It was not my intention to insoult anyone, everyone has the right to make an opinion and even shout it loud. The point is that opinion might have good or poor background... good or poor quality.Mighty be gieven just because of poor reasons without any bigger ideas. I'm not really bitchy or pissed off, I just can't agree with some kind of bullshit I've read. Check the opinion of Pushkin... this fellw gotta right, he cought the point completely and said exactly what I wanted to say. You might felt dissapointed...right. I think you must rather learn more, feel more about the music generally, try to dig dipper try to rock more. Rock has so many faces, every band has so many faces. All this stuff which Pumpkins have been going through as a band is absloutely amazeing story. They've changed as a band, as people, on the other hand they didn't loose their pumpkin soul. To know about it you should know more about them, more than ROTTEN APPLES,....... one more thing, I was standin' all the time rougly 16 feet from stage with my friends... one of them who is not a great pumpkin fan said after gig... " I didn't know that Corgan is such a cool fellow, and it's amazeing how he's enjoying this whole music, this what he's doing"... to be honest I've seen this as well...I've heard this as well, no matter of the poor quoality of the sound... that was the only one poor thing. Anyway I wish you the best, wish you to find your only one of a kind way of listening to the sense of music,lookin at the music...maybe THROUGH THE EYES OF RUBY.