by capitalism i'm referring to the economic system in which we are living that has morphed into supercapitalism or transnational capitalism. naomi klein and others describe this as well. i am of the mindset that we will need to move beyond this kind of system and need to envision newer systems. that will require an examination and critique of the existing system.

since you are familiar with klein and her views, i do refer you to her as my arguments complement them and you may be more open to them.

she uses the term "they" a lot to make her point. and refers to "corporations." you seem to have no problem with that language when she uses it.

as is outlined in "the corporation" - a CANADIAN film - there are a few who seem to be trying. North Carolina's Ray Anderson is a CEO who has "woken up." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Anderson_(entrepreneur)

however, a growing number of people working with the BIG corporations - who are wielding much power in the control of our media, telecommunications, etc. they are doubtful that any transformation will happen there. perhaps from the outside once the greater system implodes, collapses, etc.

i refer you to the articles posted earlier (these include some wilber friends) that suggest alternatives:

http://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?ID=752

"Corporate Futures
by David Korten
Can corporations contribute to positive change in the world? Or are they inevitably a part of the problem? YES! executive editor Sarah van Gelder invited Paul Hawken, a leading advocate of sustainable buisiness, and David Korten, well-known for his call for a "post-corporate" world, to a dialogue on this question."


http://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?ID=434

What To Do When Corporations Rule the World
by David Korten


http://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?ID=533

"Economies For Life
by David Korten

Enron. Accounting fraud. Mad cows. Wal-Mart. Monopoly. Political corruption. WTO. Disintegrating schools. Downsizing. WorldCom. Tax havens. Cancer. Hostile takeovers. Channel One. Harken Energy. Climate change. Corporate welfare. Temp workers. Economic refugees. Arthur Andersen. Hidden partnerships. Billionaires. Money laundering. Citibank. Financial bubbles. Prison crowding. Insider trading. Infomercials. Halliburton. Price gouging. GMOs. Terrorism. Malnutrition. Monsanto. Uninsured workers. Nike. Sweatshops. Maquiladoras. Trade wars. Homelessness.

Welcome to the world of the suicide economy."


many history scholars reflect that we are currently in the midst of a greater "corporate oligarchy." this is what i am referring to in my critique. what's interesting is there is a power relation among corporations and people - an imbalanced one. i'll stand with people struggling for change in numerous ways. (it's like the slaves and the slave master system.) they don't "own" me and i won't defend them. too much is at stake and too many people have and are defending them.

who stands with people? - that's individual and social responsibility. and to hold "THEM" corporations accountable.

strangely, i feel this conversation with you continues to go nowhere. (it feels trapped in back and forth duality. point a, point b. point a. point b. stale mate. no change. death.)

and it smells ... dead fishy or like dead bait.

(yet you bring up naomi klein !!!! *in shock* ever read "shock and awe?")

so perhaps a fixed pattern has been established between us (one says up the other down, one says left the other right) and we should break it, and quit having it and put our energies elsewhere.

that's okay by me. i walk away....and am out of here.

*sighs relief*


comprendez-vous?