To the answer the question about what date would mark the 20th anniversary, that would be October 5th. On October 5th, 1988, the Pumpkins played their first show as a four piece (and their first show with Jimmy) at Metro in Chicago. Hope that helps. If my memory serves me correctly, the first show under the name Smashing Pumpkins was July 9, 1988 at Chicago 21 nightclub, but that was just Billy and James. They played one or two dates at the Avalon after that after D'arcy joined.

David