the various agencies but rarely by the labels.

Things do get celebrated, I remember the head of Warner personally sending around boxes of donuts and crates of beer when the third Muse album came out, which was nice.

I've also worked on campaigns where it's been the same label (it was Geffen in this case) using basically the same group of people to market two different releases. One was the 'Hot' new Boyband, about to make a splash and have their first major hit, the other a somewhat faded popstar whose numbers werent looking good. I can tell you the energy and enthusiasm for those two campaigns was wildly different. A campaign that isn't going well loses momentum as everyone involved becomes disheartened.

Times are also tough in the industry and there's low resources- I was working for a marketing agency and at one point was juggling 16 different artists promotional campaigns all at various stages, was told which to prioritise in terms of time.

[chemicalbehavior]

Razorstar, on 24 June 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

No, i'm based in the UK.

Hardly anything is really done in-house at labels anymore, at any of the majors anyway (some of the indies still have in-house teams). The label will have a product manager, who will recruit external agencies to work on each element of the campaign: PR (online, local and national can all be different agencies), Social Media, Digital Marketing, Local radio, National radio, TV pluggers, marketing and ads, live promotion and some other stuff. Obviously every agency will be working for other clients as well, and some will definitely be prioritised above others. There'll all be clamouring for time with the artist, all trying to get their resources in. At this point it's often down to how much the artist wants to be personally involved in a territory as to how much of a priority is given.

I don't think a lot of this has been engaged on the Oceania campaign- I haven't seen much in the way of proper marketing at all, which leads me to think EMI are seeing this as a low financial priority, probably just ticking the boxes. There's nothing innovative being done on FB or Twitter, I haven't seen many TV spots. The stuff that costs hard money. The print and radio campaigns do seem to be going well though, because they relies on good will, decent music and good relationships between accopunt managers, artists and media bookers/journalists.

There may well be temps brought in for this sort of thing by the various agencies but rarely by the labels.

Things do get celebrated, I remember the head of Warner personally sending around boxes of donuts and crates of beer when the third Muse album came out, which was nice.

I've also worked on campaigns where it's been the same label (it was Geffen in this case) using basically the same group of people to market two different releases. One was the 'Hot' new Boyband, about to make a splash and have their first major hit, the other a somewhat faded popstar whose numbers werent looking good. I can tell you the energy and enthusiasm for those two campaigns was wildly different. A campaign that isn't going well loses momentum as everyone involved becomes disheartened.

Times are also tough in the industry and there's low resources- I was working for a marketing agency and at one point was juggling 16 different artists promotional campaigns all at various stages, was told which to prioritise in terms of time.

Cool, thanks for the insight.

I'm amazed how much work the labels outsource the campaign. Lends the whole process to becoming hopelessly complicated and I'm sure things get lost in the mix up and accountability (much to an artist's frustration I'm sure).

I worked at a relatively small engineering company for years and things would get lost in translation between the parent company and the ones we outsourced for labor and production, so from what you're telling me it seems like that would only be magnified by the amount of outsourcing that goes behind a legitimate album campaign.

[Razorstar]

chemicalbehavior, on 24 June 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

Cool, thanks for the insight.

I'm amazed how much work the labels outsource the campaign. Lends the whole process to becoming hopelessly complicated and I'm sure things get lost in the mix up and accountability (much to an artist's frustration I'm sure).

I worked at a relatively small engineering company for years and things would get lost in translation between the parent company and the ones we outsourced for labor and production, so from what you're telling me it seems like that would only be magnified by the amount of outsourcing that goes behind a legitimate album campaign.

It's a financial thing alas. Times are hard, it's cheaper to outsource. Most label staff are freelance too, meaning they can be let go without any massive problems. It's a weird time to work in the music biz.

[chemicalbehavior]

Razorstar, on 24 June 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

It's a financial thing alas. Times are hard, it's cheaper to outsource. Most label staff are freelance too, meaning they can be let go without any massive problems. It's a weird time to work in the music biz.

I think a lot of corporations are going the way of outsourcing, hiring freelancers and perma-temps in place of full time workers.

Alas, that's the state of the world we live in today. :(/>

[Popplagid]

The thing is; with your One Direction's and Justin Bieber's, obviously they are Flavour of the Month and as the fan base matures, the novelty of the music disappears, and so does the artist. The royalties dry up, and then they're living out of a trailer park. More established can (usually) count on years of future sales. It's not like Mellon Collie was released in 1995, hit #1 and then no more copies were sold.

I've hated pop acts like this all my life, but the point is, they are not going to go away. Fuck it. Find a band, support the shit out of it, and you'll win in the end.

Generic 1995 pop act LP - $2 on eBay.
Mellon Collie LP - $200+.

You do the math.